another happy ubuntu ultimate user

[Mysteriphys]

just installed it last night, gamer edition, came with americas army woot, now I have to wipe it and do it again, since it mysteriously installed two instances :? (as in two unbuntu ultimate and two (recovery) then get WOW and CSS working on it, oh and FL Studio!

[Quakken]

wait wait wait, you got WoW to work on linux?

What else can this ubuntu ultimate do?

[Luke122]

WoW can run on Ubuntu through Wine emulator. A quick google will explain it better than I can! :D

[Mysteriphys]

you can run pretty much anything on linux now, back when I started with mandriva, just before mandrake switched and went to try to make money off their release, I had css and FL studio working flawlessly, pretty much anything that didn't run off the dot-net microsoft framework was fair game, and I think now it's even gone beyond that, I personally haven't gotten it up and going yet, but it's on the list, kuz as I get ubuntu more unified with my current system I'll be phasing out windoze completely.

[.Maleficus.]

WoW can run on Ubuntu through Wine emulator. A quick google will explain it better than I can! :D
Wine Is Not an Emulator :D.

Also, saying almost anything can be run on Linux is deceiving, because that is certainly not true. While compatibility is sure going up, it's nowhere near to the standards of a regular Windoze user. There are still only a SMALL handful of games that run natively, a handful that work well with Wine, and almost no popular Windows/Mac programs (Photoshop, 3DSM, etc). While there are great alternatives, you still can't run many Windows things on Linux.

[Luke122]

Ok, my bad. BUT.. WoW can be run on Wine.

[Mysteriphys]

actually, depending on your distro, and your experience with Linux, pretty much anythign CAN run on linux... I have a friend who got all his favorite windows native programs running on his linux box, hasn't touched windows since at home (works for godaddy.com mixture of windows and unix servers) he's a programming god though (to me) he decompiled the code and built the dependencies system himself.

edit: just to make it clear, what I said there was, as long as linux has a list of dependancies for the system to run the windows based software off of, and the programming to tell the software to use it, it wILL work in linux, so it's 90% dependancies and 10% programming skills.

[Quakken]

But Games? not a whole lot work as well on cedega as they do in windows.

Gameplay-wise is nearly the same, but graphics wise is a whole different story.

[xRyokenx]

What whole different story? Really good or lame?

[.Maleficus.]

actually, depending on your distro, and your experience with Linux, pretty much anythign CAN run on linux... I have a friend who got all his favorite windows native programs running on his linux box, hasn't touched windows since at home (works for godaddy.com mixture of windows and unix servers) he's a programming god though (to me) he decompiled the code and built the dependencies system himself.

edit: just to make it clear, what I said there was, as long as linux has a list of dependancies for the system to run the windows based software off of, and the programming to tell the software to use it, it wILL work in linux, so it's 90% dependancies and 10% programming skills.
I can pretty confidently say that less than 2% of people are willing to do this. And either way, why go through all the trouble to use a program that takes 3 minutes to install on Windows? Giving up Windows to trouble yourself more with reprogramming a perfectly good piece of software because you'd rather not use Windows ridiculous. If you need the Windows software that much, Christ, just do a dual-boot.

What whole different story? Really good or lame?
3D drivers in Linux aren't the greatest. You're better off gaming in Windows.

[xRyokenx]

If I had to surrender half my life to programming, I was gonna stick with Windows anyway, lol... but Ubuntu should be good for that server I desperately need to set up tomorrow, lol.

[.Maleficus.]

If I had to surrender half my life to programming, I was gonna stick with Windows anyway, lol... but Ubuntu should be good for that server I desperately need to set up tomorrow, lol.
Ubuntu is more than good for setting up a server, and more than good for anyone looking for a friendly Windows alternative. Just don't expect to have all the Windows programs running unless you do some MAJOR coding.

[Airbozo]

I can pretty confidently say that less than 2% of people are willing to do this. And either way, why go through all the trouble to use a program that takes 3 minutes to install on Windows? Giving up Windows to trouble yourself more with reprogramming a perfectly good piece of software because you'd rather not use Windows ridiculous. If you need the Windows software that much, Christ, just do a dual-boot.

3D drivers in Linux aren't the greatest. You're better off gaming in Windows.

I have my windows machine for one purpose; Gaming. 90% gaming 10% other crap, so not quite one purpose...


3D drivers in linux are pretty damn good nowadays. Even though I am an ATI fan, I _always_ recommend nVidia cards for anyone wanting to do serious linux graphics. Just installing the ati drivers would want to make you scream... I have heard that ATI is working on their linux drivers and support though.

[LiTHiUM0XiD3]

ATi is BSing about their linux drivers... as usual.... said they were gunna go all o source for a long time... this is obviously bull****.... and i wish they would get wacked with a large tree limb filled with 9 inch nails..... otherwise known as a baseball bat heh
im goin nvid soon because of this BS.... ati used to rock.... just lame now..

[Mysteriphys]

well the reason I grabbed ubuntu ultimate is, the envy installer, installs nvidia and ati with very little code knowledge required :) I still haven't gotten around to installing css or wow, but should get around to it in the next week... but tbh the biggest reason is resources for my audio program, FL studio, xp takes up so much that it leaves very little for the bigger synths I use, not to meantion some of my high end FX plugins, I'm hoping this is the turn around point for me in that respect, I dual boot xp pro anyhow, just because most of my software is in the xp side anyway.

[Airbozo]

ATi is BSing about their linux drivers... as usual.... said they were gunna go all o source for a long time... this is obviously bull****.... and i wish they would get wacked with a large tree limb filled with 9 inch nails..... otherwise known as a baseball bat heh
im goin nvid soon because of this BS.... ati used to rock.... just lame now..

ATI is still working on open sourcing their drivers. Since they have some proprietary code in the current drivers it is NOT an easy task to replace it. They have been doing a "ground up" rewrite of their code for years and are still working on it. I only know this because I have lunch once a month with a good friend that is doing some of the coding. He is frustrated as well that it is taking so long but is still upbeat about the project. His main frustration is in the fact that the company that "owns" some of the code is resisting ATI's move to open source the linux drivers and have even threatened lawsuits.

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2198235/amd-opens-door-ati-linux

http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/

EDIT: Oh and at least ATI is trying. Nvidia is (as far as I know) not even attempting open source drivers (one of many reasons SGI is using firegl cards in their high end graphics servers).

[Quakken]

I think we're moving towards open source tech more and more. anyone with a brain is using firefox (or some other alternative to IE) and lots of people are using linux. WAY more than it used to be. Having linux drivers from video card manufacturers will be a large step. If we could get game devs to release linux games after that, then everyone will be in Linux heaven. Sure, billions will still use Window$, but having an alternative and competative technology will force Micro$soft to stop churning out lame and DRM protected operating systems, and competition is exactly what ANY market needs to be great.

[XcOM]

linuxhas come a long wa inrecent years, linux needs to get better, otherwise m$ has no incentive to improve there OS.

[Quakken]

Yeah, i'm talking about how it needs to improve to compete. But it's coming along, and it's very free.

[Airbozo]

Linux as a server beats windows hands down when you compare ROI, operational costs AND stability. Even when linux is used as a base desktop system it is at least close. The drawbacks lie in offered software from respected vendors. Face it, until the installation of apps on linux is easy for Joe user it will still not be able to compete. Yum and apt are major improvements but still not ready for Grandma and Grandpa to understand. The segment of the population that just needs a web browser system and word processor would be better off on linux, but no-one seems to be on the soapbox professing this. Put a $300 linux box in walmart and watch people eat it up.

Just trying to get Companies to make the investment to port code to linux is like pulling teeth even when you show them the cost savings and reliability statistics. A few of our customers ARE moving to linux from windows and UNIX legacy systems and are seeing vast improvements in how the hardware is used. One customer was able to lower the cost of hardware because they did not have the memory issues in linux that they do in windows. $50 does not sound like much until you multiply it over 150 systems. We have a custy looking at some of the _really_ small systems for one of their projects and are intending to build it into their product instead of a separate workstation sitting on the desk. They could not do that with windows and still get the same performance.

[SgtM]

If I had to surrender half my life to programming, I was gonna stick with Windows anyway, lol... but Ubuntu should be good for that server I desperately need to set up tomorrow, lol.

Dude, IMO, Fedora 7 is better than Ubuntu server.

[calumc]

The issue of simple installation seems to be partly solved by linux mint (which i am currently running): there is a section on the website where you can download a .mint file for a currently fairly small selection of software and when opened the packages are downloaded and installed. No fuss whatsoever, it even adds shortcuts.
It uses synaptic but it effectively works like a .exe which is ideal for Joe User mentioned above :)

[Mysteriphys]

well if you want to look at it like I do, linux (normally) notifies you of everything thats going on durring an install, and lets you choose what to do, i.e. say you find a program in linux code that you really want, but it shows up as a possible threat, activate the install in verbose mode and watch it install, if anything looks out of place simply use the kill command and you can go back to searching for the right version without hacked code :-P, you can't say that with windows, I mean look at all the p2p software and how it's loaded with tons of RIAA backed spyware. not that I use any of that garbage ^.o <-- attempt at a raised eyebrow. but I've been the main fix-it guy when someone in the family ignores my advice and downloads one and then freaks out when it takes over the computer... (3 hours of registry cleaning later)... anywho, back on topic, for someone like me, the os seems pretty good, there are a few things that could be heavily improved upon, but what else do you expect from free software?