XP vs Vista

[Blebbz]

Which would you choose?

[dgrmkrp]

I have used xp a lot.. at the beginning I had to dual boot with win me, because of the software issues xp had... same goes with vista. So, for the time being, I have to chose xp for myself and recommend others, depending on what they want, either xp - mature os, works 99% of cases, or vista.. :) vista will get better and so will all the stuff related to it :) I hope.. so, next time another similar poll comes up, I hope I'm gonna be voting vista.

[Luke122]

I had to vote Vista, just based on the fact that XP is being phased out, and Vista is starting to shine.

[calumc]

Wheres the linux button on that poll? :p

[Indybird]

Yeah vista is really starting to be a solid OS. Thats what I vote vista. I just can't wait until SP1, then there will be all kinds of performance improvements.

-Indybird

[D1337]

I have to admit I HATED vista 100% when it came out. Slowly its becoming more and more stable and user friendly.

I still find it somewhat confusing compared to xp. but my vote goes for vista.

[xRyokenx]

When SP1 comes out for Vista, then I may look into upgrading, but we shall see.

[Canadian Eh?]

My dad's got a Vista capable Laptop, i told him to switch soon if he wants to play some decent games...he...hates...vista...

[rendermandan]

I would have to vote XP right now. I'm waiting till SP1 comes out, and even then I will wait to see if it really makes any difference. -My computer works fine right now so there is no need to upgrade right away. -In the future yes, but not right now. :)

[BerticusPryme]

RIght now i am dual booting xp and vista ultimate. I really like vista but I cant really game in in as I had memory burn out in it and only have 1 gig now. I get frame rate chug when i trya dn game in it. I game in xp and everything is cool. But my vote has to got with vista

[Luke122]

I should also mention that in Vista, this laptop gets around 1hr of battery life, due to the fact that I have to run it at "maximum performance" to get decent response from it.

In XP, I get almost 4 hrs of battery life! (Maximum power saving)

[Airbozo]

I vote XP. When SP1 comes out for vista I may try again, but like always M$ charges you to be a beta tester. My main issue with vista really is not the stability or driver issue (although it would be nice if all my stuff were to work properly...), no my main issue with vista is the lack of privacy rolled into the OS. There are too many back doors (thanks to our government and business's that believe we are all criminals) in vista and too many ways of monitoring what you use your system for. Couple that with all the anti-piracy measures and you will understand why vista demands so much hardware to run properly. Visuals my ass...

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

[xRyokenx]

I vote XP. When SP1 comes out for vista I may try again, but like always M$ charges you to be a beta tester. My main issue with vista really is not the stability or driver issue (although it would be nice if all my stuff were to work properly...), no my main issue with vista is the lack of privacy rolled into the OS. There are too many back doors (thanks to our government and business's that believe we are all criminals) in vista and too many ways of monitoring what you use your system for. Couple that with all the anti-piracy measures and you will understand why vista demands so much hardware to run properly. Visuals my ass...

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

Yeah, with my paranoia, **** you M$, I'm not dealing with being spied on. All about the big bucks, eh? Whatever, I'll set up my gaming PC as one that doesn't connect to the web except for online stuff and I'll have it dual boot with XP or Linux for surfing the web, or have another PC for that good stuff. Why do they have to know every little thing about each and every one of us? A little over kill if you ask me. I may not like everything our government does, but that doesn't make me a terrorist.

EDIT: Voted XP as I don't want anything that'll degrade stuff that I obviously payed for and do not have any intention of copying and distributing illegally. I don't like being spied on, and I definitely do not want to downgrade my OS even if it involves DX10. Sorry if this seems narrow sighted, but better safe than sorry, that and I have few months to research and all before I possibly do upgrade... we shall see.

[crenn]

Although I use XP Mainly (I'm mostly gaming) but Vista runs fine on my machine. Can't wait til Vista SP1 is released though.

[Gun Down]

I have ran both for awhile, never really got to like Vista didn't run to good on my computer so i went back to Xp and I'm loving it so i have to go with Xp.....

-Gun

[xmastree]

Press release from Microsoft:

"In response to OEM and customer feedback, Microsoft is extending the availability of all Microsoft® Windows® XP products preinstalled on new Direct OEM PCs from January 31, 2008 to June 30, 2008. Additionally, Microsoft will be further extending the availability of Windows XP Starter Edition through June 30, 2010, in 139 emerging markets where the product is currently available, for use in the rapidly growing class of hardware-constrained ultra low cost PCs. Due to the fact that Windows XP Starter Edition is not currently offered in China, Microsoft will continue to offer Windows XP Home Edition through June 30, 2010, for use in ultra low cost PCs. There is no change to the current Windows XP End of Life date for the System Builder Channel, other than the extension of Windows XP Starter Edition (and Windows XP Home Edition in China) for use in this new class of PCs in emerging markets. For all other Windows XP products, the End of Life date for the System Builder Channel remains January 31, 2009. "

So, MS aren't pulling XP in favour of Vista - I wonder why?

[xRyokenx]

Because low end systems, which seem to still be around, like the ~1ghz 256mb RAM kind (which I would expect to be abundant in like India and China and places similar) can't run Vista worth a damn. These older computer systems would be too bogged down with Vista for them to be able to do anything within a reasonable amount of time. That and I highly doubt that M$ wants these countries to write their own marketable OS or use Linux...

[Luke122]

Hmm.. now I want to try and see what it'll take to run Vista on a p3 550.

I imagine that if you turn off all the visual crap, and the UAC, it may be usable. *note to self: test this when you have some free time*

I should mention that I"m running Vista Business on this laptop.. Centrino 1.6, with 768mb ram. It's not uber-fast, and startup time suuuucks, but the environment is very usable, and is plenty quick for daily usage tasks.

[Exley]

I voted vista. I did a clean install when I bought my motherboard and never went back. I really didn't have any problems either.

Also I think you guys are being a little ridiculous with the M$ is spying on me thing. Vista’s activation is the same as XPs, and I haven’t encountered any DRM worse than XP. Plus if you think about it why would Microsoft/The Government/your ISP care what you’re posting on TBCS or e-mailing to your friends. At least thats what i think

EDIT: I saw alot of you mentioning you were going to switch to vista after SP1, I wanted to point out from what i've read vista SP1 isn't going to be anything like XP SP2 ( a whole new OS ) it's just some preformance tweaks and a roll up of all the previous patches ( so you dont have to restart 8 times )

EDIT: EDIT: :p I wanted to clarify my vote is for vista x86, i did encounter some driver problems when i tried x64

[Airbozo]

At one of my customer install sites, all of the computers except the main data server were running windows 98. A stripped down version too. The company we got the POS's from had acquired several thousand licenses for win98 just before they were discontinued. They still sell them too but only with their systems since it runs so well and is stable. The only thing that gets modified (besides trimming out the useless crap) is the TCP-IP stack since the one that came stock with win98 blows...

I expect the same thing to happen with XP.

[Airbozo]

I voted vista. I did a clean install when I bought my motherboard and never went back. I really didn't have any problems either.

Also I think you guys are being a little ridiculous with the M$ is spying on me thing. Vista’s activation is the same as XPs, and I haven’t encountered any DRM worse than XP. Plus if you think about it why would Microsoft/The Government/your ISP care what you’re posting on TBCS or e-mailing to your friends. At least thats what i think

It's not so much that M$ has the ability to spy on your computer activity, but if they want to use my data for developing future products, pay me as a market research analyst. My main beef with the whole big brother issue is that M$ _has_ put back doors into the OS specifically for someone to monitor your activity whether it be an individual company or the government. The whole thing is just waiting to be abused by someone for the gain of money.

Is it really anyones business what movie you watch on your computer or how many times you watch that movie? Or how many legal backup copies you make? No it is the whole "all users are criminals" attitude I mainly have an issue with. Check the EULA, M$ retains the right to modify anything on your computer without your prior approval. This includes disabling a feature that you may be abusing or found a work around for. If they feel your copy of CopyDVD is being used inappropriately they retain the right to make it NOT function on your rented copy of Vista. No matter how much you paid for it...

[Exley]

No it is the whole "all users are criminals" attitude I mainly have an issue with.
I totally understand that and it infuriates me too. If you ever need to get pissed off Google bioshock DRM. MS gives windows away compaired to bioshock


Is it really anyones business what movie you watch on your computer or how many times you watch that movie? Or how many legal backup copies you make?
No it's not but if someone was keeping this information for every windows user wouldn’t you be able to see their servers from space? That’s a lot of information.


Check the EULA, M$ retains the right to modify anything on your computer without your prior approval. This includes disabling a feature that you may be abusing or found a work around for.
I don't have one on hand right now but did actually read it to find out how many activations I could have. I believe that clause relates to online activation where you will no longer be able to use certain features of windows if you do not activate.

btw I like how we can have intellectual debates on this forum without it turning into a flame like other forums

[mrrb]

Seems like you don't really like Vista but you think that voting for it is the thing to do. Vista is slow, takes too much memory, and is undependable. Even Microsoft is getting worried by the slow response to Vista. Experts say there is real reason to be concerned.

Read about it here...

http://urlfreeze.com/urltrack/VistaNews/

Are you concerned? Do you agree with the experts?

My vote is for XP!

MRRB

[The boy 4rm oz]

I use a OEM copy of Vista Home Premium and I think it is much, how should I put this, "neater" than XP. I have had a few problems though, mostly with games. I am using the 64bit version and I find that BF2142 will crash a lot and I have even had the odd crash (once or twice) with BF2, Call of Duty 2 will run but all I see is a grey screen. It is known though that the 32bit versions of Vista have a lot more compatibility with things over the 64bit versions. That all said Vista is easy to use and looks so god damed good.

EDIT: Welcome to TBCS mrrb

[Blebbz]

Wow I forgot I started this thread lol, my 1st ever post too.

At first I absolutley hated Vista. I liked the looks and the Aero theme, but that was it. Recently I set up AOL broadband on a friends laptop (yeah, I know, AOL is bad enough) and it was a real pain. "Would you like to save or run this file..." on every single page opened. It's a decent laptop but quite often it just refuses to carry on. Good old Ctrl + Alt + Delete job and restarting explorer.exe did the trick (about 10 times).

Basically the message of this is: Don't get AOL, and if you already have AOL, don't get vista lol.

Personally however I've got vista ultimate and haven't yet installed it on this computer. I'm waiting to build simplicity first (only God knows how long that will be), and install it on that. If I hate it so much, I have ubuntu disk lying around somewhere (no, I don't hate ubuntu, but I don't think linux supports many games).

[alexanderH]

I HATED vista for the first weekl. Until everything I needed was set-up and configured and those STUPID "security" warnings were disabled. Now I love this beast. Beats the old xp by a mile when it comes to visuals, and well it seems to run plenty nice for me on this decent system of mine :P.

Overall I am happy with my Vista experience thus far.... That is until I have to do a fresh install...

[Xpirate]

I picked XP. Vista just isn't the revolutionary OS that Microsoft said it was going to be. Windows 95 was a drastic change from the old 3.x operating shell. Vista just looks like it evolved from XP. Vista requires a lot more computing power to do the simple tasks that XP can do.

[The boy 4rm oz]

True true, but Vista does it in style lol.

[Blebbz]

Microsoft always seems to bring out products that are too memory-intensive than the average computer. The same thing happened with most of the OSs that microsoft have released, it's just a case of catch-up

[The boy 4rm oz]

According to my G15's LCD display at idle my computer uses about 35-45% of it's 2GB of RAM running Vista, said the same on my old comp running XP and with only 1GB RAM.

[D1337]

Vista puts your hardware through a workout, whats the point of having 4 gigs, when your computer is only using 1.

It pre-caches programs depending on your use of them, obviously its not going to waste all your memory on calc.exe (ms calculator) if you only used it once and spend most of your computer time browsing the internet on firefox.

Vista certainly isnt laptop friendly, since it uses more system resources then is absolutely necessary.


Don't get AOL
Trust me i know, i grew up with aol, hated it from the start and every week i tell my parents to stop wasting money on AOL but they refuse to, since they dont want to lose their email accounts... even though you can access it for FREE from the aol website. Now that aol has basically sold themselves out its even worse. Aol puts out their own ads but block ads originating from websites, constant "aol is not running click here to start it" notifications.
AOL has to be the worst company ever.