Pci thingy? need some help!

[HackSore]

I have an idea for a project that i may undertake, and there is something i want to get for it, but i cant for the life of me think of what its called.
Its basically a card you plug into a pci slot, then plug a pci card into it, but its a right angle, so the pci card ends up running parallel to the motherboard.
Anyone know what im talking about and what these things are called?

Also, does anyone know if you can get them for pci-e and agp cards?

Thanks!

[rendermandan]

Riser card? Try doing a google search. here is one I found. http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.290/.f

[Crazy Buddhist]

Also, does anyone know if you can get them for pci-e and agp cards?

Thanks!

Yes ... as above google search riser card and the type you want. You can get combined multi-slot ones too.

Heres an AGP one (http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=10430)

Here's a whole page of PCI Express ones including 1x -> 16x riser/converters and all variations on that theme. (http://linitx.com/viewcategory.php?catid=165)

You can also get multi-risers with extension cables 1 x AGP + 1 x PCI or 2 x PCI + 1 x PCI-e x16 for example. here's an AGP+PCI one:

http://www2.multithread.co.uk/mtcshop/images/linitx.com/products/PCI___AGP_Riser_Card_main.jpg

:)

[nil8]

Yea, you're talking about a riser card. To old nerds it's called a daughter board.
If you're planning on having more than 2 devices in that riser, I would highly suggest PCI 64-bit instead. 32 bit PCI just doesn't cut the cake nearly as well these days.

As for PCI-E? No clue.
AGP? Not that I've seen.

[AJ@PR]

Ouch.

I was reading this thread, and I go like Riser card? That's a daughter board for sure.

Then I read:

Yea, you're talking about a riser card. To old nerds it's called a daughter board.

LoL!

[Crazy Buddhist]

Ouch.

I was reading this thread, and I go like Riser card? That's a daughter board for sure.

LoL!

I'm an old nerd but call them riser cards .... damn this thread :devious: its giving me an identity crisis.

:)

[HackSore]

Riser cards! thats the one! awesome!

Thanks for all the help, i was googling all sorts of stuff trying to remember what they were called!

And i thought they were the same thing as daughter boards, but i wasnt too sure.

[Indybird]

What I've been looking for is very similar to a riser card. Im looking for something like that but is more like a ribbon cable and would allow you to place the card anywhere.

-Indybird

[AJ@PR]

What I've been looking for is very similar to a riser card. Im looking for something like that but is more like a ribbon cable and would allow you to place the card anywhere.

-Indybird

Ooo! Oooo!
Gimme a minute.

XmasTree provided this link (http://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.asp?SKU=977-0031) on my workthread... it's a PCMCIA extension, but you might find something in that company's website.
I did a quick look-over, but didn't find it.

Good luck! :)

[Crazy Buddhist]

What I've been looking for is very similar to a riser card. Im looking for something like that but is more like a ribbon cable and would allow you to place the card anywhere.

-Indybird

I think this may be the mother of all examples of what you seek:

2 x PCI + 1 x PCI Express X16 Riser with 7cm Flexi Cable (http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=10899)

http://www2.multithread.co.uk/mtcshop/images/linitx.com/products/2_x_PCI___1_x_PCI_Express_Riser_Card_main.jpg

Or if it's just for your PCI-E Graphics adapter this one (http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=10881) has an 11cm flexi cable (EDIT after a bit more digging 11cms is the longest I can find):

http://www2.multithread.co.uk/mtcshop/images/linitx.com/products/PCI_Express_Flexi_Riser_Card_-_11cm_Cable_main.jpg

:)

[Airbozo]

I am an old nerd and never called a riser card a daughter board. A daughter board is something that plugs into a motherboard (or other card) and provides some circuitry for another function (like modifying an onboard disk controller for HW raid operation).

Sheesh, if your going to call me old at least get it right... :D ;) :eek:

[AJ@PR]

I am an old nerd and never called a riser card a daughter board. A daughter board is something that plugs into a motherboard (or other card) and provides some circuitry for another function (like modifying an onboard disk controller for HW raid operation).

Sheesh, if your going to call me old at least get it right... :D ;) :eek:

C'mon AB... that's not fair...

We all know you worked on ENIAC.

:p:p

[xRyokenx]

I could almost use to pick one of those suckers up and mod something to where the heatsink is on top of the card and not the bottom when I get a new case... like reverse it all somehow... hmm... *thinks for a while and realizes he's slacking on his paper, which is due in an hour and fifteen minutes... 0_0

[TheGeneral]

Anyone know of a AGP to PCI-E? That utilizes -ALL- of the pins? That pci-e 1x to 16x is an example of something that will not work.

[Crazy Buddhist]

Anyone know of a AGP to PCI-E? That utilizes -ALL- of the pins? That pci-e 1x to 16x is an example of something that will not work.

You want to run a PCI-E card in an AGP slot or an AGP card in a PCI-E slot ??. I think you may find both available. Here is one for runnning AGP in a PCI-E slot:

http://www.aoaforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12837


From techPowerUp (http://www.techpowerup.com/?3272):

"The converter is only compatible with the following AGP Video cards from NVIDIA: MX4000, FX5200, FX5700, FX5700LE, GeForce 6800, GeForce 6200.

Since the card uses a bridge chip, performance is degraded a bit. In most cases not much, but sometimes up to 10%."

EDIT For IndyBird .... here's a page (click image below) with a zillion different converters .... and they have PCI-Express cable extenders up to 15" long :)

http://www.adexelec.com/pe-flex16.jpg (http://www.adexelec.com/pciexp.htm#PEXP4-SX-4/1)

[xRyokenx]

There's an idea... mount the video card on the side panel so that the heatsink is on the outside for better cooling... that'd be interesting. Hmm...

[TheGeneral]

You want to run a PCI-E card in an AGP slot or an AGP card in a PCI-E slot ??. I think you may find both available. Here is one for runnning AGP in a PCI-E slot:

http://www.aoaforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12837


From techPowerUp (http://www.techpowerup.com/?3272):

"The converter is only compatible with the following AGP Video cards from NVIDIA: MX4000, FX5200, FX5700, FX5700LE, GeForce 6800, GeForce 6200.

Since the card uses a bridge chip, performance is degraded a bit. In most cases not much, but sometimes up to 10%."
"AGP to PCI-E".
run a PCI-E in an AGP slot.
No luck finding such so far lol.

[Crazy Buddhist]

"AGP to PCI-E".
run a PCI-E in an AGP slot.
No luck finding such so far lol.

I think I've seen AGP versions of high end PCI-E cards with interface chips to convert to AGP (i.e foot on the brakes). So a converter will be active circuitry. If you find something it will not be cheaper than buying a new mobo and proc. If your board is old enough to have only AGP could it be upgrade time?. AGP runs at PCI-E x8 so your buying a horse and cutting off two of it's legs in any case.

:)

[Gen.Omega]

I think I've seen AGP versions of high end PCI-E cards with interface chips to convert to AGP (i.e foot on the brakes). So a converter will be active circuitry. If you find something it will not be cheaper than buying a new mobo and proc. If your board is old enough to have only AGP could it be upgrade time?. AGP runs at PCI-E x8 so your buying a horse and cutting off two of it's legs in any case.

:)

Though my 2003 still beats other new PCs lol. Especially in the lack of lag and low latency parts which I find funny. Just be nice to run a PCI-E in it so I can play my games on full detail, I highly doubt the price of such a part (conversion) would b the same or higher than a motherboard and processor, thats a bit exaggerated in my opinion, since the others are quite cheap.
I'm getting a new motherboard in December to go with the new Antec 900 case. Then its the CPU I need and thats it. I have 2 different 7300 GS' waiting for me.

[Crazy Buddhist]

I highly doubt the price of such a part (conversion) would b the same or higher than a motherboard and processor, thats a bit exaggerated in my opinion, since the others are quite cheap.
I'm getting a new motherboard in December to go with the new Antec 900 case. Then its the CPU I need and thats it. I have 2 different 7300 GS' waiting for me.

The one up there for running pcie in agp was about $200 or $300 i think i saw. So not really exagerated if that is what they go for now.

Best wishes with the new build.

:)

[Crazy Buddhist]

There's an idea... mount the video card on the side panel so that the heatsink is on the outside for better cooling... that'd be interesting. Hmm...

make a cube of plexi and mount everything on the outside light the inside of the cube with cold cathode and then enclose the lot in another plexi cube with 4 25cm fans on each end.

it's a thought :)

[Gen.Omega]

The one up there for running pcie in agp was about $200 or $300 i think i saw. So not really exagerated if that is what they go for now.

Best wishes with the new build.

:)

WOW wth lol. I need to look at that link again o_O

Anyway, yeah, rather spend that $200-$300 on a really, nice VGA card and if anythings left, my internal cooling system.

[zamolxees]

Hey,

This is my first time posting here.
I want to do a mod (actually build a case from scratch) and in order to do it the way I want I need a Pci and a PCI express extender. I'll attach a sketch to show you how I want it.

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/153/e/6/no_title_by_zamolxe-d3hucr0.jpg

I'm in the design and info gathering stage now and I need some help. Reading through forums here I think I found what I was looking for concerning the PCI express riser (extension, daughter board etc.): http://www.orbitmicro.com/global/arc1-127r-x16-p-13382.html

The questions:
1. Are these safe? I read somewhere something about burning and fried stuff and I really don't want that in my new (and expensive for me) rig. I'm looking for confirmation that a 560 Ti or better works. How about interferences? are there any?
2. I need the card to be facing away from the motherboard so that the fans take air directly from outside the case. Is the one in the link the right one?
3. are there any other e-tailers that are european based that sell this stuff? I've looked around and I either found risers that make the fans face the motherboard so no proper cooling, or they sell only wholesale.

And another question that is not related to risers.
Does the motherboard need grounding? I mean traditional cases are made of metal and they are connected to the electronics and I suppose the PSU and through that to grounding. I ask because I want to build mine from acrylic (opaque, nothing flashy) and I'm concerned about grounding and static electricity.

Thank you for reading through all this, sorry could not make it more condensed.

[NightrainSrt4]

Are you actually going to be saving any space by using the riser? According to the drawing, the video card is going to be two slots above the board, with another two slots worth of space taken up by the card itself. Four slots height has to be pretty close to just having the cards plug in directly, no?

[zamolxees]

Good question. However as I want to make the case as slim as I can, the left over centimetres will help. Also, the case will be pretty crammed so I'd want to have a direct fresh air source for the video card.

[blueonblack]

Dude, this is some powerful thread necromancy for a newcomer. Let the dead lie, as they say, and start a new thread.

And welcome to TBCS!

[mDust]

The questions:
1. Are these safe? I read somewhere something about burning and fried stuff and I really don't want that in my new (and expensive for me) rig. I'm looking for confirmation that a 560 Ti or better works. How about interferences? are there any?
2. I need the card to be facing away from the motherboard so that the fans take air directly from outside the case. Is the one in the link the right one?
3. are there any other e-tailers that are european based that sell this stuff? I've looked around and I either found risers that make the fans face the motherboard so no proper cooling, or they sell only wholesale.

And another question that is not related to risers.
Does the motherboard need grounding? I mean traditional cases are made of metal and they are connected to the electronics and I suppose the PSU and through that to grounding. I ask because I want to build mine from acrylic (opaque, nothing flashy) and I'm concerned about grounding and static electricity.

Thank you for reading through all this, sorry could not make it more condensed.

Welcome to TBCS.

1) They are safe and pose no threat to you or your hardware. There is technically a performance hit as the electrons have to travel farther...it's measurable but not perceptible.
2) You want a ribbon, not a card. You can flex the ribbon up, down or all the way around.
3) I'm sure they are sold all over the world. Just search for 'pci e ribbon' at your favorite e-tailer.

In the olden days, motherboards probably did need to be grounded. They are grounded through the PSU nowadays. You don't need to screw your motherboard into metal...you can use any material you desire provided you aren't case-modding a Van de Graaf generator.;)

[zamolxees]

Dude, this is some powerful thread necromancy for a newcomer. Let the dead lie, as they say, and start a new thread.

And welcome to TBCS!

Haha thanks dood, was trying not to step on any moderator's toes and did my searching before :D now I'm confused :)


Welcome to TBCS.

1) They are safe and pose no threat to you or your hardware. There is technically a performance hit as the electrons have to travel farther...it's measurable but not perceptible.
2) You want a ribbon, not a card. You can flex the ribbon up, down or all the way around.
3) I'm sure they are sold all over the world. Just search for 'pci e ribbon' at your favorite e-tailer.

In the olden days, motherboards probably did need to be grounded. They are grounded through the PSU nowadays. You don't need to screw your motherboard into metal...you can use any material you desire provided you aren't case-modding a Van de Graaf generator.;)

Good to know stuff, thank you.
I also figured that ribbon is the way to go after writing the post. However, I do need a supplier closer to home, as the price of a ribbon "riser" is quadrupled by sending fees.

[slaveofconvention]

The other problem you may have to contend with - if you lay the cards over that far, they may get in the way of your CPU cooler....

[SXRguyinMA]

another option, that board has onboard sound and you can get a low profile video card

[AmEv]

Second that. Unless you're going to have professional-grade audio, there is little to no difference between onboard and PCI audio.

Unless you got a tube amp board :P

[jelina]

Its basically a card you plug into a pci slot, then plug a pci card into it, but its a right angle, so the pci card ends up running parallel to the motherboard. What I've been looking for is very similar to a riser card. Im looking for something like that but is more like a ribbon cable and would allow you to place the card anywhere.