Zombie Escape Plan - Seriously.

[Luke122]

How many people here like Zombie movies? (*raises hand*)

OK, how many people believe that something like that *COULD* actually happen? (*raises hand again*)

I know that you may laugh at this, and call me paranoid, or stupid, or whatever.. I've been called worse. To be honest with you, everytime I watch a zombie movie, I can't help but think, "Man, these people are stupid."

Having never been in that sort of situation, I can't say exactly what sort of mental/emotional toll you would face, and maybe people truly would act that way, but I tell you, I have a plan.

First of all, you dont need to reload knives and clubs. Sure, you have to get closer to the zombies to use them, but no bullets means no "CLICK" at a bad time. Step in, swing hard, fall back. No problems!

Second, AIM FOR THE HEAD. Seems pretty straight forward, but if you knock the head off, they are pretty well finished. Hitting them in the chest... good plan. They dont breathe, dont feel pain, and are already dead... duh.

Next, wear protective clothing. Stomping around in a miniskirt and tank top might look good (if you are a woman), but it doesnt offer much protection against a foe who can infect you by scratching you. Maybe you should be wearing jeans, gloves, a leather coat, etc. And not something baggy.. gives them less to grab onto.

[Bucko]

If Zombies come, I'll just grab my BFG9000 and that'll sort them out.

[Luke122]

Have you got a weapon in the same room as you, all the time? No? Why the hell not?

As Matthew said today, even things around you that aren't explicitly weapons that can be used in self defense are a good idea. I once saw a guy in a movie fill a pillow case with cans of soda. He then beat the crap out of 3 people with it. (self defense of course)

How about the escape plan? The title of the thread for good reason... if you are overrun with zombies (wherever you are), have you got a plan to get to safety? How about your loved ones? Can you get them to safety too?

I'm proud (or am I?) to say that I've got this baby figured out. I have a spare set of keys to my vehicle at each exit to my home, plus I carry an emergency key in my wallet at all times. I also have a machete collection stashed in random spots throughout my home (safe from childrens reach, dont worry) that can be retrieved quickly in case of emergency.

2 cell phones (one with 2 way capability), full first aid and emergency survival kit in the vehicle at all times including extra gloves and boots and a spare coat, wind-up LED flashlights (no dead batteries or burnt out bulbs for me!) in a few places, etc.

I've even got the escape route figured out.

[Luke122]

Now in all honesty, I dont really see this sort of thing happening, but who knows. Worst case scenario is some sort of collapse of civilization but these supplies and preparations will easily translate to that situation.

I guess the point that I'm really trying to make here is that we all need a certain amount of security in our lives to make us feel safe and comfortable, even if it is from threats that dont (or shouldnt) exist.

If that means being prepared for zombies, so be it. If it means being prepared against home invasion or robbery, so be it. Calling someone paranoid or delusional may not seem like a big deal, but it can be taken as a serious attack on that persons beliefs and lifestyle, so consider that when someone shares their feelings and thoughts about their situation. :)

[Luke122]

If Zombies come, I'll just grab my BFG9000 and that'll sort them out.

Ah, but what if you run out of plasma packs for it? The chainsaw also runs on gas, so there's the possibility of expending that also. ;)

Dont forget that there's not much chance of driving home from Mars either. :D

[Zephik]

Well, I have a slightly different plan in the case where killer, man eating zombies become more than science fiction.

Suicide. (in my case, probably "death by doughnuts". If I get to choose how I die, then I choose dieing by eating my favorite food on this planet lol)

I'll go to hell? Nope, if zombies became non-fiction, then that means there is no god. Last I checked, holy script said something about god protecting us from "those" kind of evils. (whole different story between "killer man eating" and just "reanimated".)

Life is worth living? Who the hell would want to live in a world full of LIVING DEAD THINGS THAT TRY AND KILL YOU? AND EAT YOU WHILE YOUR ALIVE??

Missing out on a chance to actually live your favorite movies and/or video games? Okay, well thats ONE reason to stick around. But remember, somebody ALWAYS dies in those movies. That'll probably be me, so I'm out. lol

Luke, I think we might be the two biggest nerds alive to be actually discussing this. lol *high fives*

[Luke122]

I would only kill myself if I got infected, and posed a threat to others.

Otherwise, I'd be waaayyy too happy fighting them, and trying to keep others alive. :) I guess thats just one more reason to get back into martial arts, and get my ass on a treadmill. :D

[Zephik]

I would only kill myself if I got infected, and posed a threat to others.

You just finished watching 28 weeks later didn't you? lol

[Bucko]

Actually, it sounds far more fun to be a people eating Zombie.
Rather than escape, I'll choose to become one, then become the Zombie leader and I'll take over the world! Mwahahahahaha!

[Ironcat]

Let's face it, between the Kyoto Treaty, stem cells, lead paint on Chinese toys, and the high prices of milk, zombies are right around the corner... so I have stocked my attic for just such an eventuality.

You're doing a couple of things wrong but since I don't want to be alone after I kill all the zombies, I will share some of my survival tips.

1. Okay, instead of a club or a spear, or even a sword, you want a nice long crowbar. You can bash heads, or break bones ( muscles alone will not lift a zombie arm, they need the bones inside just like you and I ). You can also use it as a tool to break into grocery stores and gun shops. In a pinch you can use it to wedge a door shut while you sleep at night.

2. Shotguns are the key. A well placed slug will remove even the most determined zombie brain from it's head, and a poorly placed shot will remove arms, legs, etc, thus making your escape easier.

[Luke122]

I agree with both points; but find that the amount of weight a crowbar would present as a weapon makes it a bit impractical. You could use it if you had to, but a nice sharp blade will be lighter, and require far less power to swing for extended periods, which you might have to do.

The shotgun would definitely be my gun of choice also, but again, considering ammo limitations and the possibility of running out at a bad time, I'd prefer to use it sparingly and rely on the melee weapons whenever possible.

28 Days/Weeks later: Awesome movies, not my favorites, but good. The thing is that they arent really zombies, as zombies are walking dead. The infected are actually still alive, as shown by the fact that they eventually starved to death.

In the Romero movies, the zombies were literally falling apart as they walked sometimes, because even though they were completely decomposing, they were still animated. There are even scenes were a decapitated head was laying on the ground, blinking and moving it's mouth etc.

[Luke122]

Actually, it sounds far more fun to be a people eating Zombie.
Rather than escape, I'll choose to become one, then become the Zombie leader and I'll take over the world! Mwahahahahaha!

Check out an Xbox game called "Stubbs the Zombie". Be the zombie, eat brains, control a zombie army, profit. :D

[dgrmkrp]

Ok.. this is my only and worst nightmare.. except the daily waking up.. that doesn't count, as I'm not sleeping.
You make it look funny though, so thanks :)

My spin on this: I just saw resident evil 3.. errm.. I'm not sure if I would continue living in that world, but I would try to go out with bang.. can you say nukes? Too bad I don't have access to any..
Well, I have all living dead movies, resident evil, evil dead and even stupid stuff like brain dead.. They all scare me because they make me wonder what if.. so I guess I really can't find a true way out of this situation.. There is no other way out of this but death.. The entire planet is a hellish cemetery, and in time, I don't see any hope for us, the way we are now... .

[Luke122]

Check out Peter Jackson's "Dead Alive" for possibly the goriest zombie film ever. The movie has some humor in it too, but it's mostly *groans*. :D

[Scotty]

Id do a Shaun of the Dead, run into the lounge and throw all their vinyl as weapons :P

[Luke122]

Haha.. that movie was great. :D I love the part where they push through the zombies, groaning and stumbling to blend in.

[b4i7]

you know....me and some friends had a discussion aboutthis subject one night...its an interesting topic

[Wasabisam]

Yes, I have a plain, now :P.

Firstly get bitten or however to turn into a zombie, Then be a spy, get people to pay me and ill tell them when the zombies are comming. Then with all the money find a cure to the zombie thing, and sell it for $300,000 a pop. Then when im the richest man, ill get the zombie gene thing, and make my own army of Super Zombies. Then nobody will mess with me.

Sam.

[computergeek19]

I'll just travel to Mexico, load up with weapons, ammo, food, and gas then just go to live with some relatives which they live miles from nowhere (only 1 house, the rest is cactus and small trees).

[calumc]

Has anyone seen Planet Terror (the first half of grindhouse)?

I am going to learn from that and ride into battle on a mini-moto!! :p

[XcOM]

i always have had a plan, got a nice selection of 2x4 sitting in the toilet and shed ready for such an event, plus i have various items laying about that could be used in such an event needed to defend onself

[Omega]

Battle Rifle. If you run out of ammo -- most battle rifles are long enough to be used as clubs. Assault Rifles and Assault Carbines are okay too. Stuff like G3's, AK47's, etc. Run out of bullets? Hit them with the stock. Reload later.

Definately makes sense about the tight clothing. Leather, thick denim, etc. Military-grade Nylon Ripstop, Flak Jackets, etc are also good ideas. Protective. Strong. Awesome.

As far as melee weapons go, something with some length for more force. Knives are a no. Machetes, Bastard Swords, etc. Good lengthed swords, polearms maybe, halberds, etc. War hammers might also be a feasable option.

A small sidearm might also be a good idea. Something in a respectable caliber -- .45ACP would be a good idea. M1911's are good guns, too.

Another possibly good idea would be a collapsable shovel -- both as a weapon and a tool. Need to bury something? No problem! Need to lop a head off? Right here!

[Luke122]

Well, I maintain that if I had a gun, I would use it for hunting food, not for killing zombies. :) Or at least I wouldnt depend on it as my only weapon... see that mistake waaaay too many times in the movies.

[Ironcat]

Check out Peter Jackson's "Dead Alive" for possibly the goriest zombie film ever. The movie has some humor in it too, but it's mostly *groans*.

If you pay careful attention in the Jack Black version of King Kong, in the hold of the cargo ship is a crate labeled "Sumatran Monkey rat"

[simon275]

I would drive flat out in my car to a nearby gun shop arm up. The go to the supermarket get supplies and sail to some remote island on my parents sailing boat. Also I might rescue some attractive members of the opposite sex along the way.

[Quakken]

I think the problem you guys are trying to solve here is that you guys are using real weapons. By the time zombies are made, the HL2 grav gun will be totally real.

So I would have a grav gun and just punt things at the zombies. Like explosive barrels. Totally explosive barrels.

And just staying in one place? why not just use your car as a weapon! You would have to be resourceful, and you would have to be not stupid. Zombies grabs you? I would freakin punch him in the face. I would punch that dead guy in the face.

And that reminds me, you would want some totally awesome gloves, like metal with spikes on it, and then you could wield your +40 strength "warhammer" to knock those guys's blocks off. If I were to die in a zombie thing, then I would die kickin' ass and chewing gum. Then, after I was out of gum, i would just start kickin' ass.

What about sleep? how about making a big helium balloon that you could hover over those zombies with? That would be totally awesome. The surviving human race goes to a desert island (or maybe like australia... you never see zombies in australia) in the goodyear blimp.

Then I become the king or something BA like that. King of australia while the rest of the world starves of zombification, and they start having to eat themselves rather than the ever tasty humans.

And by the way, http://www.gearsandwidgets.com/external/wherethisthreadgoing.jpg

[computergeek19]

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LMAO, where do you get those types of pics?

[Vertigo]

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/4125B4ZVXHL._AA240_.jpg

http://www.randomhouse.com/crown/zombiesurvivalguide/


Great read, the follow up World War Z is next on my agenda. Oh and here's a fun little quiz.
http://www.justsayhi.com/bb/zombie

I actually wrote a research paper on the Zombie, I'm an English and Folklore major. It's a pretty interesting topic.

[Luke122]

Ah yes, the survival guide... I've been dropping hints about that to my wife for a Christmas present. :D

[simon275]

What about sleep? how about making a big helium balloon that you could hover over those zombies with? That would be totally awesome. The surviving human race goes to a desert island (or maybe like australia... you never see zombies in australia) in the goodyear blimp.



Yeah I guess if Australia stopped planes and boats coming here we could keep the zombies out. Australia is self sufficient in food we would have to go easy on the oil though. I have a few spare bedrooms for any TBCS refugees.




Then I become the king or something BA like that. King of australia while the rest of the world starves of zombification, and they start having to eat themselves rather than the ever tasty humans.



Get lost. We might let you in if we are feeling generous. ;)

[Omega]

Aus probably would be a good idea. Only let people who we KNOW won't contaminate go there though. From there, nuke major urban centers, build a military, and clear out the remaining zombies. Then there'd be the task of dealing with the corpses.

Hrm.


We also have to take into consideration point insertion -- if it's an island we can isolate it. If it's the American or European mainland... that might be an issue.


Survival WILL be key. For firearms, getting ones that have easily accessable ammo is a MUST. Raiding gun stores and military surplus stores will probably also be essential for survival. One for weapons, the other for gear. Obviously. Assuming you stock up properly -- maybe 150lbs of gear or so -- you should have enough food and ammo for quite a while. I would leave a major urban area and go out to the middle of nowhere (obviously near a town, however. For supplies).

I also think finding other noninfected humans and banding together would be vital. Sure, at first it'll be every man for himself (maybe with a few exceptions) and also the strong will prevail, but there's no way humankind will survive if we don't coordinate in the case of a zombie apocalypse.

Perhaps after banding together the groups of people could raid/move to a military base (assuming the personnel are dead/willing to help). There should be plenty of ammo, food, transports, etc. On a network of military bases across the world they probably could get a rather large group of people to congregate.

Hrm.

[Luke122]

Omega... killer idea. :D Mind if I write a book based on that idea?

[Luke122]

And by the way,
LMAO, where do you get those types of pics?

Here and there...
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p176/lukifer122/bawls.jpg

[Omega]

Omega... killer idea. :D Mind if I write a book based on that idea?

Go for it.

[Vertigo]

There's a lot to consider with zombies, first as said earlier. Simpler weapons are the most effective over time. Also, silence. Rattling off with a chain gun might boost morale ... until every zombie in ear shot converges on you and you run out of bullets.

There's also another important aspect of zombies to consider, they do not tire. We do. Consider this always when confronting the living dead. Do not attempt to fight a battle of stamina with these things, for they will win out...

Defense should always be of the highest priority. Consider your stronghold with care, zombies are not known to be the cleverest of creatures, infact they can't even handle a simple door nob or light switch. But they will not EVER give up. They will continue to batter at a door and moan until they rot entirely to pieces. With enough bodies, ie weight a door can be caved in by a number of zombies. This principle applies to larger fortifications such as fences, so be prepared. Though they may not be able to climb, sheer numbers could undo your defenses.

And while we're on the subject of defensibility and the living dead, we must not forget the human element. In the event of a catastrophic zombie outbreak there will surely be survivors sparse though their population may be. And of those, will surely arise some number of opportunists. Imagine Mad Max level carnage, but add the living dead on the horizon and you're likely not far off. Fuel resources, food, women and other necessities will drive these brigands to desperation and pillaging wherever capable.

[nil8]

I will second, third, and fourth the zombie survival guide. Really, really dynamite stuff in there.

Shotguns aren't nearly as practical as semi-auto rifles.
Once you run out of slugs, all you have left is balled shot, which, while extremely effective against living targets is damn near worthless against undead.

I would carry either a crowbar or a light wood axe. Both have enough blunt damage to break a skull and both have an edge that allows for entry into the skull easier than a pipe or some dull blunt instrument.
And yes, I know how tiring it is to swing. Why do you think I chop cords and cords of winter by hand every year with an 8lb maul? For fun? For fuel? No! It's practice for the zombies! ;)

A lot of survival shouldn't be focused solely on combat. A lot of it is adjusting to your surroundings, finding food, making shelter, making medicine. Learning to live without modern comfort or convenience for a long, long time. It's much more boring to talk or think about, but those logistics have a tendency to make you live long enough to repopulate the planet and pass down vital information about how to survive to others.

[Luke122]

I was thinking about this again this morning, and have decided that my town would make a decent outpost, and since it's close enough to 2 major cities we have access to loads of supplies.

[Airbozo]

You guys crack me up....


Bored much?

[Luke122]

Nah, not bored. ;)

I've decided this is as good a time as any to start my writing again.

Here we go, I'll be posting to this blog daily as a work of fiction from two perspectives, but telling the same story. (http://survivor122.blogspot.com/)

Be sure to start with the explanation!

Feedback is appreciated, thanks to anyone who takes the time to read.

[Durrthock]

Theres a book about it. I hate that kind of trash. Zombie escape plan my foot the guys like " you don't have to reload a sword" .................................................. .................................................. ............................................

[Dilphat]

gosh i missed out on this from playing too much halo! well as for me...ME and my family(parental units) have 2 trucks and a sequoia, all with front bar mask things. yea!! Mob deep to the gas station, run over as many zombies as possible. And pick up non infected TBCS people, friends(my friends have a nice collection of firearms), and since it's also in Delano, Ima go raid the farms hot wire there tractors and go have some fun :D ! woohoo! and knowing my town there are people with chemicals maybe some explosive material in their household *wink wink* i know i have a fair amount of m80's stashed somewhere. make some molotov with the bottles of alcohol my dad has. As if we can't get any more weapons we still have baseball bats, machete's, knives(lots and lots), swords, (and my favorite item) a propane powered torch(it is fun to use it on bbq grills to start it). I think my family is ready for such an attack.

[crenn]

I'm ready. I have the most effective weapon known to man.



Political bulls***.

[Vertigo]

I was thinking about this again this morning, and have decided that my town would make a decent outpost, and since it's close enough to 2 major cities we have access to loads of supplies.

Major Cities = big no no in a zombie outbreak ... more people = more zombies. You want seclusion, as secluded as possible.

[Ironcat]

The surviving human race goes to a desert island (or maybe like australia... you never see zombies in australia
I beg to differ. Link (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0339840/)



Mob deep to the gas station, run over as many zombies as possible.
Bad idea. Unless you know exactly what is causing the zombies, you don't want all the contaminated blood and guts getting all over your truck where you could possibly touch it later, spraying up into your ventilation system, etc...


Shotguns aren't nearly as practical as semi-auto rifles.
Once you run out of slugs, all you have left is balled shot, which, while extremely effective against living targets is damn near worthless against undead
1. A very important part of using a firearm is having adequate supplies of ammuntion. Semi-Auto rifles are nice but unless you live in near a National Guard armory, you're going to run out of bullets... Shotguns (and likewise 22s, and 30-06s) will have tons of ammo available most anywhere thanks to the hunters and farmers of the world. Running to the hills? No problem, all the farmhouses whose ocupants were eaten will have shotguns.
2. Shot = worthless? You've obviously never used a shotgun for hunting. 00 can go completely through a car door at 10 yards, and would handily dispose of any undead milkmen creeping up on you at dawn. Even "3 Buck" is sending out 18-20 quarter inch wide pellets. that's enough to remove an arm, and would easily knock out any wandering corpses.



my town would make a decent outpost, and since it's close enough to 2 major cities we have access to loads of supplies.
Wrong, wrong, wrong... That kind of thinking will get you dead. Here's why.
1. Everyone and their brother is going to be thinking the same thing, that your little town would be close enough to hit and run, then kick back during the inbetweens. This means you have scavengers and predators of the human variety swarming your area.
2. All the zombies from those little towns are going to spread out looking for food. Sure, most will stay near the familiar city, but some will head out searching, if it's close enough for you to get there, you're close enough for them to get you.

You want to hit the towns once, get everything you can to last for as long as you can, and then get out of dodge. Live off the land in the middle of Yosemite if you have to but don't go back to a population center until you have to.

Someone else mentioned clothing. Motorcycle racing leathers are good here. Warm, waterproof, relatively easy to move around in, and if they can protect you from asphalt at 100mph, they can protect you from rotten zombie teeth, you might get a bruise from the crushing force but that's it.

[Gen.Omega]

AWESOME.
My Plan:

Grab our weapons and vehicles,
Well. Seeing as I'm in a town and I can drive to any city. I'd gather the living. Raid the nearby cities for supplies all using preferably trucks ("Zombie Tanks", as they can run over and squish those nasty zombies), gather sandbags, bags of concrete, food, guns, munition, swords, knives, bows+arrows (oh yeah, they help, no one ever thinks of raiding a bow+arrow store, UNTIL NOW, copy my idea w/e.), etc.

Come back, find an open place or build this new bunker between existing buildings. Sandbags and concrete pillboxes on the outside, wall. 2nd wall even higher. 3rd wall higher than that (sieges are awesome). Main building inside with 1-6 feet thick concrete walls w/the "reebar" or whatever its called. Mount machineguns on the top. Make custom weapons, mines. Get a survivo thats hopefully some sort of mechanical/electrical engineer start making rechargeable melee death bots (or go fine one).

Raid a radio station, make that a communication outpost.

Find a farm, build another concrete wall around that. You need food afterall.

Find a gas station closeby to the farm, build a concrete wall around that.

Build a Headquarters and base. Raid the military bases/armories if no one is present. Take everything. Return to the base. Expand. Build more farms, houses, farms, houses. lol.

Take solar panels, find someone from PG&E or whatever power company to make a solar grid and set it up right. you need power for this next part.

go to another radio station, take everything. If theres a radio technician, take him too.
Return to base. Setup a communication grid, start broadcasting a looped message, change it every week (or few days preferably, maybe everyday so they know your alive for any listeners)

Begin mass expansions...

I could go on.

I will, but not now. I'll edit later.

THIS IS FUN.

[nil8]

1. A very important part of using a firearm is having adequate supplies of ammuntion. Semi-Auto rifles are nice but unless you live in near a National Guard armory, you're going to run out of bullets... Shotguns (and likewise 22s, and 30-06s) will have tons of ammo available most anywhere thanks to the hunters and farmers of the world. Running to the hills? No problem, all the farmhouses whose ocupants were eaten will have shotguns.
2. Shot = worthless? You've obviously never used a shotgun for hunting. 00 can go completely through a car door at 10 yards, and would handily dispose of any undead milkmen creeping up on you at dawn. Even "3 Buck" is sending out 18-20 quarter inch wide pellets. that's enough to remove an arm, and would easily knock out any wandering corpses.


I agree, that's why if you're using some special, stockpile.
I never said that a 30-06 or .22LR wouldn't be effective. A magazine fed 22 will be cheap, easy to obtain, you can carry scores of ammo for it, increased ammo capacity and it's not nearly as loud as bigger rifles, thus attracting less zombies due to noise.
Not to mention that many cleaning kits for 22's are easy to find, light, and easy to break down, plus they don't weigh much if you're hoofing it.

Rifles are more effective if you know how to place your shot. Shot spreads, damn the penetrating power. If you miss the brain, you just wasted your rounds. It's just another variable that allows for problems.
And yes, I do know about shotguns. I keep a mix between 3" 00 shot magnum and normal quail loads to get the utter damage of the buck and the absolute "can't miss within 30 feet" of the bird shot in my 19" Savage semi auto. For most of my childhood I hunted small game with either a 410 breech loader or a 20 gauge coach gun. And now I refuse to kill squirrels. I like them too much.

And around here, most of the shotgun ammo I've seen isn't slugs or buck, it's birdshot, which outside of close range against a zombie is absolutely useless.

In a group, having someone with a shotgun for human targets, close range and easy to find ammo is vital. If it's just you, I would discard it for something else. Slugs are heavy to lug, even if they are absolutely devastating.

Handguns are something no one has mentioned. They're light, and portable. Accuracy over range is not the best, and ammo can be hard to find, unless stockpiled. Don't really even need something as big as a .45ACP. A 9mm should crack the skull and scramble just about any brain, providing you can hit the head properly.

Man, this is making me want to hit the range really bad.

[Luke122]

Major Cities = big no no in a zombie outbreak ... more people = more zombies. You want seclusion, as secluded as possible.

We are 45km from Red Deer, and 80km from Calgary. Yes, tha's within driving distance, but stumbling distance? Maybe, but being flat prairie here, we'd see them coming. :D

Either way, I do agree with the possibility of "raiding parties", but since this is the heart of redneck country Alberta, it's very unlikely that anyone from the city would have the balls to come out here looking for trouble. Even if they did, I doubt they would last very long. If they were smart, they'd just come out here to live with us.

The reason I mentioned being close to the major cities as being a good thing, is for the people who manage to escape the cities. Also, the possibility of raiding the cities for equipment or supplies is there, provided that proper planning and preparedness are ensured.

Let's leave the weapon issue alone for a bit, as I think that's been covered well enough.

Let's consider the food/medicine issue next.

Since society as a whole won't be functioning as it should, the possibility exists that people will be unable to get the medication that they need to treat illnesses, injuries, or existing/ongoing conditions.

Luckily we have a medicinal manufacturing company here in town, so we've got a bit of an edge there. They have the capability to produce some meds, but certainly not all.

Next, our town is known mostly for it's world class agriculture college. The facility includes monstrous greenhouses making year round produce possible, as well as the facilities to raise, slaughter, and process cattle for meat. There is also a veterinary school in the college, so keeping the herd healthy is covered too.

What about fuel? As of this year, the college has embarked on a biodiesel project, and has purchased all the necessary equipment to press canola, and process oil. Not to mention the huge oil and gas industry out here.. I think we'll be covered on that area too.

40km from here is a hydroelectric dam, which produces power for this region. I'm not an engineer, but I know a few, and I'm sure it wouldnt be too hard to isolate the power grid to provide for this area only. We also have a few companies here that specialize in solar energy.

Keep in mind that we are also less than 100km from the rockies, and that there are freshwater rivers coming down that run right near here, as well as the lakes and underground water supplies we already have.

[Vertigo]

Open Prairie land ... ok, great ... how many do you think you can kill off before they get to you? The biggest mistake people make with zombies is forgetting, they don't rest ... they don't stop until they are stopped. If they catch the scent of prey they won't stop going till they find them. So, if they get on your trail in the city, they will follow you back. It might take them time to get to your stronghold, but they will. Meanwhile, they'll be attracting others along the way. Soon, you'll be surrounded. As for the medical supplies, etc. That is great also, but you have to assume unless you yourself are trained to operate the necessary machinery, are a chemist knowing the correct mixtures, etc. That you might not be able to find one when the dead hit the fan. For a zombie attack, the most important thing is to have a small group of disciplined people who work well together. Practice self reliance, and live an austere life. Forget comforts such as Tylenol and gasoline. These things will run out. It is a war of attrition. Infact, one thing to consider is siege warfare. Find any books on the topic and you're likely to find a wellspring of information that's applicable to the situation.

[Luke122]

The bonus of the prairie land surrounding the town is the visibility.. even at night, a few well placed motion lights will make an approach easy to spot. In the daytime, they'd be spotted very quickly.

Also, the possibility to build a fence around the whole town is very real, as it's not that big of a place. With regular patrols around the outside, we could keep any major build up of zombies from building up.

Even if we didnt have the people necessary to run the manufacturing equipment or people who know the "recipes", the stockpile of meds would no doubt be beneficial.

Gasoline would run out, without a doubt. Biodiesel however is just canola oil, and if we were farming canola crops, the fuel output would just keep.. growing. ;)

I always wonder why people dont just get into some heavy equipment, and just mow them all down...? A few mods to a tractor, and it's a nearly perfect zombie crusher. It doesnt have to be fast, they cant run. It just has to be tough. I can imagine a bunch of tractors with armored cabs and radios for contact, just going out and driving in circles, running over everything (I refer to zombies as things, rather than people) in their path.

[Vertigo]

When you read the book, you'll see some interesting uses for vehicles in zombie attacks. Really the biggest problem is their numbers. It's easy to underestimate the zombies, because they're so slow and stupid. But with enough of them, you won't be able to mow them down before one gets to you and bites you, then it's over. I would recomend something like an armored car (think of those big trucks security companies use to move money from banks). The problem of course is getting into one yourself. You'd pretty much have to find one of those companies AND the keys, then hope there's a truck around that matches the keys. All of this before the living or unliving find and dispatch you.

[Luke122]

When you read the book, you'll see some interesting uses for vehicles in zombie attacks. Really the biggest problem is their numbers. It's easy to underestimate the zombies, because they're so slow and stupid. But with enough of them, you won't be able to mow them down before one gets to you and bites you, then it's over. I would recomend something like an armored car (think of those big trucks security companies use to move money from banks). The problem of course is getting into one yourself. You'd pretty much have to find one of those companies AND the keys, then hope there's a truck around that matches the keys. All of this before the living or unliving find and dispatch you.

I'm lucky that my father owns a trucking company, and has some heavy equipment... including this lovely toy. That's me on the left. :D

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p176/lukifer122/Image016.jpg

All you'd need to do is remove the ladder, and throw some heavy mesh armor over the windows, and BOOM! Zombie squasher deluxe!

[dgrmkrp]

Well, discussion is going great.. but I haven't seen one serious zombie movie ending happily. Why, because even the utterly stupid "night of the living dead" has them coming back to life even if they don't look able ;) That's a stupid example. Dawn of the dead is a nicer example, where they just hit! NO time for preparation and they spread exponentially in crowded areas. So, it won't be a mater of escaping the city, but being out of the city from the starters.. So, to have maximum survival chances, I'm gonna plan my new home around resistance and survival, in face of tornadoes, floods, fires, earthquakes and.. zombies :) I would actually prefer a hill top over the plains. And even the thickest of walls couldn't hold them back, because (I'm sure I've seen this somewhere) the bodies of the ones you do shoot would act as footing for the rest of the zombies.. And their main problem is numbers.. I would isolate myself completely from the outside world.. Lots of canned food and a nice way of living afterwards... as a gardener. I would probably live alone, to minimize something others don't appear to consider: how did the undead come? Is it an airborne virus? It is in some movies.. the cause of the first infestation. If it is, I wouldn't want to live for 50 years, have someone die near me and kill me then.. would be weird and pointless..
So, I would go on to live alone, mod by myself, probably without a computer or electricity and go.. mad :) in time, of course.
(3d renders coming soon ;))

[danthegeek]

I think you all are crazy. (zombies..??.... HAHAHAHA)

[calumc]

I think you all are crazy. (zombies..??.... HAHAHAHA)

I felt like saying that but I was afraid of all the anti-zombie weapons everyone seems to have stashed!

[Gen.Omega]

I felt like saying that but I was afraid of all the anti-zombie weapons everyone seems to have stashed!

LOL!

yeah we all have some sort of arsenals. I could, but, dont really want to spend on such items. Especially if that sort of thing happens you just take them.

[Greco101]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NLQUpwPEqA

[dgrmkrp]

errm.. those guys are crazy! we are just.. cautious :) I mean, there is no way a BFG could be made.. but we must fear the zombies! :) ;)

[Quakken]

I disagree. By the time the zombie virus is made, we'll have energy weapons such as the bfg.

And about that australia thing? okay, no king, but i would definitely go there just to get away from teh zombies. *shudders*.

[Dilphat]

I hope that when the bfg comes out, someone would have already made a Spartan Laser also. imagine blowing up the heads of a line of zombies with that! haha

[Vertigo]

I was thinking, two things in a house that would be particularly useful for defense against zombies. Stilts and walls made for hurricanes/tornados. Metal supports and such as you see in coastal areas, and the stilts you see in flood areas. Combined, you'd have a pretty solid defense.

[NightrainSrt4]

Who needs a bfg or a gravity gun...I would just use my little ol' mini hacksaw. If I can build a pc case with just that as my main source of cuttin', then I can sure as hell cut some heads off.

Lmao, I wouldn't do that, it be stupid, just adding to the fun. Rock on!

[simon275]

You could setup zombie traps around your shelter. Pits filled with steaks and maybe a dead animal in it to lure them. Or scarecrows that have claymore mines in them.

[Quakken]

200 determined unfeeling zombies could probably break down metal house supports after 4 or 5 days of untiredness. I wouldn't put it past them.

Now, if you had a BFG, THEN you could just get rid of them before they do that, but the virus may just find its way into your bloodstream by then.

[Omega]

I'll go with combine tech -- the AR-2 Overwatch Pulse Rifle's alt-fire, which makes every human/zombie/corpse it touches basically disappear. Those little plasma ball orb things.

Now if you will all excuse me, I am going to play some calming music and spawn tons of combine in GMod.

[Spawn-Inc]

i haven't read any of this thread but should a virus or something i have a backup.

http://www.aeropause.com/archives/reenergy.jpg

(note my picture but i just got a can :))

[Gen.Omega]

I'll go with combine tech -- the AR-2 Overwatch Pulse Rifle's alt-fire, which makes every human/zombie/corpse it touches basically disappear. Those little plasma ball orb things.

Now if you will all excuse me, I am going to play some calming music and spawn tons of combine in GMod.

Funny because I spawed hundreds of headcrabs and zombies of the entire variety. I need to play Gmod again.

[Omega]

I just played Ravelholm while listening to The Eagles.

Yeah.

[Gen.Omega]

Lol. They need a bigger scarier Ravelholm. I need to kill more zombies in cooler, badder ways, such as decapitation by train or something lol.

[Quakken]

Actually, if you could get ahold of a freight train engine, no zombie could really stop you. Not even zombies can stop a multi-ton, 15000 horsepower lumbering behemoth. Just unlatch and go. It would be so sweet to do that, have a train engine running down zombies...

[Gen.Omega]

Actually, if you could get ahold of a freight train engine, no zombie could really stop you. Not even zombies can stop a multi-ton, 15000 horsepower lumbering behemoth. Just unlatch and go. It would so sweet to do that, have a train engine running down zombies...

If a semi-truck is hit and does no damage to the engine, sometimes not even a scratch, I bet your right, zombies dont stand a chance. Take over a railyard and get a base there LOL.:up::D +rep for awesome idea.

[XcOM]

If a semi-truck is hit and does no damage to the engine, sometimes not even a scratch, I bet your right, zombies dont stand a chance. Take over a railyard and get a base there LOL.:up::D +rep for awesome idea.

you say that yet if wet leaves can stop the trains?
http://www.translink.co.uk/leaves.asp

[Quakken]

Okay, wet leaves make trains emo.

BUT!!!! what if we were to fit MONSTER TRUCK TIRES to the trains? eh? eh?

All we would have to do it then add some servos to the front to let it steer, add a steering wheel, and then BAM! Somewhat instant anti-zombie tank! you could plow through buildings with that thing!

I'm sure it would have enough torque to turn those giant tires, and the top speed of it would be even higher for the gear ratio those things would add. You could also put some concrete reinforced steel plating on it if the zombies decide to build some zombie tanks. Heck, you could put some explosives on that thing, too. It would epic out of my, and the rest of your minds.

[simon275]

Why not just break into the nearest army base and steal a APC or a Tank?

[Omega]

1. Good luck getting past the (probably alive) army guards.
2. If they're not alive, they're zombies.
3. Good luck going to one with a tank.
4. Good luck getting clearance.
5. good luck getting the keys
6. good luck driving it
7. good luck finding gas for it


etc

[Luke122]

Yeah, lets be realistic about that. The armored car idea was way better, but lets not forget the heavy equipment idea. That loader will do 55kmh, which is plenty fast to keep zombies from crawling onboard.

It uses standard diesel fuel, which is available almost everywhere, and the tires are pretty well puncture proof.

I've seen one of my dad's trucks after hitting a moose at highway speed.. bush bars are amazing. :D If you've never seen a moose, it's like a cow, only taller. (That's the most basic description ever).

[Omega]

If I needed fast transportation I would find a small, light, quick car and a place to weld on tons of supports and pointy things.

What else one might be able to do is develop sentry guns, using motion detecting cameras, tell it to aim for just about the middle of the head and feed it from a hopper. Two of three of these turrets would actually do a pretty good job at keeping a small village safe, assuming it's fortified well.

[Quakken]

If you have a good little village with a good 20 foot concrete wall with a single opening, you could probably channel the zombies through it and have a good killzone of zombies. If i had access, i would totally get a military jet. You could just fly to australia. But that's even less possible than getting an APC, and way harder to just start piloting. No, a train with monster truck tires and a steering wheel would be the way to go.

Or this thing. http://boingboing.net/images/102748.jpg

It's made to get through tornadoes, it can work for zombies to. Maybe i should build one of these things for the inevitable zombie invasion. That would totally do everything you want and more.

[Omega]

why bother channeling them

just build said wall and have a heavily reinforced roof

they will NEVER get in. Unless they have bunkerbusters.

[Quakken]

Will they ever give up? after a while wouldn't 200 unfeeling untiring zombies be able to scratch through the walls into your reinforced base?

Probably not, and it would be the eeriest feeling *EVER EVER EVER* to be inside your concrete circle and know that the scratching sound is zombies trying to get inside and kill you.

Yep, i'm gonna make a helicopter pad with a reinforced 30 foot high concrete wall in the case of zombie invasion, with armored car transport in and out and mounted BFG's on every side.

[Gen.Omega]

If I needed fast transportation I would find a small, light, quick car and a place to weld on tons of supports and pointy things.

What else one might be able to do is develop sentry guns, using motion detecting cameras, tell it to aim for just about the middle of the head and feed it from a hopper. Two of three of these turrets would actually do a pretty good job at keeping a small village safe, assuming it's fortified well.

LOL. I can see freshly skewered zombies now...

and suddenly I pictured boats flying upside-down in midair o_O

Sentry guns, hell yes. I tried this in my custom minimap in half-life 2, 3 turrets did the trick against loads of zombies, they never made it to the base even though theyhad a chance, and I made sure they could bust down walls and stuff. Seriously, never stood a chance lol. Then I tried 5 with 600 zombies, very laggy but nonetheless one turret was hit to the ground (the fast zombie, DAMN YOU FAST ZOMBIE!!!) but of course it can still fire and kill, but aiming would be limited until you make it upright.

Fun emulation, lol.
Geez, why dont I go make another zombie survival map, thats an awesome idea I havent done mapping in a year for HL2.

Make a strongpoint to bottleneck the only way in... theyd never live. That'll be the 2nd map lol.

[Ironcat]

And if a history class on pigs in America sounds strange, consider a media studies course at Columbia College in Chicago that examines the presence of zombies in pop culture. "Zombies in Popular Media," taught by Brendan P. Riley, covers the fascination with the brain-eating walking dead, which has manifested itself in voodoo in Haiti, movies like "White Zombie" and video games including "Resident Evil."

That's from a story about silly college courses (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307442,00.html)...