Nvidia 8800GT is here!

[Indybird]

Check out this Chinese review (http://topic.expreview.com/2007-10-23/1193114539d6255_1.html).

It almost always beats the ATI HD2900XT and almost always comes within a few frames of 8800GTX performance. Luckily though, this card will only be about $250. Though this is nice, I'm pretty sure I'm still going to go with the ATI HD3870 (RV670), especially since nVidia admitted to the ATI one being better.

So, what do you guys think?

-Indybird

[xRyokenx]

Sweet! I can upgrade from my 8500GT and give that to my brother or something! NICE. That'll be awesome, I know I'm definitely not going to be paying $400+ for a video card, to hell with that mess.

[.Maleficus.]

Looks like I know what I'm getting.

[Spawn-Inc]

meh, i will stick with a 8800 ultra or newer card if its better than an ultra.

[Indybird]

I've already decided that I'm going with the ATI HD3870. If the 8800GT competes with the 8800GTX and nvidia admitted to the 8800GT losing against the ATI HD3870, then the ATI must be one kickass card. By christmas I'll probably get a second HD3870 and crossfire them, for some very nice Crysis action...

-Indybird

[crenn]

HD3870? This is the first I've heard of it.

And can I point out that HD3870 is the 'next' gen card. So I would expect it to beat the 8800GT.

The 8800GT is meant to be a replacement for the 8800GTS, so it's still generation 8.

AMD have gone onto the next generation by the looks of things. I'm waiting for the Geforce 9 series.

EDIT: Apparent the HD3800 series is the HD2950 series!

Indy, where does nVidia 'admit' that the 8800GT loses against the HD3870? Also where is the reviews of the HD3870?

[Indybird]

HD3870? This is the first I've heard of it.

And can I point out that HD3870 is the 'next' gen card. So I would expect it to beat the 8800GT.

The 8800GT is meant to be a replacement for the 8800GTS, so it's still generation 8.

AMD have gone onto the next generation by the looks of things. I'm waiting for the Geforce 9 series.

EDIT: Apparent the HD3800 series is the HD2950 series!

Indy, where does nVidia 'admit' that the 8800GT loses against the HD3870? Also where is the reviews of the HD3870?

Right here (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/03/nvidia-admits-defeat-g92-vs). But there are no reviews as of yet, though they have some early 3DMark tests taken at one of the computer expos the RV670 (HD3870) was shown off at.

The ATI isn't really a next-gen card, but for some reason ATI named it that way. Its still running on an R600-based core. Weird how the RV670 is going to beat the R600 by a mile... ATI's next-gen card is a dual-core version of the RV670 coming out Q1 2008.

Both of these cards will be released within 5 days of each other in november and both will be right around $250.

-Indybird

[crenn]

I currently don't think the inquirer is a reliable source of information.

I'll wait for the actual cards to come out.

[Indybird]

I currently don't think the inquirer is a reliable source of information.

I'll wait for the actual cards to come out.

You may be true, but I think that the HD3870 had slighter higher objectives set by ATI than nvidia and the 8800GT. Believe it or not, I am not an ATI fanboy, I've always chose the company that has the current best performance/price ratio. I Just think ATI will come ahead in this little race.

-Indybird

[crenn]

It is possible. But as I said, I'll wait for them to come out. Rumours spread like wild fire *winks*

[khalie]

sweet card.
Looks like Ati is thinking about getting glory crown from Nvidia.
Now we have to wait for the next move from 9 series ;)

[PauL]

Here's a nice review of the 8800GT (http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Nvidia_GeForce_8800_GT_Review/5369-1.html)

[The boy 4rm oz]

Didn't the 8900 GPU turn out being the 8800GT anyway? I'm happy with my 8800GTX.

[The boy 4rm oz]

Well I was kinda right haha, read this thread:
http://www.thebestcasescenario.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10520

[khalie]

Well I was kinda right haha, read this thread:
http://www.thebestcasescenario.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10520

So I was wrong :( thanks for getting me back on tracks ;)

[The boy 4rm oz]

No problem mate, can't wait to see what Nvidia bring out next though ;).

[khalie]

Yup and I`m waiting for Radeon 3800 then we will see what Ati/Amd bring to fight with Nvidia

[The boy 4rm oz]

I'm interested to see how AMD/ATI are going to integrate their cores into their systems. There were rumors that they were going to integrate the GPU straight onto their motherboards so the northbridge, southbridge, CPU and GPU would become a single unit together. This may be difficult due to having no upgrade path but may lower overall system costs. Because they are a single company now they can make both the CPU and GPU work perfectly with each other, there may even be some bonuses by doing things this way, who knows. Only time can tell.

[Indybird]

I'm interested to see how AMD/ATI are going to integrate their cores into their systems. There were rumors that they were going to integrate the GPU straight onto their motherboards so the northbridge, southbridge, CPU and GPU would become a single unit together. This may be difficult due to having no upgrade path but may lower overall system costs. Because they are a single company now they can make both the CPU and GPU work perfectly with each other, there may even be some bonuses by doing things this way, who knows. Only time can tell.

yeah, I am most definitely waiting for the HD3870, since it will probably will beat the 8800GT. The problem is, right after ATI launches the HD3800s then nVidia is going to be releasing an even newer version of the 8800GTS; which is essentially an 8800GT with support for 1GB of VRAM, 16 more shader units and a higher core clock. (Article Here) (http://www.techpowerup.com/?43419) That is expected to beat the 8800 Ultra by a mile.

-Indybird

[The boy 4rm oz]

Holy crap that does sound good, can't wait to see how that new Nvidia chip performs. After reading that article it may well beat the 8800GTX but I don't think it will top the Ultra, I think Nvidia has something else up their sleeve.

A bit off topic but I was just wondering. I am building a PC for my brother (dad is paying :)) and currently I have the 8800GTS 320mb card on the list, I was just wondering if the 8800GT out performs this card, seeing that it is about $100AUS more and has faster clocks.

[NightrainSrt4]

Ya, as far as most of the reviews and benchmarks are concerned, the new 8800GT beats the old 8800GTS's by a decent margin in just about everything and is just barely off the 8800GTX.


It makes me a little sad that I just bought an 8800GTS 320mb superclocked just recently, but it also makes me happy that I went with EVGA and can upgrade it!:banana: If I didn't go evga I would probably be pretty sad here right now, but eitherway they are both great cards. I am going to see what the new GTS's do and probably upgrade to that.

[Indybird]

The 8800GT beats all of the 8800GTSs by a large margin, and actually should be app. $100 cheaper.

I am pretty sure that the new 8800GTS 512MB or 1GB will beat the 8800 Ultra no problem. It is supposed to blow the 8800GT out of the water, which can almost compete w/ the 8800GTX.

-Indybird

[NightrainSrt4]

If that turns out to be true, and the new GTS's can keep about the same price as the current ones that is going to make me happy. Step-up for the win. I can deal with using one of the 7600gs from Project Alb for a few weeks while that comes in.

[The boy 4rm oz]

That sounds good, my brother's comp will get little speed boost then lol. When the new 8800GTS is released the prices for the 8800GTX may go down, if it does I may consider SLI. I would probably just wait for a few years and get a the best thing at the time. I can run pretty much anything at the moment with everything on high at any where between 70-99fps (STALKER varies a lot lol Battlefield series sits at 99fps).

[Indybird]

In case you didn't see my thread, I just sold my ATI X1900XTX 512MB. Right now I am using an ATI X600SE since its the only other PCI-E graphics card I have. Surprisingly in regular use (Windows Vista Aero, HD Video, Web Browsing, Large Images) it doesn't performance any worse than my X1900XTX. Just no gaming for me unless its Dark Forces II. I am going to wait and see if the new 8800GTS 512MB/1GB beats the ATI HD3870 512MB/1GB.

-Indybird

[danthegeek]

I may need a new CPU to see the power from this card. I have a 2.4 ghz 4800 X2 (939) and I scored an 8867 on 3dmark06 with stock clock speeds. Yeah, kind of low. Then i overclocked the cpu to 2.6 ghz and got a 9380 on 3dmark. I also tried overclocking the 8800gt to 670/1650/1950 (stock is 600/1500/1800) with the cpu still at 2.6 and got a 9450.:eek: Yeah, the cpu is realy holding this card back lol. Ill try pushing the cpu to 2.8 and see what i get. Hopefully I can break the 10000 line.

danthegeek

[The boy 4rm oz]

Found a review that may interest you all, turns out my 8800GTX isn't beat (apart from the Ultra lol) just yet.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/11/02/nvidia_geforce_8800_gt/1

[Indybird]

Found a review that may interest you all, turns out my 8800GTX isn't beat (apart from the Ultra lol) just yet.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/11/02/nvidia_geforce_8800_gt/1

As much as I love Bit-Tech, they're not very good at making their reviews even. They always change some factor between the two cards, and therefore make the comparison invalid. For instance they'll put higher settings on the 8800GT because its newer, or something dumb like that. They've done this a lot before, its just this time, they don't show the specific settings for each card.

That review aside, the 8800GTX wasn't really ever beat by the 8800GT, its just as soon as the 8800GT got one frame more in a comparison, everybody jumped at the chance to say its better. They're about the same at medium to high resolutions. However, at ultra-high resolutions, the 8800GTX is still the king.

All of that is why I am waiting for either the ATI HD3870 512MB/1GB or the nVidia 8800GTS 512MB/1GB. Both of those cards should have no problem beating the GTX or Ultra.

-Indybird

[danthegeek]

The only reason everyone, including myself, is so excited about the 8800gt is because it is faster then the 8800gts, which cost more, and almost as fast as the 8800gtx at half the price. It also has the "newer" tech from nvidia. (65 nm core, etc....)

[NightrainSrt4]

Ya, Im waiting to use my eVGA stepup on the new 8800GTS. I am really waiting to see how that card performs. 512mb of memory would be good, but I might jump up to the 1gb card if that performs well. If it isn't that much of an increase I might not even step up, but im thinking it probably will be.

As close as the 8800gt is to the gtx, I would think that the new GTS would HAVE to be better than the gtx. Otherwise, who would buy a new GTS when its only just barely over the GT.

We will see, but I am hoping to step up to a new 1Gb GTS.

[The boy 4rm oz]

For those who want specs on the new ATI/AMD cards (click on the pics):
http://www.techpowerup.com/?43763