Anything better than 8800GTX coming out? [Archive]

dexaroni

11-24-2007, 03:56 PM

I need some insight here. I curently have an eVGA 8800GTS Superclocked, and it is just not enough to futureproof my system, so I am upgrading to an 8800GTX, 2 of them to be specific.

At least that is my plan as of now.

I have 46 days left on my step up program, and I was wondering if anyone knew of any card that would be equal to or better than 8800GTX performance coming out before the end of the year. I know about the G92 8800GTS revision, but I don't think that will be better than 8800GTX.

Money is not an issue, and neither is power consumption. I have a 750 watt psu with 4 PCI-E pins, so I am not concerned about that. The card has to be Nvidia.

So, bottom line: Is anything better than the 8800GTX within the same price point coming out before the end of the year?

Thanks,
Dex

Spawn-Inc

11-24-2007, 05:49 PM

while its not in the same price point the 8800 Ultra is still the best card out. with some oc'ing it should be even better. (699 for the base model and 799 for the superclocked)

dexaroni

11-24-2007, 05:58 PM

I know, but you hardly get 10 percent more performance but you pay 200 bucks more :(

For that price I can throw a waterblock on the GTX and OC it to Ultra specs.

Spawn-Inc

11-24-2007, 06:02 PM

ya but you get better cooling as well with the ultra. if nothing else is out by the time i get the cash for a new video card i will pick the base model and water cool it. stupid intel decided not to tell nvidia or eVGA that the new 45nm quads won't work with a 680ichipset so now i will have to buy a new mobo for the Q9450.

but ya i would just stick with the GTX's.

dexaroni

11-24-2007, 06:16 PM

Edit that statement: They told them at first they it would, so people like me bought one new about a week ago, then they retracted that statement and told us that it wouldn't work.

Spawn-Inc

11-24-2007, 06:25 PM

what do you mean edit that statement? it says that the new quads won't work with the 680i chipsets, which they won't. the dual core chips will, but who wants a crappy dual core.

dexaroni

11-24-2007, 06:53 PM

Thats what I mean. They said at first that the quad cores WOULD work, so people such as myself bought 680i boards intending to buy a next gen quad core, then they changed their minds.

Anyways, I am ordering an 8800GTX, a pair of them should last me 2 years, which is what I aim for when building a new system.

Spawn-Inc

11-24-2007, 07:06 PM

even though i got mine a while ago, before i heard about the new 45nm cpu's, i still hope eVGA or nvidia offers either a stepup or some kind of discount on the 7xx series motherboards. i think they should offer a 25% discount for people who bought the board 5-6 months back and a setup for those who bought it 1-2 months ago.

The boy 4rm oz

11-25-2007, 03:07 AM

The ULTRA is just a superclocked 8800GTX with a better heatsink. Go with the two GTX's and water cool and OC, you should exceed stock ULTRA specs.

Spawn-Inc

11-25-2007, 03:17 AM

yes but the ultra is better then a gtx when both are oc'ed and when both are at stock, its just that for most people a 10% increase or so doesn't justify 150-200 more.

The boy 4rm oz

11-25-2007, 03:26 AM

That is true, and you are right. I wouldn't spend the extra 400AUD for a 10% performance increase, I could water cool both of those cards for just under $150AUD each and could spend the rest towards more RAM or a CPU upgrade. Personally I find that approach better, especially if you haven't got any hardware yet.

Spawn-Inc

11-25-2007, 03:35 AM

yup for sure, though if nothing comes out by my birthday (March) that's better then an ultra and doesn't cost anymore i will be getting one and water cooling it. i will probably also end up volt modding it now that i know its easy enough. then again maybe i will get two 8800GT's and sli them, but with my upgrade vista is on the list and i've heard sli and vista should never be in the same sentence.

The boy 4rm oz

11-25-2007, 04:56 AM

Well the new 8800GTS will probably be out by March, aren't they meant to beat the Ultra? and they are meant to be cheaper also.

Spawn-Inc

11-25-2007, 04:59 AM

i know there suppose to be as good as the 8800GT but not sure if they match or surpass the ultra. part of me hopes they do because then i would grab two but i don't like the GTS part, sounds wimpy haha, i'm way to picky (not the write word, can't think of the right one) on names and products. but if i could get could the power with the same price or cheaper i would take that for sure.

The boy 4rm oz

11-25-2007, 05:02 AM

Yeah I know what you mean about wimpy lol. That's why I like GTX lol.

I think the new name for the GTS is GTS2 or something like that.

Scotty

11-25-2007, 07:39 AM

The ULTRA is just a superclocked 8800GTX with a better heatsink. Go with the two GTX's and water cool and OC, you should exceed stock ULTRA specs.

It's a different Core actually, it's referred to as the G80+ It is not the same as a GTX core, that's why it can be pushed further. All they did with the heatsink is move the fan to direct airflow better the heatsink itself i believe is the same.

As for anything better than the 8800GTX it will come, but at this rate it'll be next year, ATi currently pose no threat to the 8800GTX and Ultra, the 3870 X2 could be the key to push Nvidia to bring out a new bitching card, which will again leave ATi behind in the dust crying, because they failed at life and so did AMD :p

The boy 4rm oz

11-25-2007, 07:42 AM

True True, the last time I saw ATI on top was when they released the X800 Radeons. And as for AMD, the socket 939 Athlons were their last big achievement. AM2 went bust really fast lol.

dexaroni

11-25-2007, 06:04 PM

its just that for most people a 10% increase or so doesn't justify 150-200 more.

Bingo.

rendermandan

11-25-2007, 07:21 PM

I really wish I had the money to get a gtx. untill then, I'm stuck with my crappy ATI 1900 XTX. :(

Indybird

11-25-2007, 10:04 PM

The boy 4rm oz

11-26-2007, 01:11 AM

Wait! Stop all proceedings in this thread!

The new 8800GTS 512MB will be coming out December 3rd for $300-$325. It is expected to beat the 8800GTX by a decent amount. Heres (http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=6128) the article (with pictures).

If I were you, I'd go with that card.

-Indybird

Hmm thought it was coming out soon. One ugly thing though lol, should have kept the old cooler. I still like my GTX though, one my mod is done I will try to OC it.

Spawn-Inc

11-26-2007, 02:17 AM

ya i hope thats just some prototype they plan to through in the trash where it belongs.

dexaroni

11-26-2007, 02:18 AM

Indybird, that is what I am waiting for. I have been waiting for it, and I really hope that it does beat out the 8800GTX. We will see on december 3rd what card will be going in my new uber rig :P

The boy 4rm oz

11-26-2007, 02:22 AM

If it does beat the GTX then the price should drop on the GTX. Then I will get another GTX and a 800-1000W PSU and run them in SLI.

Indybird

11-26-2007, 01:50 PM

ya i hope thats just some prototype they plan to through in the trash where it belongs.

I can't find the article right now, but it said somewhere that that will be the final design for the cooler. It would even be that bad if the fan didn't have that weird angle.

-Indybird

The boy 4rm oz

11-26-2007, 07:46 PM

Just found this article, should help you make up your mind:
http://www.techpowerup.com/?45486

.Maleficus.

11-26-2007, 07:47 PM

OMG with all the new cards Nvidia is releasing, I'll never get a new card. First I was going for the old GTS, now it's the GT I want, but apparently Dec. 3 I'll be wanting a NEW GTS. Greeeeaaaat.

It is final. I WILL get a new GTS when they come out. If it beats the GT, then that's all I care about. I will finally get my stupid computer finished how I want it (without a decent monitor, but that's next).

The boy 4rm oz

11-26-2007, 07:51 PM

The new GTS should beat the GT, it will give the ULTRA a run for its money at resolutions under 1600x1200.

Indybird

11-26-2007, 09:17 PM

Sadly its been delayed to December 11th. (http://www.techpowerup.com/?45486)

:(

-Indybird

dexaroni

11-26-2007, 10:51 PM

Thanks for the great info guys! This will really help out my buying decision.

The boy 4rm oz

11-26-2007, 11:18 PM

No problem mate, glad all the info helped.

.Maleficus.

11-27-2007, 08:45 AM

Hopefully it'll be like the GT and not the the G80 adapter plate for the MCW60.

And I'm actually glad it got delayed; gives me time to get some money for it.

Scotty

11-28-2007, 11:59 AM

Some shots of the new 8800GTS (http://www.tweaktown.com/news/8601/index.html)

They believe it could be released up to 1 week earlier than the 11th

crenn

11-28-2007, 09:51 PM

At this rate, it might be worth me waiting for this card instead of the 8800GT (It's almost impossible to get the 8800GT unless you want to pay a s***load for it (Around $500 or so... for a $350 card).

EDIT: Found this:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9506

Found it via: http://games.internode.on.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=130787

D1337

11-29-2007, 12:01 AM

thanks for the update, crenn or anyone else who is closely following the revamped 8800 gts, can you guys pm me when it become buy-able? Cause i still need to try and swap out my perfectly fine and new 8800 gts 640 for the new model <.< (30 days left till my step-up ends)

The boy 4rm oz

11-29-2007, 03:09 AM

New GTS should be coming out on December 11th. I honestly don't care about release dates, I just want performance comparisons between the GT, GTS and GTX.

Spawn-Inc

11-29-2007, 03:26 AM

yup, when i get the cash i want to know which is the best performance, then depending on price i will grab the best one or look for a cheaper model.

though i guess it would make sense to get 2 cards since my board i meant for sli...

The boy 4rm oz

11-29-2007, 03:30 AM

I am running a single GTX on my board with the hope that the new GTS may drop the price on the GTX so I can get a new PSU and a second GTX for SLI.

The boy 4rm oz

11-29-2007, 04:27 AM

Indybird

11-29-2007, 10:40 AM

Speaking of results, here we go:
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1234/1
The new GTS beats the GT and the price is expected to be around $50-$100USD more than the GT so get saving.
Sadly no comparisons to the GTX, only the GT.

First, Nice find! +Rep
Second, nice numbers! The 8800GTS is lookin nice! Now I'm really conflicted:
I was going to just get two HD3870s and crossfire them. The thing is though I love anti-aliasing. Do you think it would be worth it to spend the extra for the card and then eventually get a new mobo (and 2nd card and do SLI)? (Run-on sentence!)

Thanks,
Indybird

Fuganater

11-29-2007, 12:16 PM

There is no point in my opinion to get the 8800GTX. Go with the 8800GT. You get a good clock speed, SLI, and easily overclockable to the GTX speed. Not worth the money.

Indybird

11-29-2007, 01:57 PM

The boy 4rm oz

11-29-2007, 01:59 PM

If you buy the mobo and a single card with intentions of SLI then chases are you will hang out for the next king of the hill and not worry about SLI all together. But I still think the GTX is the better option over the GT's. Even though you can OC the GT's to stock GTX speeds you can OC the GTX even further. And as a added bonus the GTX has much better cooling and is no where near as loud as the GT.

The boy 4rm oz

11-29-2007, 02:01 PM

Check it out (http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1093/6/page_6_benchmarks_half_life_2_lost_coast/index.html), I found the Tweaktown review of the 8800Ultra and the 8800GTS beats in almost every test!

-Indybird

That may be so in this case. Was the testing hardware the same? I'm not gonna trust the benchmarks until I see the new GTS directly compared to the ULTRA and GTX.

Scotty

11-29-2007, 02:18 PM

NO GTS tested wioth a Q6600@ 3.3GHz Ultra with a E6600 @3.3GHz, GTS with DDR3 ULTRA with DDR2 And new drivers. 158.16 vs 169.06. So it's not fair.

My System with my 6600 @3.3GHz, lower speed RAM, gets 13610 GTX @600 Core 2100Mem, so in comparison the GTX and ULTRA appear to still be the better cards.

The CRysis one is the only one with the GTX, it beats it at 1920x1200 by 2 FPS and the GTX beats the GTS @ 1280x1024.

Fuganater

11-29-2007, 03:09 PM

The boy 4rm oz

11-29-2007, 09:09 PM

Cos the GT has such a ****ty small heatsink it gets extremely hot, around 70*c, that pushes the fan harder making it louder (anywhere between 50dba-70dba for 10cm).

dexaroni

11-29-2007, 09:12 PM

They compare it to the GTX on the last page, in Crysis benchmarks.

It gets about .2 more FPS at high resolution.

I'm getting a pair on launch day. (GTS, not GTX)

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1234/18/page_18_benchmarks_crysis/index.html

crenn

11-30-2007, 02:05 AM

Hmmmm...... If I can, I think I'll go for a 8800GTS(G92)

The boy 4rm oz

11-30-2007, 08:38 AM

Just to throw a spanner in the works, here is some info on the release of the GeForce 9**** series:
http://www.techpowerup.com/?45809
Enjoy ;).

Scotty

11-30-2007, 11:32 AM

Now you will have ruined all their lives.

Nice one :P

Honestly until my GTX starts falling behind in most games (except Crysis) i will find a reason to upgrade. Or i have money burning a hole in my pocket and there is something that blows the GTX away ill upgrade.

The boy 4rm oz

11-30-2007, 11:37 AM

Exactly what I am thinking Scotty. If I get another GTX to run SLI or a different card I will need to upgrade my 550W PSU so I want to hang out until the GTX is useless lol. I am getting myself 2GB more RAM for Christmas though :).

Scotty

11-30-2007, 01:48 PM

Im thinking of getting another 2GB too doing this heavy Photoshop DareDevil piece cripples my RAM, at times i have 32MB left ...

Omega

11-30-2007, 03:50 PM

Im thinking of getting another 2GB too doing this heavy Photoshop DareDevil piece cripples my RAM, at times i have 32MB left ...

If you're running a 32bit OS, It can only utilize ~2.75gb of RAM.

Just saying.

Spawn-Inc

11-30-2007, 04:14 PM

good the new 9 series will be out by the time i get my inheritance :)

Scotty

11-30-2007, 05:29 PM

If you're running a 32bit OS, It can only utilize ~2.75gb of RAM.

Just saying.

I know, but even that slight extra bit may be worth it.

Might have to go 64, which will be a pain though, useless stupid 32 bit.

Have to love inheritance don't ya :D

noopypoop

11-30-2007, 06:33 PM

Wait, the Ultra is only %10 better?

*changes part list*

Scotty

11-30-2007, 08:34 PM

it's much better than 10%, we need some direct comparison like same set up just different cards before we can really tell.

The boy 4rm oz

11-30-2007, 09:45 PM

Scotty is right, results mean nuthn if they are not from the same system.

32bit windows can see a maximum of 4GB RAM including VRAM. If you have 4GB of RAM with a 512MB graphics card windows will count that as around 3-3.5GB of total system RAM.