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egroj
09-08-2005, 12:09 PM
hello everybody
i'm sick and tired of my pc freezen everytime i play battlefield 2 for more than 1 hour, after donating 50 bucks to the red cross, i have some money to buy a watercoling kit, need for my cpu and video card, somebody can piont me to the right direccion. wich kit is more afordable? what brand? i check on the on the watercooling thread buy there are so many. i don't know what to choose.


egroj

[DGN]Nexus
09-08-2005, 05:51 PM
Your PC freezing up is probably not a cpu or gpu cooling problem. Random constant shutdowns would be, but it sounds like you are running out of ram or your cpu is not fast enough to handle the game, but in either case:

If you want a full kit, Thermaltake has a Bigwater kit that I have seen used in multiple compys that seems to work well and is affordable.

If you want to build your own, well, thats a different story, but you could use danger den components, a little more on the expensive side, but depending on what you get, it will be more efficient I'm sure.

egroj
09-08-2005, 08:26 PM
yes the pc shutdown many times, freezes and then shutdown, thank for the info on the kit.
here a dxdiag from my machine
System Information
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Time of this report: 9/8/2005, 17:17:57
Machine name: NONAME
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
System Model: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
BIOS: Rev 2.00
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.2GHz
Memory: 1278MB RAM
Page File: 506MB used, 1902MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

Display Devices
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Card name: RADEON 9800 PRO
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: RADEON 9800 PRO AGP (0x4E48)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4E48&SUBSYS_10021002&REV_00
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Default Monitor
Monitor Max Res:
Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6546 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 5/3/2005 19:28:54, 226816 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: ati2mtag.sys
Mini VDD Date: 5/3/2005 19:28:34, 1133056 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-0D08-11CF-206A-0830A1C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x4E48
SubSys ID: 0x10021002
Revision ID: 0x0000
Revision ID: 0x0000
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D



and the list is long

thank you so much for your help.
im going to do a research about the one you told me.

egroj

[DGN]Nexus
09-08-2005, 09:09 PM
Well my two idead for problems definitley don't work. You have plenty of RAM and plenty of processing power with that CPU, so hmmm... Here's some links for different manufacturer's watercooling kits that I have heard great things about:

Thermaltake's Bigwater Kit (http://www.thermaltake.com/watercooling/cl-w0005-01BigWaterSE/cl-w0005-01.htm)
Heard great things about this one.

Zalman's Reserator Kit (http://www.zalmanusa.com/usa/product/view.asp?idx=160&code=021)
Read numerous reviews apraising this kit.

Cooler Master's Aquagate Mini (http://www.coolermaster.com/index.php?LT=english&Language_s=2&url_place=product&p_serial=RL-MUA-E8U1%20/%20EBU1&other_title=RL-MUA-E8U1%20%2F%20EBU1AQUAGATE%20Mini%20R80%20%2F%20R12 0)
I haven't heard a lot about this one, but I have seen a few reviews saying it was alright.

egroj
09-09-2005, 11:59 AM
Nexus thank you for your help, i will do a research on those too.
I think this weekend I'm going to come with a answer.

egroj

[DGN]Nexus
09-09-2005, 12:49 PM
No problem.. any time.

Frogon
09-09-2005, 08:13 PM
Might be a spyware problem, download and run Adaware to find out, I wouldn't Microsoft's "anti"-spyware. Watercooling sounds fun, I'm actually looking into it myself, thanks for the awesome links ; )

I have a question about watercooling though. If I was going to buy a set piece by piece, what would I need. I figured a pump, a radiator, tubes, and those plate things that replace the heatsink, is that all you need?

Also, for the blocks on heatsinks, some have 3 places to put tubes, how does that work?

weirdguy
09-09-2005, 09:40 PM
they're called waterblocks, and I think one is removing the air/ filling the loop.

dgrmkrp
09-10-2005, 04:18 AM
some waterblocks work with a flow of water going in and one out, other blocks have a central intake and two outs, for more efficient cooling. but this implies you need to use a Y to connect the tubes back after the flow was separated...

Uncle Humjaba
09-14-2005, 10:39 PM
Before you go out and spend your life savings on a water cooling kit, record your temperatures while playing. I forget the name of the program, but it records your GPU and CPU temperatures to a log file. I have a 3200+ with 1gig ram and a 6600GT and my temps rarely exceed 45-50*C for the CPU

weirdguy
09-14-2005, 10:42 PM
no!!! Buy the new gigabyte watercooling kit! Best Bang For your Buck!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835128011

Frogon
09-17-2005, 12:38 AM
Yeah, I use ASUS's probe, it came with the motherboard.. though my CPU temp gets up to 55C, and stays there, while playing Unreal Tournament, its not enough for me to spend $200+ on watercooling, though I was thinking more for what rolls around next time : )

Mobius01010
09-17-2005, 12:23 PM
I have a Amd64 system, but I read on some review site that watercooling for the case or motherboard or something is impossible, true or false?
AMD64 Athlon 3400+ ~2.2Ghz
Corsair cmx512-3200llpro RAM 512Mb x 2
Seagate 80 Gb Hdd x 2
Vantec Vortex Hdd Cooling system x 2
Quad LED 80mm Fan x 6
ATI Radeon Pro 9800 128
Plextor Plexwriter Premium
Aopen H700b Full Tower
Enermax 600W Power Supply
Chaintech ZNF3-150 Motherboard
Samsung 19' LCD Monitor

slaveofconvention
09-18-2005, 05:25 AM
Watercooling a CASE is virtually impossible, and almost as pointless - as for the motherboard, the only thing you can EASILY watercool is the Northbridge chip - this'll be the one with the existing heatsink which has to be removed and replaced with a waterblock. Having said that, unless you have some pretty lofty ideas regarding overclocking, or your northbridge has a big noisy fan on it already (I checked and your motherboard DOES have a fan on the northbridge between the second PCI slot and the floppy/ide slots - is it noisy?), it isn't really worth doing. Generally speaking watercooling is of most use where you need either a drastic drop in noise levels, or want to overclock.

Spaceroach
09-24-2005, 12:37 AM
Nexus']

If you want a full kit, Thermaltake has a Bigwater kit that I have seen used in multiple compys that seems to work well and is affordable.



I just got one the other day... not installed yet but I can't wait to. I heard it performs well, and I know firsthand that the waterblock is absolutely gorgeous... just google 'Bigwater' and there are dozens of reviews (if you read reviews). I haven't heard any bad things about it (which is why I chose it - it's a great value at its price to performance ratio).

Unless you're really into overclocking or PC silence though, there's no real reason to watercool. There are lots of funky gigantic heatsink dealies you can get for less than sixty bucks that will keep your stock-clocked CPU nice and cool under load, and you don't have to worry about pumps or fluid levels or installing bloody enormous radiatiors hanging off the back of your machine (the Bigwater's is 120mm, the housing for it is enormous and I am building a new case just to accomodate it). But it if you're doing it for the love of doing it, or are just adamant that you want to give it a try, just do it and more power to ya.

Good luck,
Space Roach