Windows 7

[crenn]

Can I ask what your guys opinions on it is?

Also: http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15718

And for the fun of it (seen in comments of above link):


If I start counting the cost of my time, each new version of Windows has cost me tens of thousands of dollars. Hell, just using Windows has cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars of lost productivity....
Maybe you should stop playing solitaire and start working :)My personal opinion is it's taking feedback from vista users and trying to incorporate them, there are also interesting things with the new Windows 7 (I'm actually excited about the rumoured calculator).

Links:
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20081028/ap_on_hi_te/tec_microsoft [08/10/29]
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/10435/insight_to_the_progress_of_windows_7/index.html [08/10/30]
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=579 [08/10/31]
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1676 [08/10/31]
http://www.istartedsomething.com/20081013/winhec-2008-agenda-confirms-native-vhd-suppor/ [08/10/31]
http://activewin.com/reviews/previews/windows7/ [08/10/31] (REVIEW)
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/10442/windows_7_walkthrough_and_videos/index.html [08/11/03]
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/10464/get_a_look_at_the_new_windows_7_desktop_videos/index.html [08/11/05]

[AMD Killa]

I think Windows 7 will be amazing, if they get the price/feature ratio right. They should sell a basic package to everyone, then allow the purchase of additional modules (features such as media centre, or remote desktop), so that people only pay for what they need. In that case, there would be no bloat, as you would only have what you paid for. If you had stuff you didnt want, that would then be your own fault.

Windows Vista is brilliant for me. Sure, others might have had their problems, but for me, it's been fine. One of the main reasons that most businesses (they only talk about large business, not medium or small ones) are not moving to Vista, is because th technicians can't be bothered to change everything. Then they use the excuse of high cost to stop their bosses from making them do it. All those technicians who only 'want' XP are going to whine like hell when the product support runs out in 5 years time anyway.

[mittelmeier]

It will be interesting to see what Windows 7 brings. I think it will improve leaps and bounds over Vista if it isn't such a resource hog. I know I'll not be buying a copy of Vista since 7 is set to be released so soon.

I think a lot of businesses that haven't switched over heard stories about lack of driver support or compatibility issues and that's what is keeping them from switching. Which there were at first but it's been fixed now. Hopefully when Microsoft releases 7 they will have learned from Vista and wait until they have enough driver support from other companies before they do a full launch and give 7 as bad of a name as Vista had in the beginning.

[TheGreatSatan]

From what I've seen, it looks like Vista.

[halcyonforever]

Here is a buisness perspective:

We have no option of migrating to Vista because much of our core software is incompatible (heck it is incompatiable with everything since windows 3.1, everything since then has just been bandages) with Vista so it's just not feasable. Secondly it doesn't really offer anything to make an incentive for the transition. Graphical enhancements don't do anything for buisness machines. While it offers some enhanced security, most of the same things are enforceable with Active Directory policies.

So, why change?

Until XP no longer gets security patches I cannot justify the change.

[LiTHiUM0XiD3]

(I'm actually excited about the rumoured calculator).


anybody who is excited about a calculator needs help.. not to be a prick... but just... wow...

[crenn]

anybody who is excited about a calculator needs help.. not to be a prick... but just... wow...

I like useful tools, and for me, the new calculator will be more useful than the last :P


From what I've seen, it looks like Vista.

That's because it pretty much is. Windows 7 builds on top of vista.

[Spawn-Inc]

(I'm actually excited about the rumoured calculator).


got any links or time to tell me about the calculator, whats going to be better or different?

[crenn]

http://www.ghacks.net/2008/09/20/windows-7-m3-screenshots/

The original screenshots I saw have been taken down, so that's the best I can give you for now.

[Killdrath]

For obvious reasons, I cannot say much, but...

I REALLY like Win7. I only reluctantly upgraded my home system to Vista, but my two machines at work that have 7 on them, well, I'm excited.

[crenn]

Can I ask if those machines had vista on before and if they respond slightly better?

[chaksq]

From what I've seen, it looks like Vista.
So, at first glance Windows 2000 Professional looked like Windows 98 which looked even more like Windows 95.

[Killdrath]

Well, I have several hundred machines with Win7 currently in the lab, but, the two on my desk...

One is a top of the line quad core HP desktop. I have an identical machine next to it with Vista.

One is a slightly older laptop with 1gb ram.

Both function pretty dang good. I even had WoW running on the laptop for a while.

[crenn]

http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20081028/ap_on_hi_te/tec_microsoft

A little more, and this comment interests me:


Addressing another complaint about Vista, Microsoft said Windows 7 will be faster and need less memory to run. Vista generally needs costlier hardware configurations than the older Windows XP.
Sinofsky held up a "netbook" — a low-cost, low-power laptop that would have a hard time running Vista — and said it's working with Windows 7.

[nevermind1534]

don't worry, they'll fatten it up.

[crenn]

I don't think they will too much ;)

[AMD Killa]

Computers designed for business use generally have a higher benchmark than home use pc's. Therefore, they run Vista better.

It's not just security benefits, several architectures were re-written. The audio sub-system, the bluetooth stack, the kernel, and the networking sub-sytems were all re-written for stability and performance.

It's not that I hate XP, it's just that I'm used to Vista.

[phen0m]

I hope not to many things change from Vista. I have just recently familiarized myself with the directories and batch commands which were pretty different from XP. If we are lucky, windows7 will just revert some things back to XP.

[AMD Killa]

Well they are changing the user interface again. Supposed to be more refined than Vista. Also, they are trying to bring the ribbon interface in as well.

Should be better. But Vista should have had all that already.

[crenn]

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/10435/insight_to_the_progress_of_windows_7/index.html

Another article.

[eslfish]

I think it's gunna be amazing, hopefully it won't be buggy, we'll just wait and see

[nevermind1534]

Vista isn't buggy, as it seems that you are implying. Some software and drivers were, but the OS itself is probably the most stable Windows, apart from server 2008.

[Durrthock]

Use vista long term, I have had almost no problems with it. And certainly not more than I would have had with xp. I ran xp for 5 years, and Ive had a much easier time running vista. Xp isn't the tech god you guys make it out to be. It started ****ty too. Some of the main people who use vista are the people that obsess about 3 fps in games, and they go on and tell everyone it sucks because you get 3 less fps. Well no **** you get 3 less fps, theres more features in every way.
It the same people I hate, the same people that wont play a game because the graphics are the "best". If they even play a game at all besides tweaking their rigs to get 100 more point in 3d mark. As ive said before, there is nothing wrong with vista, its stable, it works. Xp is dated...

[mittelmeier]

I like Vista as long as the machine is good enough to run Vista. If Windows 7 is going to use less resources than Vista, I'll wait to upgrade my desktop. My wife's laptop with Vista would run faster with XP but it runs fast enough with Vista. I wouldn't try to put it on a laptop with less ran than hers and that means not on my current desktop either.

I think Microsoft will have it right this time with Windows 7. If they would've waited just a bit longer for all the drivers to support them, they could've avoided a lot of headaches. And they are going to get resistance to any new OS no matter how much better than the previous version it is because a lot of people don't want change. I've been trying to get my uncle to try XP for ages. I even offered him a licensed copy and he won't take it. He's still using Windows 98 because he's used to it and doesn't want to change. Anyways, if they do it right and have everything ready to support to support Windows 7 they should be fine if it has good changes like using less system resources and less bloatware.

[crenn]

More Links:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=579
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1676
http://www.istartedsomething.com/20081013/winhec-2008-agenda-confirms-native-vhd-suppor/
http://activewin.com/reviews/previews/windows7/ (REVIEW)

[J-Roc]

Vista is/was a stepping stone much like Win2000 & Win ME was to XP. Its a way for MS to make a little money while they sort out the major issues of the new architecture there trying to impliment.

I'm 99% positive Win7 will be 64bit only. Vista helped to smooth out the transition.

[Xpirate]

I doubt that Windows 7 will be 64 bit only. They want it to run on those little netbooks.

[crenn]

I don't think Win7 will be 64-bit only. Unless netbooks can support 64 bit....

[nevermind1534]

They are starting to come with the Intel atom processor, some of which can support 64-bit, and I believe that all of the nehalem versions of it will, as well. Remember, too, that they are still letting them load xp on them.

[progbuddy]

It seems like M$ is pulling the same crap that Apple did a few years ago. Every six month's, hand out an operating system that costs 200 dollars. This is gonna be it. I'm completely moving to Linux once windows 7 comes out.

[crenn]

If you're going to move to Linux when Windows 7 comes out... why wait?

And to be honest, it's not like Microsoft has released an operating system every 6 months.

[crenn]

Another link (which has another link)
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/10442/windows_7_walkthrough_and_videos/index.html

[progbuddy]

If you're going to move to Linux when Windows 7 comes out... why wait?

And to be honest, it's not like Microsoft has released an operating system every 6 months.

Well, considering that the time frames keep getting shorter (3.1 to 95 took a while; 98 just added FAT32 to 95; 2000 was NT, and ME was utter crap. XP was about the best they've done) I think they are going to begin to do it.

[nevermind1534]

They did have windows 96 and 97, but those were never actually released. Windows 95 B added fat32 support before 98. Microsoft has had many OSes that were never released, although I'm not saying that 7 won't be.

[progbuddy]

They did have windows 96 and 97, but those were never actually released. Windows 95 B added fat32 support before 98. Microsoft has had many OSes that were never released, although I'm not saying that 7 won't be.

From all the stuff I see, it is geared towards UMPCs and tablets...

[crenn]

http://xenomorph.net/microsoft-windows/windows-release-dates/

Enjoy.

[crenn]

Video Preview

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/10464/get_a_look_at_the_new_windows_7_desktop_videos/index.html

[phen0m]

Before Video:
I hope that the GUI is fairly different from Vista. I can't stand it. Especially the windows' borders. The transparent stuff isn't for me.


After Video:
I hate that! Its the exact same as Vista. The taskbar is even bigger (which was too big) and the windows have that same lame border. The guy tried to explain what the "new" ( actually means it moved to the right with increased icon spacing ) quick launch menu is, its sooooooooo stupid. If I can get past the overall GUI then I might consider risking my money for something that might be as horrible as Vista. Shame on MS for being too lazy to make a decent GUI.