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walterbieber
11-25-2008, 04:16 AM
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I Am Building A Comp. With limeted Knowledge, So Some Basic And Primitive Advice Would Go Along Way With Me. Please Help A New Modder Out! Im Kind Of Strapped For Cash ATM So I Don't Want To Buy The Wrong Things. Also If You Have Any Suggestions On Better Things Then Do Not Hesitate To Tell Me.

Corsair CMPSU-1000HX 1000-Watt Power Supply - ATX, 140mm Fan, SATA-Ready, SLI Ready

EVGA GeForce GTX 280 Video Card - Superclocked Edition, 1GB GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0, FREE Special Edition EVGA Precision Overclocking Utility, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV

EVGA nForce 790i SLI FTW Motherboard - NVIDIA nForce 790i SLI, Socket 775, ATX, Audio, PCI Express 2.0, Dual Gigabit LAN, S/PDIF, USB 2.0, Firewire, Serial ATA, RAID, eSATA

Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9770 Processor - BX80569QX9770, 45nm, 3.20GHz, 12MB Cache, 1600MHz FSB, Yorkfield XE, Quad-Core, Retail, Socket 775, Processor

OCZ SLI 2048MB PC16000 DDR3 2000MHz Memory (2 x 1024MB)
Or The
Patriot Viper Tri Channel 6GB PC12800 DDR3 Memory - 1600MHz, 6144MB (3 x2048)

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 1TB Hard Drive - 7200RPM, 32MB, SATA-300, OEM

nevermind1534
11-25-2008, 12:46 PM
You could go Nehalem. I don't think the price difference would be too great. If I wasn't at school right now, I would finf the parts for you, but your current list looks decent. If you use a Nehalem CPU, get the patriot RAM.

walterbieber
11-25-2008, 04:10 PM
You could go Nehalem. I don't think the price difference would be too great. If I wasn't at school right now, I would finf the parts for you, but your current list looks decent. If you use a Nehalem CPU, get the patriot RAM.





Thanks For The Advice But What Exactly Could You Tell Me About Nehalem? Also It Is Cheaper Than The Quad Core.

markkleb
11-25-2008, 08:14 PM
its really important to define what the comp is used for very first thing.

another good idea is to mention if you would like to start off with a good platform so you can upgrade later on or will you probably leave the comp the way it is for a long time

1 important thing is your budget and LCD size.

walterbieber
11-25-2008, 08:52 PM
It Will Mostly Be Used To Game And Surf The Web. I Am Planning To Keep It The Same For A While. And Mostlikley Two 19" Screens. Also Budget Does Not Really Matter, Because This Is Just Ideas For A Computer.

jaxspades
11-26-2008, 02:42 PM
Well, the first check is what operating system are you using?

If it's vista, you need to do your homework and see if that hardware is compliant with Vista.

If no Vista for you, you should be fine...

Anyways, check the motherboard first, and make sure that it has the proper ports for the rest of the hardware--that the mobo socket fits the processor and what not; after that, make sure in the motherboard's manual, which can alot of the times be found on the manufacturer's website, that the mobo supports the other hardware you want to use, if it might need a newer BIOS, etc...if all of those components are supported by the mobo, I think you might be set.

Jax

gramatton
11-26-2008, 02:58 PM
That patriot memory is nice, but I think you would have to have an x58 board to run it since it is tri-channel.

walterbieber
11-26-2008, 06:55 PM
Asus Rampage II Extreme Motherboard - Intel X58, LGA 1366, ATX, Audio, PCI Express 2.0, CrossFire Ready, SLI Ready, Dual Gigabit LAN, S/PDIF, Firewire, USB 2.0, Serial ATA, RAID


Corsair CMPSU-1000HX 1000-Watt Power Supply - ATX, 140mm Fan, SATA-Ready, SLI Ready (Any Better Ideas For The PSU?)


Killer M1


EVGA GeForce GTX 280 Video Card - 1GB GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0, FREE Special Edition EVGA Precision Overclocking Utility, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, Dual VGA Support


Patriot Viper Tri Channel 6GB PC12800 DDR3 Memory - 1600MHz, 6144MB (3 x 2048) (Planning For 2 Sets Of These, 6 Sticks Total)


Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 1TB Hard Drive - 7200RPM, 32MB, SATA-300, OEM


Intel Core i7 965 Processor Extreme Edition BX80601965 - 3.20GHz, 8MB L3 Cache, 6.4GT/s QPI, Hyper Threading, Quad-Core, Bloomfield, LGA 1366, Unlocked Multiplier, Retail, Processor with Fan


I Am Not Sure If I Want VISTA Or To Stay With The XP Generation. So Senior Modders Advice Is Needed. I Don't Want Personel Experience, I Would Like To Know Which Would Be Better For This Computer. Also Having A Hard Time Picking Out A Case!


Total Cost: 3039.93 (Without Tax)

markkleb
11-26-2008, 07:01 PM
It Will Mostly Be Used To Game And Surf The Web. I Am Planning To Keep It The Same For A While. And Mostlikley Two 19" Screens. Also Budget Does Not Really Matter, Because This Is Just Ideas For A Computer.

The comp you picked is quite a bit of overkill for what you want. A dual core would be plenty (AMD or Intel) If you are new to OCing and arent planning on it than an AMD X2 6400 would be fine.

If you use a 32bit OS than 2 gigs of memory would be fine. Right now there are some excellent values in hardware (ATI 4830s are one a pair in Crossfire kicks ass)

You should be looking at $1200-1500 range.

One other point is a case, what is your style? Plain, elegant,flashy?

Killer M1 is a waste of money

walterbieber
11-26-2008, 09:16 PM
Well The "Style" I Want For The Case Is Like A Sleek And Elegent, Black Case. Also I Want This Comp. To Be The Best Around, So It Needs To Be Capable Of Runing The Latest Games On Full Settings. Why Is The Killer M1 A Waste Of Money? Why Is This Overkill?

nevermind1534
11-26-2008, 10:56 PM
Newegg has the killer on sale for $100 off right now. Unless you are using your computer as a server for a game that you have many players in, there won't be much of a difference. Even then, there's not a huge difference. If money is no object, go ahead and get it.

markkleb
11-26-2008, 11:54 PM
Well The "Style" I Want For The Case Is Like A Sleek And Elegent, Black Case. Also I Want This Comp. To Be The Best Around, So It Needs To Be Capable Of Runing The Latest Games On Full Settings. Why Is The Killer M1 A Waste Of Money? Why Is This Overkill?

Take a look at Lian Li or Silverstone for the case, M1 dosent do much at all.

There is no such thing as "best" by the time you build it there will be better cheaper stuff. Best to get Best Value for your money so its not wasted.

walterbieber
11-27-2008, 03:13 AM
Take a look at Lian Li or Silverstone for the case, M1 dosent do much at all.

There is no such thing as "best" by the time you build it there will be better cheaper stuff. Best to get Best Value for your money so its not wasted.



Well By Around I Mean Around Me. And The People I Play With. So It Has To Be Better Then Thier Computers. Which It Will. Lol. I Was Thinking About The Lian Li but I'll Check Out The Silverstones To Thanks.
UPDATE


I Want The
Silverstone Temjin TJ09-B Black Aluminum ATX Case With Front USB, FireWire and Audio Ports
Any Reasons Not To? Will The Mainboard Fit In It?

nevermind1534
11-28-2008, 03:30 PM
As long as it's not a micro atx case, the motherboard should fit.

jaxspades
12-01-2008, 03:47 PM
Alright, I have one question...are you a hardcore gamer?

If you are, do not get Vista. It's not worth it, because I have even tried installing the 'hotfixes' for vista that allow for more games (like Fable:the Lost Chapters), but it will not install the hotfix, so...yeah. Plus, MS is about to unleash Windows 7, so...Vista might be a bad idea.

Also, XP generally is easier to troubleshoot and has more support for a variety of programs and products; however, I have not heard word of how DX10(the newest gaming API) works on XP.

It comes down to a personal choice--do you want to learn a whole new system with vista and live with the fact that some things just do not work with Vista? Or do you want XP which might soon be too obsolete for new software and hardware?

Of course, there is always a thrid party solution for every MS problem...

and there's always Linux. Which has support for almost everything now adays.

Finally, again, did you read the online manual for the motherboard? You gotta see what hardware the mobo supports and you have to make sure all of the pins/slots match up properly.

walterbieber
12-01-2008, 04:51 PM
Alright, I have one question...are you a hardcore gamer?

If you are, do not get Vista. It's not worth it, because I have even tried installing the 'hotfixes' for vista that allow for more games (like Fable:the Lost Chapters), but it will not install the hotfix, so...yeah. Plus, MS is about to unleash Windows 7, so...Vista might be a bad idea.

Also, XP generally is easier to troubleshoot and has more support for a variety of programs and products; however, I have not heard word of how DX10(the newest gaming API) works on XP.

It comes down to a personal choice--do you want to learn a whole new system with vista and live with the fact that some things just do not work with Vista? Or do you want XP which might soon be too obsolete for new software and hardware?

Of course, there is always a thrid party solution for every MS problem...

and there's always Linux. Which has support for almost everything now adays.

Finally, again, did you read the online manual for the motherboard? You gotta see what hardware the mobo supports and you have to make sure all of the pins/slots match up properly.


No I Am Not A Hardcore Gamer Because I Do Not Have A Hardcore Gaming Rig (Until I Build This One)
This Is The Motherboard....
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4303010

I Could Not Find And OS Info For It Though. Not Sure What OS To Use, Never Even Heard Of Windows 7. Thanks It Will Keep Me Thinking

Vital
12-01-2008, 07:58 PM
Like others said if money is no object then go for the best, but my PC cost around 750, and can run any game at more than a playable frame rate. And if you are going to go for the expensive parts, go for the latest.

jaxspades
12-02-2008, 02:49 PM
Not a bad motherboard...

I'm checking everything out for you now. I understand your pain, I was lost at first too. :)

It seems that this is one of the latest boards out there...it has a lot of nice features--don't overclock it, even though it allows it, until you know what you are doing...anyways, on to read manuals and specs. :D

Okay, I finished looking at the full specs of the motherboard...I think all of those pieces should work just fine together, except for the OCS 2000MHz memory--the board is only rated for up to 1800.

I like all the components so far, it should be a great Pc...I just have to check the proc yet and you'll be set.

Windows 7 is not out yet. It will be...remember Windows ME? where it was like a beta you PAID for just to use, only to find out it was only a test product? Yeah, Vista is like that...It functions and does quite a bit, but the full Os version of Vista will finally be realized in Windows 7.

Sorry, dude, that processor won't work. the Core 2 duo you selected is made for an LGA775 slot. Your motherboard has an LGA1366 slot. They won't work together.

Here is a list of processors supported by the board (Intel i7 series) that fit the LGA 1366 slot that sits on your board.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=40000343&Description=Intel%20i7&name=Processors%20-%20Desktops

nevermind1534
12-02-2008, 06:01 PM
Okay, I finished looking at the full specs of the motherboard...I think all of those pieces should work just fine together, except for the OCS 2000MHz memory--the board is only rated for up to 1800.

the memory will downclock to 1800. It will also help if he ever decides to overclock.


Windows 7 is not out yet. It will be...remember Windows ME? where it was like a beta you PAID for just to use, only to find out it was only a test product? Yeah, Vista is like that...It functions and does quite a bit, but the full Os version of Vista will finally be realized in Windows 7.

I disagree. xp was released very soon after ME, and had many drastic changes. It was also what finally switched the home editions from the win9x kernel to the nt kernel, and made the version with the year server only. I do agree with you that ME shouldn't have been released.

walterbieber
12-02-2008, 08:24 PM
Hey JaxSpades Thanks Alot For All The Help And Checking Out My Components. That Is Really Nice Of You. And No I Will Not OC. I Learned That If You Do Not Have The Money To Replace An Item If It Breakes, Then You Could Not Replace It If It's Destroyed While OCing. So Don't OC Anything You Could Not Replace. Thats My Motto. Oh And That Processor Was For When I Was Getting A Different Motherboard. I Updated The Post A While Ago Wanting

The Intel Core i7 965 Processor Extreme Edition BX80601965 - 3.20GHz

nevermind1534
12-02-2008, 08:27 PM
Don't get an extreme edition if you're not going to overclock. The extreme editions have unlocked multipliers, but that will ONLY help if you are doing some heavy overclocking. Unless you're getting it to say that you have an extreme edition, get the regular one, as the extreme won't really benefit you.

walterbieber
12-02-2008, 08:30 PM
Don't get an extreme edition if you're not going to overclock. The extreme editions have unlocked multipliers, but that will ONLY help if you are doing some heavy overclocking. Unless you're getting it to say that you have an extreme edition, get the regular one, as the extreme won't really benefit you.

I Want It So That I Can Get More GHz's. It Has 3.2 While The Others Have High 2. something GHz's

nevermind1534
12-02-2008, 09:17 PM
Ok. I haven't really looked through the i7s yet, so I just assumed that it was the same thing as the core 2s.

walterbieber
12-02-2008, 09:37 PM
Thaks Ok.

jaxspades
12-03-2008, 02:36 PM
Cool! Should be a good system then. Like I said, get XP, Linux or wait for 7...I think it's supposed to come out next year. Especially since Vista may take you a while to learn if you haven't already and it can be a nuisance if you don't know what you are doing...

But if you do get Vista, and need help, just drop me a PM or post on the board...someone will help you.

nevermind1534
12-04-2008, 12:36 PM
I don't think Vista is bad, as long as you have up to date drivers and a computer good enough to run it. I've had Ultimate on my computer for about a month, now and I like it.

jaxspades
12-05-2008, 04:34 PM
Mine is up to date and has all the drivers and I still can't run fable. I found a hotfix for it and vista told me that microsoft's own file wasn't compatible with vista...it's not that bad, but it ain't great either.

I just run into problems that I end having to spend hours of searching for hotfixs and security updates and what have you just to keep this thing able to do SOMETHING. I liked XP better.