Windows 7 BETA

[crenn]

I know that it's been online unofficially in several places, but I have good news if you're wanting the official Windows 7 BETA. It's being released on Friday. But, if you have a TechNet or MSDN subscription, you can get it right now.

From what I've heard, it's a great experience so far and runs better than XP in some cases. I can't wait until friday comes so I can download it and try it for myself.

EDIT:

Windows 7 BETA x86 ISO (http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/3/3/633118BD-6C3D-45A4-B985-F0FDFFE1B021/EN/7000.0.081212-1400_client_en-us_Ultimate-GB1CULFRE_EN_DVD.ISO)

Windows 7 BETA x64 ISO (http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/3/3/633118BD-6C3D-45A4-B985-F0FDFFE1B021/EN/7000.0.081212-1400_client_en-us_Ultimate-GB1CULXFRE_EN_DVD.ISO)

Go HERE (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/) to get your key and image for the beta.

[The boy 4rm oz]

Yeah looks pretty good. Is there a list of system requirements floating around? I don't want to try it on my main rig cos I have found BETA versions of OS;s to screw with everything else. If possible I want to try it on my secondary rig.

[crenn]

My friend is running it on a fairly low-end system and he's loving it.

[The boy 4rm oz]

Cool, a P4 2.4GHZ and 1GB of RAM may be able to pull it off lol.

[crenn]

Beware, it's only for the first 2.5 million downloads!

[The boy 4rm oz]

Do you have a link to the download?

[Mitternacht]

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/default.aspx

I'd watch this page tomorrow for the download link.

[The boy 4rm oz]

Thanks Mitter, I will be watching that space. I thought it was released today cos It is already Friday here, I forgot we are in front of the US.

[crenn]

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/default.aspx

I'd watch this page tomorrow for the download link.
That is the page to watch:
http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windows7/archive/2009/01/07/information-on-downloading-and-installing-windows-7-beta.aspx

[The boy 4rm oz]

I'll watch both, thanks for the link crenn.

[The boy 4rm oz]

Looks like you can only use it on a Windows Vista based machine, looks like I will be doing some serious backing up lol. The good thing is it lasts to August 1st, 2009.

[The boy 4rm oz]

It's a 2.7GB download according to TechPowerUp, I'm gonna give it a miss.

[The boy 4rm oz]

Here is some light reading:
http://www.techpowerup.com/81372/Windows_7_Beta_Suffers_from_MP3_Corruption_Bug_Bef ore_it_Even_Reaches_the_Public.html

[XcOM]

dammit, server is busy.

but i can confirm the last build i had running under a VM (Sun Java Sand Box running under Linux 2.6 ran sweet with 768 ram and 1 core at 2.2GHz)

[crenn]

Thanks for your interest in the Windows 7 Beta. The volume has been phenomenal—we're in the process of adding more servers to handle the demand. We're sorry for the delay and we'll re-post the Beta as soon as we can ensure a quality download experience.

Due to very heavy traffic we’re seeing as a result of interest in the Windows 7 Beta, we are adding some additional infrastructure support to the Microsoft.com properties before we post the public beta. We want to ensure customers have the best possible experience when downloading the beta, and I’ll be posting here again soon once the beta goes live. Stay tuned! We are excited that you are excited!

Seems we have to wait a little longer.

[Mitternacht]

Seems we have to wait a little longer.
I noticed that too. right now I'm getting the 6519 build from piratebay just in case it doesn't come back up on Microsoft's site.

[crenn]

Trust me, it WILL come back on the Microsoft website, and I'll be waiting for it.

[Mitternacht]

Trust me, it WILL come back on the Microsoft website, and I'll be waiting for it.
I meant to say in case it doesn't come up tonight. My bad.

[The boy 4rm oz]

I am interested on seeing how it runs. Over at Bit-Tech we have a Jetway C7 that is water cooled, encased in CF and will be running Windows 7 lol. Hopefully I can get myself a copy.

[crenn]

Links would be great ;)

EDIT: I found a blog with instructions to get a Windows 7 BETA Key, and they no longer work, Microsoft has PHYSICALLY removed the sites so it goes to Windows Live Search. The most amusing thing is.... I think Microsoft.com is experiencing an accidental DDOS due to people wanting to try out Windows 7!

[The boy 4rm oz]

You want a link ey:
http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=159236&page=28
John is a recently converted member here on the forums but I forgot what alias he is running.

[noopypoop]

Is there still any way to get a key or were they all given away? I ended up just downloading the torrent because I didnt want to wait for MS to setup new servers :alien:

[CodyOdiOdi]

Why not just go to torrentz.com and download the beta from there?
That's what I'm doing anyway...

[crenn]

Because most of the torrents have been modified and have things such as keyloggers and a few other nasty things.

[crenn]

Sorry to double post, but I've updated the front page of this thread with the download links from microsoft servers.

[The boy 4rm oz]

Sadly at 3.2GB I am going to have to give it a miss.

[crenn]

I'm having to give it a miss for now because of the fact Telstra gives us no capping, after 60GB, it goes on 'forever'... however we get charged excess. And at $150/GB... not cheap either.

EDIT:

I have my keys finally!

[crenn]

Sorry for the triple post but the beta is now officially up:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/

[noopypoop]

I ended up giving up because my wireless drivers wouldn't work so I couldn't even use the internet. All of they eye candy was disabled because I didn't have the drivers for my graphics card(which I cant download without internet)

[Mitternacht]

I'm installing on my HP laptop right now. I'm gonna go test drive the 64-bit OS since I've never dealt with a 64-bit OS before.

[The boy 4rm oz]

Post up some screen shots when your done.

[mtekk]

Have it up and running on my laptop (64bit version), seems they've changed the experience index a little bit. This is the first 64bit Windows installation I've ever had. They've messed up ftp support in windows explorer it looks like (couldn't FTP in to my webhost when I tried to). Here's three screenshots:

http://mtekk.weblogs.us/wp-content/uploads/windows7screenshot1.jpg
http://mtekk.weblogs.us/wp-content/uploads/windows7screenshot11.jpg
http://mtekk.weblogs.us/wp-content/uploads/windows7screenshot2.jpg

For my Vostro 1400, the only driver I had to manually install was my audio driver so that the built in speakers would work (for some reason MS' driver didn't work for that). The MS driver for my intel wireless abgn card seems to work for 2.4Ghz wireless n, which the intel driver used to not allow.

Boot up time wise, its not much faster than Vista, and performance wise, its about the same (I need to put my Vista drive back in so I can compare some numbers). Boinc thinks it's about 200 operations/s faster for both floating point and integer, but that may be due to me limiting, through power management to 90% max CPU speed (have to double check it).

[The boy 4rm oz]

Looks damn fine IMO, much more refined than Vista. When it is actually released as a full OS I will build a new PC to run it lol.

[Drum Thumper]

For some reason, Micro$oft doesn't like to play well with Firefox. Those bastards!

[crenn]

Most of the geeks just took apart the script and downloaded it with firefox.

[mtekk]

I had no problem downloading it with Firefox, I think you need that stupid silverlight extension for it to work. The direct links work as well ;)

[Drum Thumper]

I had no problem downloading it with Firefox, I think you need that stupid silverlight extension for it to work. The direct links work as well ;)

Downloading the 64 bit version now. I've no time to find the direct links at the moment, care to throw me a bone?

[crenn]

I had no problem downloading it with Firefox, I think you need that stupid silverlight extension for it to work. The direct links work as well ;)
Silverlight isn't the problem, activeX is the problem!

[mtekk]

Silverlight isn't the problem, activeX is the problem!

Firefox, complained about needing Silverlight for me, maybe they changed it (or I wasn't very observant as all I cared about was the key (already had the ISO thanks to a direct link)). Either way, activeX and Silverlight are both problems if you ask me.

@DrumThumper: See crenn's first post on this thread, he updated it with working links. The link I used was on theinquirer.net, it's the same as crenn's links.

Oh, I should warn you guys about this, if you already do not know. There is a patch that is not on the ISO that you should apply before doing anything else. There is a bug with Mediaplayer/Explorer that will remove the first second or two of sound from MP3 files on unpatched systems. See Microsoft KB961367 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/961367).

Links for the patch:

32-bit KB961367 patch (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=a754008b-d574-4e39-b4ba-67b859a242b7)

64-bit KB961367 patch (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=0c56bf3c-9370-4fda-b4c8-5dc63d55626d)

And no, unfortunately, this was not on windows update as of last night.

[XcOM]

that problem only exists if you edit the meta tags.

other than that its fine.

[Mitternacht]

Are you guys working with firefox 2 or 3?

[Drum Thumper]

Are you guys working with firefox 2 or 3?

3.0.5 here. I've got the 64 bit version downloaded, just need the 32 bit.
--Edit: got it working via IE7.

[mtekk]

that problem only exists if you edit the meta tags.

other than that its fine.

Yet, a workaround suggested by MS was to make MP3 files read-only.


Are you guys working with firefox 2 or 3?

I'm running Firefox 3.

[Mitternacht]

ok, I'm running Firefox 2.0.0.20 and its flawless so far.

[The boy 4rm oz]

Microsoft announce unlimited downloads and keys of Windows 7 BETA until the 24th Jan 09:
http://www.techpowerup.com/81694/Microsoft_Scraps_Windows_7_Beta_1_Download_Cap.htm l

[Mitternacht]

Microsoft announce unlimited downloads and keys of Windows 7 BETA until the 24th Jan 09:
http://www.techpowerup.com/81694/Microsoft_Scraps_Windows_7_Beta_1_Download_Cap.htm l

maybe they didn't reach their 2.5 million quota?

[Liquid_Scope_99]

why does it want me to sign in to hotmail ?

[The boy 4rm oz]

maybe they didn't reach their 2.5 million quota?

I think the quota was filled. Their servers did go down due to so many people wanting to download it. I think they are overwhelmed at the interest showed for the BETA.

[NightrainSrt4]

Well I am glad they still have it up for download, although it wouldn't have been too big an issue, as I've had my keys since like day one. BUT, I had a total brain fart until just now and didn't really care to pursue it. I forgot once again that most everything microsoft has a hissyfit unless you use IE. That would be why clicking the download link did nothing for me on FF on 3 separate computers lmfao. All fixed and downloading, 3 sets of keys later...

[XcOM]

it dosen't have to be hotmail, i logged in with my gmail account, it just needs to be a passport account, this way it helps prevent bots mass registering for keys


why does it want me to sign in to hotmail ?

[crenn]

it dosen't have to be hotmail, i logged in with my gmail account, it just needs to be a passport account, this way it helps prevent bots mass registering for keys

Not that bots would really help, that site last time I checked generated only 10 keys. 5 32-bit and 5 64-bit.

[Killdrath]

How is everyone liking the beta?

I've been running it for almost 6 months now, and man am I happy. I had/have it installed on my dual core 1.8 laptop with 1.5gb ram, and was playing WoW (before I quit in Nov) at 30 fps. No way Vista could have done that.

Mainly, I'm curious of any MAJOR bugs you find, so I can take them in and report them to the devs. Yes, I work for MS (I work in the win7 client and server performance lab).

You guys have NO idea how happy I am to have this thing go public beta!

[nevermind1534]

I like it ok. I don't like that COD 4 won't run in it (x64, at least), but, for the most part, it's nice. The taskbar will take a little getting used to.

[XcOM]

thats the bit i don't like, i hate the fact that the taskbar sorts items into there forms, all folders together ect ect.

I do however like how when you hover your mouse over at item it glows according to the primary colour in the program icon, and how a progess bar window also shows its progress bar in the taskbar so you can min it and still see its progress.

aover all i think its good, feels punchier than vista, i havent ripped the kernel apart yet to see how different it is to vista's

when it reaches RC1 i will install it on my laptop and see whats been changed, but until then its going to stay in my VM

[SXRguyinMA]

I've downloaded it, going ti install is on my spare HDD and give it a shot sooner or later...gott figure out my DVD drive issue though :think:

it says DVD+R on the drive, and I've tried both DVD+r and DVD-R discs, and when I try to burn it says "incompatible format" or something to that effect

[nevermind1534]

I've downloaded it, going ti install is on my spare HDD and give it a shot sooner or later...gott figure out my DVD drive issue though :think:

it says DVD+R on the drive, and I've tried both DVD+r and DVD-R discs, and when I try to burn it says "incompatible format" or something to that effect

Want me to send you a DVD of it?

[SXRguyinMA]

that would be awesome :bowdown: thanks!

[crenn]

I'm currently installing Windows 7 on my uni laptop (It's a hybrid tablet) over the network. Who needs physical media? xD

[XcOM]

stuff this, regarding the post in the OS forum saying that W7 is vista with SP2 im going to rip the kernel apart tonight to see if there are any traces of vista in there.

[crenn]

stuff this, regarding the post in the OS forum saying that W7 is vista with SP2 im going to rip the kernel apart tonight to see if there are any traces of vista in there.
From what I've heard, you should be looking for traces of Server 2008.

[XcOM]

that is correct, i've got the two kernels on my machine, and im going through them now, in the vista kernel you can see its come from server 2003 which is waht vista was built on, the latest windows always uses the last kernel as a base.

And in Win 7 you can see the server 2008 bits, you can also see bits taken from vista, it looks almost as if the windows 7 kernel has had a redesign, it seems more efficient, streamlined so to speak,

As said above it looks like a redesign, i would guess at this stage that they haven't built it upon vista, but used parts from vista that worked, then tweaked them to perform better than before.

Hence why this version of windows runs soo well on a VM, i would give this windows the thumbs up.

[crenn]

Well, I've got my Toshiba Portege M200 running almost flawlessly with Windows 7. The only problematic device is the SD Card reader. Getting a "Code 30" on it. I'm thinking the drivers could be corrupt, but I'm not sure how/where to get new drivers to try.

[XcOM]

see if you can get server 2008 drivers, or vista drivers, if microsoft carryon there tradition they OS shouold support previous gen drivers, 95 could use 3.1 (Some times) me could use 9x, 2k could use NT, xp could use 2k, some vista drives liked xp drivers.

you might get lucky

[crenn]

I tried XP drivers and it resolved the problem to an extent... but I had a different problem then.

EDIT: I should mention this is an old tablet PC. It has a Pentium M 1.6GHz, 2GB of DDR (no, not DDR2) and a Geforce FX 5200

[noopypoop]

I've downloaded it, going ti install is on my spare HDD and give it a shot sooner or later...gott figure out my DVD drive issue though :think:

it says DVD+R on the drive, and I've tried both DVD+r and DVD-R discs, and when I try to burn it says "incompatible format" or something to that effect

If you setup winrar to handle ISOs, then you can run the setup from within windows.

At least that's what worked for me.

[TheGreatSatan]

I downloaded the 64-bit version yesterday and will install it soon on a P4 system

[mtekk]

see if you can get server 2008 drivers, or vista drivers, if microsoft carryon there tradition they OS shouold support previous gen drivers, 95 could use 3.1 (Some times) me could use 9x, 2k could use NT, xp could use 2k, some vista drives liked xp drivers.

you might get lucky

I used a 64bit Vista driver in W7 Beta 1 for my sound, and everything worked. The biggest thing was Vista introduced a new driver model which broke most XP drivers. All Vista drivers, in theory, should work with W7 as the driver model did not change.

[nevermind1534]

Everything worked for me, too, except for the sound, which I downloaded.

[Datech]

I installed it on a work computer a second ago, a new Vostro 420, and I was amazed how quick it took. It automatically adjusted the screen to 1440x900, then promptly notified me that there was a GFX driver update that knocks the 22" monitor up to 1680x1050. It immediately found the network connection without any drivers (try that with XP...), and immediately notified me that I was on companydomain.com's domain, and that I should probably choose the Work Network setting.

The only thing I had a problem with was Network Discovery and Print Servers. On Vista, with the Work Network setting configured, I went to Add Printers and Browsed the network, and it found our Print Server and configured the printers immediately. On 7, it wouldn't find the print server at all, but actually found one of the printers directly through its internal static IP address. No matter what I did, I couldn't get it to recognize the print server, which is also a secondary DC (WS2003), and since it is BETA I just gave up.

[The boy 4rm oz]

Bit-Tech have done a performance review:
http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/software/2009/01/16/windows-7-beta-performance/1
It doesn't performs too badly, pretty good for a BETA.

[xmastree]

For some reason, Micro$oft doesn't like to play well with Firefox. Those bastards!

That's interesting. I'm trying it and I couldn't open this site with IE but it works fine with firefox (3.0.5).
Well, I could open the forum but if I tried to view a thread, I got a blank page.

What I don't have is sound. :(
http://support.asus.com/download/download_item.aspx?product=1&model=K8V-VM%20Ultra

And where does one get a product key from?

[Killdrath]

The product keys for the beta are gotten through the same MS page where you download the bits.

I may not be one of the developers, but seeing the beta going so well makes me proud. I'm just the hardware guy, buy I know everyone on the team has put a lot of love into the new version.

And yes, your analysis of the kernel was pretty darned spot-on. As for the network discovery and the print server, well, if I recall, that process has changed slightly and is still being tweaked internally.

[xmastree]

The product keys for the beta are gotten through the same MS page where you download the bits.
I downloaded the ISO's from here (http://www.thebestcasescenario.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224863&postcount=1)

[Killdrath]

OK, to get a beta key, go HERE (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/beta-download.aspx).

According to the FAQ, when you download the beta (after signing in with a live account) you will be given a key that works on up to 3 machines.

[xmastree]

OK, thanks. got it now.

[crenn]

OK, to get a beta key, go HERE (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/beta-download.aspx).

According to the FAQ, when you download the beta (after signing in with a live account) you will be given a key that works on up to 3 machines.
Wrong, you've be given a key that everyone is getting from that site. Don't believe me? I'm PM you the start of all the keys (not the full keys).

EDIT:

What's bad?
When you have all windows 7 BETA keys.
What's worse?
You have them all memorised.
What's even worse?
You know the date and time when you got each one.

[XcOM]

.......
What's bad?
When you have all windows 7 BETA keys.
What's worse?
You have them all memorised.
What's even worse?
You know the date and time when you got each one.

whats worse than that,

when you have the following keys memorisied, along with the build numbers to match:

Windows 98SE,
Windows 2000 Pro
Windows 2000 Server
Windows XP Pro
Windows Vista Prem
Windows Vista Ulti
Windows Server 2003 Standard

Office 97
Office 2003
Visual Studio 6 Enterprise Edition

never had to look at a product key sticker in quite a few years.

edit:

what can i say, i like reinstalling my pc, and i also like playing with different OS's, one month i may fancy playing with win98, next month i may fancy playing with vista.

the only pc that remains is my laptop, has ubuntu on it, even though acer said it couldn't be done, all i did was e-mail them asking for the exact hardware inside as the gfx card wasn't detected and windows showed me the generic nvidia chipset drivers and would'nt tell me what it was.

[nevermind1534]

I didn't have sound until I downloaded the HD audio codec from realtek.

[xmastree]

I didn't have sound until I downloaded the HD audio codec from realtek.

Ooh, got a url for that? I have a realtek sound chip (I think) and no sounds with Win7.

Why is it 7 anyway?
There was 3, (incl. 3.1, 3.11,) then 95(4), 98(5), ME(6), XP(7), Vista(8) so we should be on 9 by now.

[nevermind1534]

Ooh, got a url for that? I have a realtek sound chip (I think) and no sounds with Win7.

http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsCheck.aspx?Langid=1&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3

Download the Vista .exe

Why is it 7 anyway?
There was 3, (incl. 3.1, 3.11,) then 95(4), 98(5), ME(6), XP(7), Vista(8) so we should be on 9 by now.

no, they're going by the NT kernal versions (NT 3.1, NT 4, 2000 (NT 5), xp (NT 5.1 or something like that), vista (NT 6), windows 7 (NT 7)

I hope that answers your questions.

[XcOM]

yep, you got it one, ther going by kernel versions,

and xp was kernal 5.1, 2000 was 5.0, hence why i keep telling people 2000 IS xp, just without the flashy gfx

[nevermind1534]

And xp added system restore to NT.

[Spawn-Inc]

i'm guessing the 32bit W7 only sees 3 gb 's of ram as well?

[mtekk]

no, they're going by the NT kernal versions (NT 3.1, NT 4, 2000 (NT 5), xp (NT 5.1 or something like that), vista (NT 6), windows 7 (NT 7)

I hope that answers your questions.

Except Windows 7's kernel is NT 6.1 (Win 7 is to Vista as XP is to Win 2k)

There really has not been a good explanation as to the choice of 7, except that calling it 6.1 would not sound good from a marketing perspective. They're trying to separate Windows 7 from the bad publicity that Vista has, if they would call it Windows 6.1, then people would wonder what Windows 6 was, and then figure out that it was Vista. Microsoft really doesn't want to associate Win 7 with Vista.


i'm guessing the 32bit W7 only sees 3 gb 's of ram as well?

Yep, that's why I'm running the 64bit version.

[BuzzKillington]

I read through 5 pages and got tired. I must ask, with this beta, is it technically a "full" version? Or is there a timer on it? I'm not reformatting to use it for 2 weeks or something ridiculous haha. Or even worse, are some features grayed out?

thanks in advance.

[nevermind1534]

I read through 5 pages and got tired. I must ask, with this beta, is it technically a "full" version? Or is there a timer on it? I'm not reformatting to use it for 2 weeks or something ridiculous haha. Or even worse, are some features grayed out?

thanks in advance.

This one expires on August 1st.

[The boy 4rm oz]

Yep and by then they should have a new version out to test, hopefully anyway. I'm gonna miss out on this one.

[Spawn-Inc]

so what will happen it just stops working?

[nevermind1534]

so what will happen it just stops working?

Pretty much.

[crenn]

i'm guessing the 32bit W7 only sees 3 gb 's of ram as well?
If it addressed more than 4GB, I'd be shocked.

[crenn]

I've just confirmed that you can disable desktop gadgets simply by putting UAC to it's lowest setting. I found this out because of a friend today, although, on the 'stock' UAC setting, I hardly encountered it until I ran unsigned code.

I've reported this problem.

[SXRguyinMA]

I've downloaded it, going ti install is on my spare HDD and give it a shot sooner or later...gott figure out my DVD drive issue though :think:

it says DVD+R on the drive, and I've tried both DVD+r and DVD-R discs, and when I try to burn it says "incompatible format" or something to that effect


figured out the problem....my DVD burner is a dual-layer burner, and wont burn single layer discs. will burning an iso to a DL work just fine? :think:

[Spawn-Inc]

figured out the problem....my DVD burner is a dual-layer burner, and wont burn single layer discs. will burning an iso to a DL work just fine? :think:

ya, all dual layer means is more capacity. though i find it odd that a dual layer can't burn single. both my lg's can do both.


and according to "properties" on "my computer" it says i have 4gb's of memory, not sure if its telling me whats installed or what i have to use though. where would i find out how much i have to use?

[SXRguyinMA]

I was thinking it would write both as well....ah well, maybe I'll just swap my other CDR drive for a SL DVD drive :up:

[nevermind1534]

Still need the DVD from me?

[bartvandenberg]

I was thinking it would write both as well....ah well, maybe I'll just swap my other CDR drive for a SL DVD drive :up:


Sounds like your drive has some problems. All dual layer drives have the ability to burn single layer disks. if yours doesnt, it seems to have issues. besides, im not sure if you can even buy dvd burners that dont burn dual layer anymore. If you can, there isnt a point, since 22x dual layer sata drives only cost like $25-30 bucks.


My Question is, when installing windows 7, am i using all the same vista drivers for my hardware? im using vista ultimate x64, so are the drivers essentially going to be the same?

can anyone shed some light on the situation? ive read others having problems getting there motherboard install cd to install drivers. i dont mind troubleshooting, but if i can save myself some headache before hand, that would be nice.

thanks

[crenn]

My Question is, when installing windows 7, am i using all the same vista drivers for my hardware? im using vista ultimate x64, so are the drivers essentially going to be the same?

can anyone shed some light on the situation? ive read others having problems getting there motherboard install cd to install drivers. i dont mind troubleshooting, but if i can save myself some headache before hand, that would be nice.
I've personally haven't had problems using Vista drivers with windows 7. But I didn't use a driver install disc. The drivers will essentially be the same.


and according to "properties" on "my computer" it says i have 4gb's of memory, not sure if its telling me whats installed or what i have to use though. where would i find out how much i have to use?
Task Manager - Performance tab.

[SXRguyinMA]

Sounds like your drive has some problems. All dual layer drives have the ability to burn single layer disks. if yours doesnt, it seems to have issues. besides, im not sure if you can even buy dvd burners that dont burn dual layer anymore. If you can, there isnt a point, since 22x dual layer sata drives only cost like $25-30 bucks.

I tried burning some DVDs and everytime I'd get it set to go it'd say "incorrect format" I havent tried with the DL discs yet though, going to in a few

[SXRguyinMA]

Still need the DVD from me?

if you could it'd be sweet :up: I spend $30 on a 25-pack of DVD+R DLs only to find it still wont work....must be something messed up with my drive. I've had it for a couple years yet enver burned a DVD with it, I just use my DVD recorder hooked to my TV to record shows, etc :think:

[Liquid_Scope_99]

:think:Am i the only one who has a slow connecton and used the download manager
lol or should i down load it directly or does it matter did anyone else use the download manager

[SXRguyinMA]

I used it, worked fine for me :up:

[TheGreatSatan]

Alright, I admit it. I'm retarded! I cannot make a boot disk. I've tried imgburn and SuperISO with no luck. I've made about 5 disks and none of them are bootable

[mtekk]

Alright, I admit it. I'm retarded! I cannot make a boot disk. I've tried imgburn and SuperISO with no luck. I've made about 5 disks and none of them are bootable

I used InfraRecorder and had no problems, but five "bad" disks kinda points to bad media or the computer isn't set to boot from CD/DVD in the bios.

[XcOM]

Except Windows 7's kernel is NT 6.1 (Win 7 is to Vista as XP is to Win 2k)

There really has not been a good explanation as to the choice of 7, except that calling it 6.1 would not sound good from a marketing perspective. They're trying to separate Windows 7 from the bad publicity that Vista has, if they would call it Windows 6.1, then people would wonder what Windows 6 was, and then figure out that it was Vista. Microsoft really doesn't want to associate Win 7 with Vista.



Yep, that's why I'm running the 64bit version.

please see this post:

that is correct, i've got the two kernels on my machine, and im going through them now, in the vista kernel you can see its come from server 2003 which is waht vista was built on, the latest windows always uses the last kernel as a base.

And in Win 7 you can see the server 2008 bits, you can also see bits taken from vista, it looks almost as if the windows 7 kernel has had a redesign, it seems more efficient, streamlined so to speak,

As said above it looks like a redesign, i would guess at this stage that they haven't built it upon vista, but used parts from vista that worked, then tweaked them to perform better than before.

Hence why this version of windows runs soo well on a VM, i would give this windows the thumbs up.

windows 7 is built using parts of the server 2008 kernel, yes it used server 2008 for the base, which in its own rite uses vista as a base, BUT, and this is a big but (And backed up by someone working on the windows7 project) it has been rewritten to make it more streamlined.


And xp added system restore to NT.

it was windows ME that first had it

[crenn]

Alright, I admit it. I'm retarded! I cannot make a boot disk. I've tried imgburn and SuperISO with no luck. I've made about 5 disks and none of them are bootable
I burned the x86 and x64 first time with imgburn, no problems at all.

Another one of my machines has migrated to Windows 7, originally it had Debian installed, but to be honest, I find windows easier to configure for network use.

[nevermind1534]

it was windows ME that first had it

Yes, one of my computers had me, but that was win9x; I was just saying that it was the first NT to have it.

[XcOM]

sorry, miss read your post.