any one using windows 7?

[l7.64ss]

if how is it compared to vista.... or dare i say XP.... dun dun daaaaaa

[crenn]

AWESOME! That is all.

[l7.64ss]

really how so? i saw some vids on it, like shaking widows and snapping window line ups and fast minimizing and over response. but i want the dl.....i just build a rig and want to know if i should wait till it comes out for real or just buy vista, also does it recognize more than 3 an something gigs ram?

[Crazy Buddhist]

also does it recognize more than 3 an something gigs ram?

32 bit versions of Windows 7 will still be stuck to the same theoretical limit of 4GB RAM. In practice this means 3.xGB max addressable RAM after system devices and depending on your Graphics Card.

CB

Source: (http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=4254)

While the maximum RAM limit for 32-bit Windows 7 editions is 4GB, when it comes to the 64-bit editions, the amount of memory that the OS can address depends on which edition you are running.
Here are the upper RAM limits for the different editions of Windows 7:

Starter: 8GB
Home Basic: 8GB
Home Premium: 16GB
Professional: 192GB
Enterprise: 192GB
Ultimate: 192GB

[Omega]

Windows 7 still has some stuff that's kind of wonky, but as a whole, it's actually pretty nice. way better than vista for sure.

Even in beta, too, it runs pretty well.

I've got it on the work machine downstairs.

[l7.64ss]

hmmmmmm i c...... i think im just going to go ahead and get vista 64 premium, cuz there will proply be so many issues with 7 when it comes out, and also cuz ive never used it lol. im rocking xp on a alienware notbook that is a year old and would spank most desktops in benchmarks hahahah.... sorry got started on a bragging trip, so ill put vista on the new rig........was writing this when u posted that omega, well i want 7 but i dont want to have an os'less computer that i just build sitting here waiting.......

[OvRiDe]

I think you would be wiser to spend your money on Win7 over Vista. From what I can tell there are less issues with Win7 out of the gate, then Vista did at the same point. Although it may be better now, Vista still has some issues on the 64bit version.

[Crazy Buddhist]

hmmmmmm i c...... i think im just going to go ahead and get vista 64 premium, cuz there will proply be so many issues with 7 when it comes out, and also cuz ive never used it lol. im rocking xp on a alienware notbook that is a year old and would spank most desktops in benchmarks hahahah.... sorry got started on a bragging trip, so ill put vista on the new rig

That would seem like a bad choice.

Microsoft make bad operating systems from time to time. Microsoft ME was their first big blooper, Vista another.

By common agreement of most everyone in the industry Windows 7 is better in it's RC form (except for a few blips) than Vista is with SP2 installed.

Certainly by release date or very soon thereafter with updates Windows 7 will beat Vista in every department.

I'm not suggesting you install the RC but when it's released.

Many companies have totally bypassed Vista and are waiting on 7 to upgrade desktops from XP.

CB

[Oneslowz28]

Save your $$ and buy 7 when it comes out. You will not be disappointed. I have vista ultimate 64 and just switched back to home premium 32 bit because I was having lots of issues with several programs and games.

BTW if you think your alienware notebook will spank most of the desktops here, you are fooling yourself. Alienware while better than most are over priced hot running POS's

[Crazy Buddhist]

BTW if you think your alienware notebook will spank most of the desktops here, you are fooling yourself. Alienware while better than most are over priced hot running POS's

Beautifully put .. you're a poet +rep

[Collinstheclown]

I just purchased Vista Ultimate x64 because it came with a Win7 upgrade for when it's released. Figured it'd be cheaper that way, theres no way Win7 will be cheaper the Vista at launch... at least thats my philosophy.

I don't plan on installing Vista until Win7 is out. lol




-CollinstheClown

[l7.64ss]

no not most desk tops here, that would would be crazy, (this is a mod forum) lol, just most average, an i know i paid for the name, and its very hot, but idk i just got lucky and havent found a game to date that i cant run on a hi res and everything turned up to as high as it goes, sure whatever is under my laptop is going to melt lol but it plays it.....anyway my friend said download 7 to a boot cd so i can put it on my new rig (that will spank most ON HERE) is this possible?

[progbuddy]

no not most desk tops here, that would would be crazy, (this is a mod forum) lol, just most average, an i know i paid for the name, and its very hot, but idk i just got lucky and havent found a game to date that i cant run on a hi res and everything turned up to as high as it goes, sure whatever is under my laptop is going to melt lol but it plays it.....anyway my friend said download 7 to a boot cd so i can put it on my new rig (that will spank most ON HERE) is this possible?

That thing in parentheses... What is that?

There are some people on this forum that run quad-core clusters. They are fun to play with. Go try it.

[Crazy Buddhist]

anyway my friend said download 7 to a boot cd so i can put it on my new rig (that will spank most ON HERE) is this possible?


i put together a new rig, x58 mobo i7 cpu 9800 gtx+ wd 150 gig raptor and ram

That will "spank" many systems on here when you get it running ... but maybe not most .... and it will certainly be far from the least powerful.

You only have one GPU for a start. Also what model i7 is it? And what RAM?

CB

[nevermind1534]

Don't buy vista yet, unless it comes with a free upgrade to Windows 7.

[Collinstheclown]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116678

Thats the one I bought.




-CollinstheClown

[progbuddy]

That will "spank" many systems on here when you get it running ... but maybe not most .... and it will certainly be far from the least powerful.

You only have one GPU for a start. Also what model i7 is it? And what RAM?

CB

Oh well. In time, many things will be learned.

Back to the topic, I don't really want or feel the need to run Windows 7. Sounds cool, though. Just wish they would just phase out 32-bit already.

Windows just needs a new platform, and needs to get rid of the old one completely instead of just putting thousands of little "band-aids" over a third-degree burn.

[Crazy Buddhist]

I just purchased Vista Ultimate x64 because it came with a Win7 upgrade for when it's released. Figured it'd be cheaper that way, ....


Yes it will ..... yet ... I believe the cheapest way to buy Windows 7 is to buy a European version which ships without IE8 because of the anti-trust issues with the European Union.

These versions can not be installed as upgrades because of the lack of IE8 in the system, so .....

Microsoft are selling "upgrade" disks in Europe - at upgrade prices - but they are not upgrades at all - it's the FULL version for a new install on them !!!!!!

This was the only way Microsoft could release Win 7 globally at the same time. I pre-ordered two copies at £50 ($90) each.

CB

[l7.64ss]

the comp i built is an i7 2.66 that I will be oc'ing . 6 gigs of ddr3 that i will oc a lil, two evga 9800+ in sli, and a western digital raptor, im thinking about getting geting another and doing raid 0 but i don't know much about it (advise would be greatly appreciated). i am not trying to get into a who's got the biggest dick conversation i am just proud of my self my saving to get all that... anyway from Europe u say??? hmmmm.. i just want to put 7 in and bott to it so i can just get this thing running. and if it is impossible to have it be the first os in a comp than i will be stuck with with vista cuz i cant buy both :(

[x88x]

I'm pretty sure you can still grab the 7 Release Candidate from MS for free. That would be my recommendation. That way you don't have to deal with Vista (not the hellhole that many will lead you to believe, but very bloated) and you get a legitimately free OS until, what, April?

As for your HDD, are you using a Raptor or a Velociraptor? Because if you're using a Raptor, honestly I'd recommend upgrading to something else instead of getting another one. If it's a Velociraptor, sure, go ahead with the RAID-0. You're MBB's controller should be able to handle that just fine. Just one thing to understand about RAID-0 before you use it:

There is one reason, and one reason only, to use RAID-0. Speed. You will get a nice boost of speed when you use RAID-0, but you will also put yourself in a potentially dangerous situation. If any drive in a RAID-0 array fails, you lose to entire array. Because of this, I would not recommend using RAID-0 unless you have some way of doing regular backups of the array.

Oh, and a friendly warning, be wary of saying any system will outperform most systems on this forum, there's some pretty amazing systems around here :D Yours does sound like it's gonna pretty sweet though. Make sure you get a hi-res monitor or 2 to take advantage of the SLI. Speaking of which, ooc, have you purchased the 9800GTX+'s yet? I'm just thinking that if you haven't it might be a better idea to drop the extra $30 each and get GTX260's instead. I think the individual cards have similar benchmarks, but the 200 series uses a newer chip and might scale in SLI better (I don't know if this is actually the case, just speculating). IIRC know with the 9000 series SLI only got you around a 60% boost.

[Collinstheclown]

Yes it will ..... yet ... I believe the cheapest way to buy Windows 7 is to buy a European version which ships without IE8 because of the anti-trust issues with the European Union.

These versions can not be installed as upgrades because of the lack of IE8 in the system, so .....

Microsoft are selling "upgrade" disks in Europe - at upgrade prices - but they are not upgrades at all - it's the FULL version for a new install on them !!!!!!

This was the only way Microsoft could release Win 7 globally at the same time. I pre-ordered two copies at £50 ($90) each.

CB

...Whoa... lol
Linky?
They wouldn't say things like colour right? :lick::think:




-CollinstheClown

[nevermind1534]

They wouldn't say things like colour right? :lick::think:

Not unless you set it to UK/British English.

[Durrthock]

The computer I built is an i7 920 running at 2.66 ghz, that I will be overclocking. It also has 6 gigs of ddr3 that I am planning on overclocking a little bit. Two EVGA 9800+'s running in sli. The HDD is a western digital raptor, I am thinking about getting another to run in raid 0, but I am unsure of how to go about that (advise would be greatly appreciated). I am not trying to get into a *ick measuring contest. I am just proud of myself for saving to get all of that. I am from Europe u say??? hmmmm.. I am excited to boot windows 7 so I can try my new PC out. If it cannot run a a new computer,(it can) I will be stuck with vista as I cannot afford both. :(

Edited to be legible :whistler:

[Crazy Buddhist]

I was going to say that 6Gigs is overkill but found this (http://i4memory.com/f83/core-i7-games-memory-testing-6gb-vs-3gb-11562/). Of course you would REQUIRE a 64 bit version of Windows 7 to use 6 Gigs of RAM as 32 bit versions still suffer the 4Gig max addressable limit:


The results echo those of AN804 and show that 6GB of system memory is essential for gaming PCs based around Core i7 CPUs, with up to a 3x increase in performance compared to an identical PC with 3GB of RAM.

How we tested

To conduct the testing we built a high-performance Core i7 test system that reflects the type of PC that a gaming enthusiast would buy. By using high-end components we also preclude the possibility of any single item of hardware causing performance bottlenecks, which allows us to accurately measure the effect of increasing the memory density.

Memory Configurations
3GB - 1600MHz Corsair Dominator TR3X3G1600C8D
6GB - 1600MHz Corsair Dominator TR3X6G1600C8D

Test Platform
ASUS P6T Deluxe motherboard (BIOS version 0804)
Intel Core i7-965 Extreme Edition CPU
2 x 1GB Nvidia GeForce 280 GTX in SLI
2 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320GB in RAID 0
24in TFT monitor
Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit, SP1
Nvidia 180.43 BETA drivers (required for SLI on ASUS P6T Deluxe)

One thing I would say is that you need to look at your memory configurations carefully with i7 as having memory that is mistimed/mismatched to your CPU can really slow the systems down. I will try and track down the article I read explaining the ins and outs of it.

CrazyB

EDIT Good article here: http://techgage.com/article/intel_core_i7_-_choosing_the_best_memory_kit/ but not the one I was looking for.

EDIT2: This one contains the core info .... http://techreport.com/articles.x/15967

i7 920's are officially limited to 1066 speed memory by the onboard controller, but you can push that:


Despite the 920's lack of official support for faster memory, we can push its memory clock higher by overclocking the processor's base clock speed. We've done just that, dialing our Core i7-920's base clock up from 133 to 167 and 200MHz, which allows us to run the memory at 1333 and 1600MHz, respectively. Since we're focusing on memory performance, we lowered the 920's core multiplier to 16X at 167MHz and 13X at 200MHz. That gives us the same 2.66GHz core clock with a 167MHz base clock and 2.6GHz at 200MHz, which is close enough. As we did with the 965 Extreme, we've stuck with our DIMMs' default latencies of 7-7-7-20 at 1333MHz and 8-8-8-24 at 1600MHz. These results should let us know what happens to the i7's performance when you push both its base and memory clocks.

http://techreport.com/r.x/corei7-memscaling/sandra-bandwidth.gif (http://techreport.com/articles.x/15967/3)

[Crazy Buddhist]

...Whoa... lol
Linky?
They wouldn't say things like colour right?


No .. you set the language as usual.

http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=WIN+7+PRE-ORDER&hl=en&brand=Microsoft&scoring=p

There is still only one retailer left with the full discount "John Lewis" and you have to buy it in (a physical) store.

Next best price is £69

However ..... I doubt you will get these shipped outside the UK or any other European state purchased in as they are region specific versions and Microsoft will almost certainly have placed sales restrictions on them including shipping destinations.

CrazyB

[crenn]

Note- Windows 7E no longer exists.

[Kayin]

Been using Win7 since January, any questions just ask.

Oh, and for the guy with the "awesome computer", hit my build log and see what I ended up with, the OCs and the scores I could pull out of it. And it's a tri-core.

[Crazy Buddhist]

Note- Windows 7E no longer exists.

Do you mean the version shipped in Europe will carry IE8? When did that change. If it's still shipping without IE8 then it is the Win 7 E no?

Matthew

[OvRiDe]

Do you mean the version shipped in Europe will carry IE8? When did that change. If it's still shipping without IE8 then it is the Win 7 E no?

Matthew

July 31st, 2009 :D

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10301299-56.html

[Crazy Buddhist]

July 31st, 2009 :D

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10301299-56.html

Mwuhahahahahahahhahahaha


Those who pre-ordered Windows 7 "E" through a recent discount offer will get the full version, as Microsoft had promised. However, Microsoft plans to now sell Windows 7 upgrades in Europe and also offer a higher-priced full version (for those without an earlier copy of Windows)--similar to what it is doing in the rest of the world.

My two $90 copies are going to be full versions come what may :) So will any one else who finds and buys a pre-order version in Europe (there are a few left).

And $90 is CHEAP here - we typically pay almost 1 £ for 1 $ on S/ware and H/ware - despite the exchange rate being 1:1.60

It's not a finalised deal yet either - unless things have moved on from that press release - but the splash screen allowing you to choose your browser is a great idea for everyone - not just those of us in Europe.

CrazyB

[OvRiDe]

My two $90 copies are going to be full versions come what may :)


Nice!


- but the splash screen allowing you to choose your browser is a great idea for everyone - not just those of us in Europe.

Agreed! I can imagine all the grief NOT having a browser installed after setup could pose to the consumer public. With windows not having a native "wget" command, it would be a total PIA to get updated drivers on a fresh install, not to mention a browser itself!

[Crazy Buddhist]

Nice!
Agreed! I can imagine all the grief NOT having a browser installed after setup could pose to the consumer public. With windows not having a native "wget" command, it would be a total PIA to get updated drivers on a fresh install, not to mention a browser itself!

All you need is firefox.exe install on a CD or USB key.

Matthew

[OvRiDe]

Its true, but there will still be a huge amount of folks that don't realize that ahead of time.

:P

[Collinstheclown]

They could make you choose one, and not have the option to not have any.




-CollinstheClown

[l7.64ss]

firefox is good, but google chrome is the **** i love it

[l7.64ss]

my lain li case got here, i got it cuz my clear case+ a non modular psu makes for a horrific cable management mess and i herd it is a great case for new modders

[x88x]

Heheh, nice choice on manufacturer. What model did you get? Personally I prefer metal cases, but hey, that's me....the one problem with getting a really nice case (I had this problem with my P180 when I had it) is that it is sometimes hard to cut it when you've spent so much on it. :P

[slaveofconvention]

I just installed the RC on a spare machine - cel 3.06 - 1GB DDR400 - 256MB Ati1950XT and after the first round of updates every bit of hardware is installed and working - that makes a nice change.... Anyone know much about the windows rating on Win 7 - is it directly comparable to Vistas? I noticed it goes up to 7.9 instead of 5.9 but are the sub 5.9s equivalent?

Main reason I'm asking is I'm sure I used to get 5.9 for 3D for gaming with that card under Vista 32 HP and it's "only" 5.7 under Win7 - but I'm also aware the mobo in the spare PC isn't as high spec a mobo as I had in my old 754 A64 3000 w 3GB DDR400.

[x88x]

Yes, I believe that 5.9 and below in 7 are comparable to Vista scores.

[Kayin]

Not exactly. Sometimes, but HDDs got reworked. Might explain the drop.

[haha49]

I went back to vista for programs that didnt work.. and the fact that It was missing alot of stuff I used in vista.. so I went back..


O that and the speed of vista was beating the win 7 wich was like wtf.. I supect its just drivers for now..

[gaz_the_chav]

I went back to vista for programs that didnt work.. and the fact that It was missing alot of stuff I used in vista.. so I went back..

O that and the speed of vista was beating the win 7 wich was like wtf.. I supect its just drivers for now..


Any chance you could put this into english please?!

-gaz

[Datech]

What programs didn't work? 7 isn't technically released yet, so you can't fault a 3rd party program for not working. What were you missing from Vista? You realize that MS removed a lot of extra features that people weren't using, and that many of them are available as separate downloads. Also, of the 6 computers I've used 7 with, all of them have had significant speed improvements, so it probably was drivers.

What are your specific problems?

[x88x]

Also, of the 6 computers I've used 7 with, all of them have had significant speed improvements, so it probably was drivers.

/\ This has been my experience too. Heck, I have a friend who installed 7 on his Eee 1005, and it runs beautifully. Good luck running Vista on that. :P

[billygoat333]

I cant wait to get my upgrade from vista on my lappy. vista, when stripped completely, runs ok, but when i first got the piece of crap I was getting BSODs every 15 min. and it wouldnt hibernate without forcing me to restart after restoring from a hibernation. gay. it works now, but I am anxious for 7!

[haha49]

What programs didn't work? 7 isn't technically released yet, so you can't fault a 3rd party program for not working. What were you missing from Vista? You realize that MS removed a lot of extra features that people weren't using, and that many of them are available as separate downloads. Also, of the 6 computers I've used 7 with, all of them have had significant speed improvements, so it probably was drivers.

What are your specific problems?

Acrobat programs... right of the bat lots of problems..

Problems with my raid controller.. it has random read write issuses.. had non in vista.. just gets all lagy and screws up seems like bad driver with a bug..

Outlook express is gone
Windows movie maker is gone
Basicly anyprogram that you install thats windows live.. they removed it from windows 7 so you can install the crapy windows live programs instead... and ANyone that says movie maker is there its a Lie.. ITs replaced with windows movie maker live its a link to download it.. meaning its not preinstalled.. It just seems like they stripped out features made it look better and utilize less ram and call it windows 7.. and what they are doing is makeing it so that dx11 wont come out for a while with vista even though it works fine already.. you need sp3 for dx11.. which isnt a huge thing since well not like anything is dx11 yet..


Now if you have low amounts of ram or a slow pc then windows 7 is faster but if you have a fast pc already then windows 7 is the same speed..

[x88x]

Are the Windows Live programs free? Seems to me like they just cut out some of the less commonly used stuff from the default installation, and let people install it for free if they want it (last I checked, that was supposed to be a good thing; cheaper distribution costs, faster install time, etc). *shrugs* idk, I'd probably have different feelings about it if I actually used any of the programs they stripped out. I can't comment on Acrobat; I only use Reader, though I've never had any problems with it.

[Datech]

Acrobat programs... right of the bat lots of problems..

I have Acrobat Pro on one of the Win7 laptops with no problems. Also, there are plenty of free programs that do more than Acrobat, like doPDF and Foxit. Why don't you tell us what problems you are having so we can help you.


Problems with my raid controller.. it has random read write issuses.. had non in vista.. just gets all lagy and screws up seems like bad driver with a bug..

That's a third party hardware thing, fault the developer, not Win7. Have you checked their support forums for the issues? What specific raid controller is it, as again we can help you through it.


Outlook express is gone
Windows movie maker is gone

Again, they removed programs that weren't being used. More people use Thunderbird than OE now, and both OE and WMM are available for downloads. How is downloading them separately any different than what you do for a product like Firefox, or CCleaner, or Steam?

Would you rather have all those programs preinstalled, and have a slow computer because they didn't bother to have the thousands of developers work together and streamline all the programs? Would you rather not have the option of installing Win7 on a low power PC and know it will work better than both XP and Vista? As for the same speed on high power computers, I have to disagree. Even though most people think Win7 is just Vista SP3, the changes in architecture reflect more of Windows Server 2008 than it does Vista code. In my comparisons, Vista takes about 25-30% more RAM and 5-10% more CPU utilization due to all the extraneous background process. Adding the downloadable content back into 7 will not bring back any of the background processes like the 13 instances of svchost.exe that commonly show up on Vista computers.

If you are having problems, say so and identify the specific instances. Just like with driver and architecture problems when Vista was released, you can't blame an OS for problems with 3rd party developers.

[Oneslowz28]

I ran W7 back during the beta test for about 3 weeks and ran CS2, CS3, CS4, Dreamweaver, Image Ready, Acrobat, COD MW, Fear, GTA IV, UT III, All the office 2007 programs, all the normal anti virus / spyware programs, filezilla, Photomatrix pro, Adobe Literoom, and many more programs and the only problem I ever found was trying to get it to recognize my 4 year old D-Link router.

IMO those who have problems with Vista or W7 either don't know enough about computers to properly check for updated drivers or install the OS on a machine not capable of handling it. Its 2008 people, everyone should have at minimum 2gb ram, and a 1.8Ghz dual core processor at the least. Trying to run vista or W7 on legacy hardware is never going to work as good as it would on an up to date machine. I mean you seriously don't think the guys at Redmond are going to code a completely new OS around hardware that's 5-10 years old do you?

[Datech]

But that begs the argument of whether Redmond is advancing hardware requirements at the benefit of the hardware companies, like Intel... The big stink with Vista was that a lot of 'Vista Ready' computers weren't really Vista ready, and Intel knowingly applied those brands in hopes users would upgrade to REAL Vista ready computers.

Linux doesn't have that kind of problem.

[x88x]

But that begs the argument of whether Redmond is advancing hardware requirements at the benefit of the hardware companies, like Intel... The big stink with Vista was that a lot of 'Vista Ready' computers weren't really Vista ready, and Intel knowingly applied those brands in hopes users would upgrade to REAL Vista ready computers.
I would definitely not say that Redmond is advancing hardware requirements to the benefit of hardware manufacturers. Consumers like shiny, therefore OS developers make shiny. Shiny is harder for the computer to run, so it requires more powerful computers. However, the power required for an OS is never a cutting edge thing; it's just when people try to run a brand new OS (with lots of new shiny) on 3-4 year old computers, and expect them to work just as fast as they did on the old OS (with less shiny).

In all honesty, the only thing that any of those 'Vista Ready' computers were missing was RAM. I ran Vista on a (single core) Athlon FX-55 with 2GB of DDR-400 RAM for over a year with no problems at all; I even did heavy gaming on it. I don't remember seeing a single 'Vista Ready' computer with less than 2 CPU cores, but I do remember seeing plenty with as little as 512MB of RAM...which frankly was just a dick move on the part of the OEMs.


Linux doesn't have that kind of problem.

Oh I beg to differ; Debian clearly states that I need 64MB of RAM to run a desktop environment. That's clearly pushing up the hardware requirements :P

[SXRguyinMA]

I run reader all the time and CS3 and it runs flawlessly. and you can just download OE and WMM like the others said. I dont use OE so I dont care about that, but I did download WMM and use it a lot.

[Oneslowz28]

But that begs the argument of whether Redmond is advancing hardware requirements at the benefit of the hardware companies, like Intel... The big stink with Vista was that a lot of 'Vista Ready' computers weren't really Vista ready, and Intel knowingly applied those brands in hopes users would upgrade to REAL Vista ready computers.

Linux doesn't have that kind of problem.

Well of course they are. That's how business works. A big corp like M$ has a vested interest in coding around current and future architectures. They know that this is what the current OEM manufacturers will be building with and if they code it to slightly higher than current but aging hardware, the smaller component manufacturing companies will update their hardware. This will cause a chain reaction that will eventually trickle down to the consumer having to purchase new hardware to be able to run this new flashy and cool OS, thus driving the industry and selling more copies of the OS.

Video game coders have been doing this for years. They code games inefficiently so that they will use more video card resources, causing the consumer to have to upgrade their GPU to play the latest game. Ever wonder why the same game with almost the same coding will play on your X-box 360 with the same GPU that played the previous game in the series and you were stuck spending $200-500 on a new video card to play that same game on your pc when your 360 has less than half the power of your current GPU?

[Kayin]

I chose to stick with 16-bit hand-painted sprites for that reason. Not all game developers are doing that.

And, look at the requirements for 7 vs Vista-they're the same or lower. The industry is slowly but surely wising up-now let's get them to worry more about gameplay and less about pretty.

[haha49]

I have Acrobat Pro on one of the Win7 laptops with no problems. Also, there are plenty of free programs that do more than Acrobat, like doPDF and Foxit. Why don't you tell us what problems you are having so we can help you.



That's a third party hardware thing, fault the developer, not Win7. Have you checked their support forums for the issues? What specific raid controller is it, as again we can help you through it.



Again, they removed programs that weren't being used. More people use Thunderbird than OE now, and both OE and WMM are available for downloads. How is downloading them separately any different than what you do for a product like Firefox, or CCleaner, or Steam?

Would you rather have all those programs preinstalled, and have a slow computer because they didn't bother to have the thousands of developers work together and streamline all the programs? Would you rather not have the option of installing Win7 on a low power PC and know it will work better than both XP and Vista? As for the same speed on high power computers, I have to disagree. Even though most people think Win7 is just Vista SP3, the changes in architecture reflect more of Windows Server 2008 than it does Vista code. In my comparisons, Vista takes about 25-30% more RAM and 5-10% more CPU utilization due to all the extraneous background process. Adding the downloadable content back into 7 will not bring back any of the background processes like the 13 instances of svchost.exe that commonly show up on Vista computers.

If you are having problems, say so and identify the specific instances. Just like with driver and architecture problems when Vista was released, you can't blame an OS for problems with 3rd party developers.


The drivers were preloaded into the os that Im haveing issuse with.. raid random read and write bugs.. opening a photo on a memory card is very bugy.. it can hang the system


O and have you actually used windows live movie maker? .. Trust me it sucks so bad try it you will see... acrobate has problems working.. and several other programs installing was easyer but windows 7 is way way over hyped..

[Liquid_Scope_99]

I was suppose to get the windows the 22 because i bought a laptop with the free upgrade . I called hp still ahvent got it yet steve said everything was ok dont worry lol I want my os steve

[199Crazy]

I Izzzzz!!!!!!!!!!

[Killa_Ape]

I just upgraded to Win 7 from Vista and noticed a speed difference. Programs seem to open faster (well IE still kind of sucks but don't use it anyways) and windows update isn't annoying as all hell when updates are present. So far I have had no problems getting programs going, not done all the installs but seems to be working well and as opposed to Vista I actually have all my damn drivers from day 1 so woo! (Not Windows fault but hey it's nice not having the nagging icon in device manager)

I actually like the task bar. I wasn't sure how I was going to like it, but it works well and systray is way less clogged up, not to mention way way less processes running! So far I'm satisfied, bumped a few more frames in some games maybe 5%, unlike Vista first install where I was losing at least 10% frames.

Did have 1 problem though, updated my network drivers (through windows update) and for some reason it installed the old driver and totally botched my connection, so had to do rollback and went to newer driver, problem solved.

[x88x]

I actually like the task bar. I wasn't sure how I was going to like it, but it works well and systray is way less clogged up, not to mention way way less processes running!

It took me a little while to get used to it, but I really like the task bar too. Plus, and added bonus, it's the first Windows taskbar that actually works well on the side of the screen. Yay for less wasted screen space :D

[billygoat333]

I was suppose to get the windows the 22 because i bought a laptop with the free upgrade . I called hp still ahvent got it yet steve said everything was ok dont worry lol I want my os steve

same here. got mine through dell supposed to be sent an email. but nothing yet. gay gay gay.

[SXRguyinMA]

The drivers were preloaded into the os that Im haveing issuse with.. raid random read and write bugs.. opening a photo on a memory card is very bugy.. it can hang the system

O and have you actually used windows live movie maker? .. Trust me it sucks so bad try it you will see... acrobate has problems working.. and several other programs installing was easyer but windows 7 is way way over hyped..

maybe its you card then. I open photos on meory cards all the time and its
flawless. Acrobat also run flawless on my machine. I am having 0 issues with W7. The only thing I had to do was go to some MFR's websited and get updated drivers (updated Catalyst, updated software for my keyboard, etc)

[chaksq]

it's the first Windows taskbar that actually works well on the side of the screen. Yay for less wasted screen space :D

This is amazing, I really like not having titles for programs I always use on the taskbar. Way useful having the taskbar on the side of the screen with my laptop screen. The tray works great, I can hide but still easily access icons I don't use all the time, and choose a few to keep visible that I always use, like my chat client and steam. I also like the new take on the sidebar gadgets, I can place them wherever I need/want them, which makes my desktop look a lot cleaner.

[Omega]

Just switched over to 7 today.

64-bit support for things already laid out by Vista FTW.

Not to mention, it had out-of-the-box support for ALL my hardware, meaning as soon as the install was done, I was on my way!

The taskbar definitely does look good up on the side, much better than it was in XP.

Not to mention, Aero is the hotness.

[Datech]

Omega, just wait til you install it on a laptop. It friggen configures the wireless driver DURING windows setup, before you ever hit the desktop!

[Omega]

Omega, just wait til you install it on a laptop. It friggen configures the wireless driver DURING windows setup, before you ever hit the desktop!

It did that on this system as soon as I put a Vista/7 capable wireless care in it (my old one wasn't)

[TheMainMan]

The only issue I've had with Windows 7 is that Logitech dropped the support for a large portion of their webcams. I'm waiting for an RMA so that I can try XP mode to see if that's a working solution. Other than that, Windows 7 actually fixed a number of hardware issues that I had in Vista, such as my TV tuner card. I've been running the full release since September (legally aquired through MSDN-AA) and have been extremely happy.

[x88x]

XP mode most likely will not solve your webcam issue. If the only problem is that there's not a 7 driver, if there's a Vista driver, that'll work. Same base kernel, just updated.

[jackvinsly]

I was just using Windows 7 64 bits addition in my laptop. But its hardly working on it. Because my laptop having a 2 GB RAM so its become slow my laptop. While this OS is nicely working in my PC now a day.