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DarthBeavis
02-02-2010, 08:31 PM
Front panels painted (by my new air-brusher: www.stevenunez.com):
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1235/image1yw.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/873/img9649m.jpg
Case is a Danger Den Double-wide Tower. Top, bottom, mobo tray are all ruby red acrylic, front and back are uv blue acrylic - the side panels you see are clear acrylic. He is also painting my two Feser 480 radiators, cover for a Silverstone Zeus 1200 PSU, part of Koolance pump housing/resevoir combo, and a small two HDD NAS box as well.
He will be painting my Windows Home Server box as well (also a Danger Den Double-wide Tower) but with a Star Wars theme including some sexy StormTrooper chicks ;)
cellsite60
02-03-2010, 04:22 AM
Thats some awesome painting, have seen Steve Nunez work before, such an artist.
Cant wait to see the stormtrooper chicks :banana:
thorkon
02-03-2010, 04:29 AM
Very nice artwork. My buddy has had his case airbrushed and it is very nice. Not the same artist obviously.
Interested in seeing the storm trooper females :D
Kayin
02-03-2010, 12:51 PM
Thanks for joining us!
For those not in the know, DB is quite the sponsored modder, and has a very long and impressive list of builds under his belt.
He also works closely with the crew at Danger Den, and therefore you'll see a lot of DD stuff in his builds-including a fair few custom blocks.
I'm proud to have you as a member of the site, and I hope you'll stick around for more than just project logs-'twould be nice if you graced us with some cooling knowledge every now and then as well.
Luke122
02-03-2010, 01:39 PM
Absolutely! I've been a fan of your work for a long time!
DarthBeavis
02-03-2010, 02:23 PM
I will do my best to be more regular here. This is a awesome community.
Kayin
02-03-2010, 05:24 PM
Man, I'm glad you feel that way.
I've enjoyed it, it's a lot more grassroots than a lot of other places-sure, we have the awesome CNC (or airbrush) mods, but there's a lot of guys doing it on shoestring budgets and really making some works of art.
So what kinda goodies are going in this beast?
Waynio
02-03-2010, 08:10 PM
Sorry, I've only been around modding for a short time, still have not caught up with all the heaps of awesome mods here, any chance of some pics or links of your past works, I'm intrigued :) sounds like your a grand master modder :) and the air brush pieces look as good as they get :up:.
DarthBeavis
02-03-2010, 10:05 PM
Sorry, I've only been around modding for a short time, still have not caught up with all the heaps of awesome mods here, any chance of some pics or links of your past works, I'm intrigued :) sounds like your a grand master modder :) and the air brush pieces look as good as they get :up:.
Dude I am a a n00b who has had a few lucky breaks to meet the right people.
Here is my blog with a link to my projects:
http://www.outoftheboxmods.com/
http://outoftheboxmods.com/my-mods-and-builds/
I desperately need to update it . . .
OvRiDe
02-03-2010, 11:00 PM
Wow.. I am a big fan of bomber nose art and this style of pin up art, and then you throw some old school flames in the background!?! How cool is that. You could put a intel 8080 chip in there and it will still be a smoking cool machine!
Looking forward to see more!
DarthBeavis
02-05-2010, 02:41 PM
moar pics:
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/6416/img9770.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4269/img9771.jpg
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/2902/20638291793002107601702.jpg
Waynio
02-05-2010, 08:44 PM
Thanks for the link Darth
You gotta be joking about the n00b bit though lol :D, your clearly not a n00b.
Had a look through your blog, some fantastic mods there and well done for getting in shape :), looks like you lost a fair bit :), feels better doesn't it, I was 19 stone about 8 years ago from having about 7 pints of beer a day and eating fast food regular, was getting over some trauma, and just got sick of it eventually and went off beer completely, I was really turning into a wreck heading for major physical health issues but was always keen on martial arts and sat and watched all the jet li movies and picked up a couple of great training ideas (finger press ups mostly) started off barely able to do 10 in 1 go and built up to reps of 140 and ended up getting addicted to doing 1000 or more per day getting high from the endorphins and the fat just disapeared after a pretty short while and my hands and fingers got uber strong lol :D, got down to 14 stone, went from females looking at me in disgust to wolf whistles which was nice :D :banana:, since put 2 more on because of gaming and slacking off and eating a little too much of the wrong foods and drinking nothing but coffee, I've been slowly slipping back into being a couch potatoe lol, gonna have to have another change.
I found I can lose a stone just from doing intensive modding, on the air cube v2 I lost 1 & 1/2 stone with all the filing and awkward positions in a cramped space for hours upon hours lol.
Back on topic :D.
Those air brush pieces look absolutely fantastic, skills like that would take I have no idea how long to develop, a decade? 2 decades?, I imagine graffiti artists take to air brushing really well. Real expert master level from the look of them, anyway, can't wait to see the full system with wicked haaawwwt art on :D, and look forward to seeing your future mods, need a +10 rep at least just for the ones on your blog :) :up:.
ulysses.cazuquel
02-09-2010, 12:11 AM
DarthBeavis
I want the pictures of the radiators painted :pics:
Great Project
DarthBeavis
02-15-2010, 05:51 PM
Just got back from Mods and Rods. Pics will be up shortly
Waynio
02-15-2010, 09:29 PM
Cool, looking forward to it :).
DarthBeavis
02-16-2010, 07:18 PM
The rads, PSU housing, NAS Box, and pump (courtesy of Koolance)
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3301/dsc02164g.jpg
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8431/dsc02168x.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/1520/dsc02170a.jpg
artoodeeto
02-16-2010, 08:05 PM
looks awesome! almost makes me think of spiderman, but way cooler :)
DarthBeavis
02-16-2010, 08:16 PM
looks awesome! almost makes me think of spiderman, but way cooler :)
LOL - I heard about a practice called Spidermaning on Howard Stern but I cannot discuss it here . . . :whistler:
The paintjob is fishnet stocking design :bunny:
DarthBeavis
02-16-2010, 08:52 PM
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I am doing a water-cooled (CPU only) graphics workstation build for my air-brusher (in a bruiser-colored Danger Den Double-wide Tower). Nvidia gave me a Quadro FX 5800 GPU to put in it! That is almost a 3 grand GPU! I also picked up a couple 2 terabyte drives for it.
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DarthBeavis
02-23-2010, 06:28 PM
Case assembled but waiting on parts from Performance PCs before I can get it all put together.
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1971/dsc02199oj.jpg
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4062/dsc02200v.jpg
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/2859/dsc02201.jpg
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4598/dsc02202j.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7985/dsc02203o.jpg
Awesome work! Can't wait to see the painted texture of the rads in the case. Is this case for yourself or a commissioned piece?
DarthBeavis
02-24-2010, 11:03 AM
this is my personal gaming rig
artoodeeto
02-24-2010, 01:33 PM
the only real issue I have with it is I'd spend more time staring at the case than looking at the screen :P
DarthBeavis
02-24-2010, 09:59 PM
the only real issue I have with it is I'd spend more time staring at the case than looking at the screen :P
hence my PERSONAL gaming rig :whistler:
Drum Thumper
02-25-2010, 12:11 AM
hence my PERSONAL pr0n rig :whistler:
Fixed that for ya :P
DarthBeavis
04-13-2010, 12:44 AM
Had a few days home between trips so I got started . . .still waiting for four 480s and an Asus R3E . . .
First, I get my fittings sponsored and I do not want to shell out cash for those nice black ones so . . .
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/5456/dsc02249m.jpg
Ghetto powers . . . activate!
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6668/dsc02251n.jpg
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/4863/dsc02252ip.jpg
Will have to touch them up after installing but such is life:
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/3199/dsc02269p.jpg
Still waiting for fitting extenders so for now I am using other ones to test fit. I am using a set of Koolance manifolds to allow me to do a nice parallel setup. Will it perform well? Who knows?
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/7249/dsc02257s.jpg
The optical bay is one the back in this rig. It will house a Martix Orbital Typhoon display, one of the cool new Lamptron fan controllers, and a blue ray drive. I am thinking about stealthing the bay with modders mesh.
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/8621/dsc02259z.jpg
http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/4396/dsc02263uo.jpg
Using AC Ryan fan grills for contrast with the case.
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2312/dsc02268pf.jpg
Also will use inline temp sensors since I am using Asus ROG boards
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4783/dsc02266w.jpg
By the time I get home from Miami I should have a sleeved PSU from Performance PCS and hopefully will know if I need to do short-term build with my existing hardware (have to be at a show on April 30th) or if my new stuff will be here.
Trace
04-13-2010, 12:48 AM
Love this mod.
billygoat333
04-18-2010, 06:51 PM
those are some sweet w/c goodies ya got there. lol
jiggiwiddit
04-18-2010, 07:01 PM
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Top nopples :lick: Oops did I say that out loud?
Waynio
04-22-2010, 04:38 AM
^ lol :D
The art & cut outs look fantastic, looks perfectly well made, I really like the paint jobs on the rads & other bits :up:.
DarthBeavis
04-26-2010, 10:21 AM
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1989/dsc02271r.jpg
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1427/dsc02277k.jpg
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5872/dsc02273t.jpg
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4551/dsc02286r.jpg
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8946/dsc02276q.jpg
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2488/dsc02284.jpg
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/379/dsc02274j.jpg
PSU Sleeving by Performance PCs . . .
DarthBeavis
04-26-2010, 10:21 AM
Rolled up some red LEDS for the GPU blocks:
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8241/dsc02294y.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/778/dsc02293e.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6795/dsc02295p.jpg
DarthBeavis
04-26-2010, 10:21 AM
Leak testing . . .I realize this type of loop is a little different but then I love to experiment . . .if it does not work well I can always change it and will have to redo it all when my Rampage 3 and 480s come in from Asus and Nvidia . .
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7766/dsc02306a.jpg
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/7016/dsc02305gf.jpg
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3849/dsc02302f.jpg
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/3705/dsc02301d.jpg
http://img186.imageshack.us/i/dsc02304q.jpg/
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/3194/dsc02300t.jpg
Good GNUs . . .I am on Brimstone now . . it fired up just fine . . .temps are not horrible. Temp 1 and 3 are the inline sensors (in the in and out manifolds). Only a 2 degree delta. Thought it would be more. Going to fire up some Bad Company 2 before finishing it up. . .
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5046/brimstone1.png
Couch3ater
04-26-2010, 10:30 AM
Nice temps. Nice loop. Nice case. --jealousy-- Hahaha
Waynio
04-26-2010, 03:18 PM
Looks good Darth, nice temps too 8), what gpu's are they & what speed is the cpu at?.
gtx295s with the 2 board layout (rev 1), correct?
DarthBeavis
04-26-2010, 11:20 PM
Guess Nvidia has the 480s in and are sending me three in a next couple weeks . . .get to enjoy my 295s for just a little while more. Danger Den is hooking me up with three nickle-plated blocks as well . .
CPU is 920 at stock. I am waiting for a Gulftown from Asus as well as a Rampage III
Guess Nvidia has the 480s in and are sending me three in a next couple weeks . . .
:eek: You realize you're going to have to indulge us with benchmarks, yes? :P
DarthBeavis
04-27-2010, 11:58 PM
My secret modder's tools:
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5161/dsc02315h.jpg
My friend at Riddick Graphics made me a nice wrap for the dvd drive and modesty coverups for my case (based on the artwork on my case by Steve Nunez Art of Steve Nunez (www.stevenunez.com) )):
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2162/dsc02316kj.jpg
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3788/dsc02317c.jpg
Got once side done - tomorrow wire management other side and it is done for now - until my 480s and Rampage III get here anyways)
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2268/dsc02321m.jpg
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6766/dsc02322ew.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1800/dsc02319v.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6263/dsc02320z.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/3771/dsc02324fz.jpg
Welches
04-28-2010, 12:18 AM
Now that is one slick looking case! +Rep
Trace
04-28-2010, 12:22 AM
Looks awesome dude!
OvRiDe
04-28-2010, 01:05 AM
Speechless....
Awsome .. sheer Awesome
silverdemon
04-28-2010, 03:40 AM
awesomeness is the only thing that can remotely describe this! nice job!
DarthBeavis
04-28-2010, 02:22 PM
done until the new hardware gets here . . .good enough for the show: http://www.omsi.edu/afterdark
• PDXLAN case modders will have their custom computers on display and will be sharing the art of computer modding with guests. See examples of what will be on display here.
Here are the final pix
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1160/dsc02327i.jpg
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/7729/dsc02328l.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1313/dsc02329k.jpg
artoodeeto
04-28-2010, 02:25 PM
wish I could come up for that show.... case looks awesome! Hopefully I'll be able to see it in person one of these days.
Gotta love them censor strips. dang "family" events.
billygoat333
05-02-2010, 01:19 AM
that airbrushing is tits! ;)
that airbrushing is tits! ;)
I see what you did there. :P
DarthBeavis
05-02-2010, 12:19 PM
Nvidia said they are sending me three 480s next week . . .have the nickle-plated Danger Den blocks ready for them . . .will polish the blocks up to a nice shine before installing of course
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9656/dsc02338q.jpg
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/508/dsc02339n.jpg
Kayin
05-05-2010, 01:05 PM
DB, will you please pass on to Dan and the guys that those are the best fullcovers they've done since the Koosah and Tyee visually? Those are gorgeous.
I wish you guys did the 5770...
Waynio
05-05-2010, 01:43 PM
Nvidia said they are sending me three 480s next week . . .
Gulp :eek:, Whoooah :D:up:, a grand & half of gpu goodness holy moly & all nicely water cooled, I feel dizzy :D.
diluzio91
05-05-2010, 03:39 PM
DB, will you please pass on to Dan and the guys that those are the best fullcovers they've done since the Koosah and Tyee visually? Those are gorgeous.
I wish you guys did the 5770...
Seconded... Love Danger Den. And i sent an email to DangerDen about the 5770, maybe something will come out of it... ill post if it does. :D Sweet lookin case BTW
DarthBeavis
05-05-2010, 03:40 PM
Gulp :eek:, Whoooah :D:up:, a grand & half of gpu goodness holy moly & all nicely water cooled, I feel dizzy :D.
wait til you see you Asus is sending me . . .basically EVERYTHING else.
DarthBeavis
05-05-2010, 03:42 PM
Guys I brought this thread to Danger Den's attention.
Kayin
05-05-2010, 04:23 PM
Thanks. I love those guys and their work.
BTW, posting about ATUK like that at bit took big brass ones. It's greatly appreciated.
DarthBeavis
05-05-2010, 04:51 PM
Thanks. I love those guys and their work.
BTW, posting about ATUK like that at bit took big brass ones. It's greatly appreciated.
the other site you mean that is charging?
Kayin
05-05-2010, 04:58 PM
No, the site that was trademarking other companies names.
DarthBeavis
05-05-2010, 05:01 PM
No, the site that was trademarking other companies names.
LOL - yeah, those guys are of questionable character
DarthBeavis
05-06-2010, 12:04 AM
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/369/dsc02341w.jpg
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2143/dsc02342f.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9641/dsc02344b.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6513/dsc02345a.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3384/dsc02347n.jpg
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4422/dsc02348q.jpg
StormRider
05-06-2010, 12:50 AM
wow. I think the awesomeness of that setup burned out my retinas.
Bbughguhesbuarsd...wow... That is a ridiculous amount of power right there...and a ridiculous power drain too, for that matter. :P They look beautiful in their new coats too. :D
What are you going to be doing with all that power, anyways?
/starts making evil plots :twisted:
The boy 4rm oz
05-06-2010, 11:19 AM
A seriously awesome build DB. Awesome tech mixed in with awesome airbrushing, nice work :D. +rep
Couch3ater
05-06-2010, 04:31 PM
Sexxxxxxxxy. =D
DarthBeavis
05-08-2010, 09:56 PM
Got the 480s in, still need another unisleeved cable but this will work to game on for now - have to replace this with a Rampage III still anyways:
score: 35249
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=2164951
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3732/dsc02365p.jpg
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/9265/dsc02366i.jpg
Not sure what I think of this loop yet.
SXRguyinMA
05-08-2010, 10:04 PM
that thing looks wild!
Couch3ater
05-08-2010, 11:07 PM
<333333 This loooop.
StormRider
05-08-2010, 11:15 PM
that thing scares me
DarthBeavis
05-09-2010, 03:30 PM
Care package from Asus. They sent me an i7 975 to hold me over until they get me a 980X. They also sent an awesome Antec True Power 1200 watt PSU that I will use for my similar Star Wars build.
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/8712/dsc02367s.jpg
StormRider
05-09-2010, 03:43 PM
you lucky dog. This is why I want to mod nice things(one reason anyway)
Waynio
05-09-2010, 09:03 PM
Wow your sponsors must really like you db :D, pretty much a complete ultra high end rig with all that gear, sweeeeeet :), that is so wickedly awesome of your sponsors :).
I'm still yet to taste the lovely freeness of sponsorship, but then again I haven't contacted any companies asking for a little help, I'd be like, reeaallly, this isn't a wind up lol :D, it'd be like christmas eve as a kid :), amazing.
+rep for being mind bogglingly sponsored :D.
Couch3ater
05-09-2010, 10:40 PM
Hahaha, you're amazing for getting sponsored so much. They might as well just give you their secret CORE i8000! We all know they're making it. Hahaha
Off topic:
First place in all divisions at that karate tournament I mentioned. Second place in the sparring Grand Championships.
The boy 4rm oz
05-10-2010, 08:54 AM
Damn your a lucky guy :D.
DarthBeavis
06-13-2010, 03:18 PM
http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/4756/dsc02368h.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7334/dsc02374k.jpg
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/820/dsc02375he.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2669/dsc02370m.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6482/dsc02377t.jpg
installed mobo block, all cables now are sleeved and match. Still working on it but getting better.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/827/dsc02392o.jpg
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5751/dsc02393.jpg
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5393/dsc02394o.jpg
Heheh, nice. That's a pretty impressive MBB block. :D
Went to your imageshack account to find the broken images...
wow you have alot of pics...
and your quite buff :rolleyes: :D
The boy 4rm oz
06-13-2010, 08:58 PM
Love the mobo Beavis, looks great decked out with it's water block and the RAM.
diluzio91
06-13-2010, 09:00 PM
Now if you just want to send me the old one everyone will be happy!
StormRider
06-14-2010, 12:48 AM
Now if you just want to send me the old one everyone will be happy!
I won't be happy. I want it too!:D
DarthBeavis
06-17-2010, 10:05 AM
Inside shot:
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/309/dsc02403v.jpg
The boy 4rm oz
06-17-2010, 10:24 AM
Looks awesome but what's with the green coolant? Definitely has to be red or clear.
DarthBeavis
06-17-2010, 11:02 AM
Looks awesome but what's with the green coolant? Definitely has to be red or clear.
I am thinking either blood red or UV blue. have to add something to the other side and change coolant out anyways.
The boy 4rm oz
06-17-2010, 11:31 AM
Definitely has to be red.
Yup, definitely red. I didn't notice the green until you pointed it out, but now it really stands out to me.
DarthBeavis
06-17-2010, 12:26 PM
Cool, blood red it is. Green is all I had at the time. I do have some red here now though ;) thanks for the input
DarthBeavis
07-07-2010, 12:36 AM
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5972/dsc02441r.jpg
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9782/dsc02444a.jpg
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8600/dsc02442ij.jpg
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:eek: I think you have used up your awesome quota for today.
It's too bad Vodka would pretty well suck as a coolant fluid... :whistler:
ulysses.cazuquel
07-07-2010, 12:53 AM
DarthBeavis
You could try make an lighting with LEDs in the skull :twisted:
StormRider
07-07-2010, 02:26 AM
the awesomeness just blew up my brain. now if you'll excuse me, I have to go see a doctor
Mark_Hardware
07-07-2010, 11:56 AM
Way awesome! I have been trying to think of how I could incorprate my Crystal Head bottle into my rig... Guess you beat me to it lol.
Sweetass idea, and to anybody wondering, the vodka itself was sweetass too!
The boy 4rm oz
07-11-2010, 11:23 AM
That would have to be the most bad ass reservoir of all time. I wish I had that Vodka over here :D.
DarthBeavis
07-31-2010, 02:29 PM
At PDXLAN 16:
http://a.imageshack.us/img713/6384/atpdxlan162.jpg
http://a.imageshack.us/img829/6571/atpdxlan163.jpg
http://a.imageshack.us/img713/5421/atpdxlan.jpg
Replacing florescent light with LED strips tomorrow. Have to ship to QuakeCon.
Trace
07-31-2010, 02:34 PM
Woot! Update! Looks awesome!!
The boy 4rm oz
08-01-2010, 10:14 PM
Looks awesome DB, fantastic work as always :D.
DarthBeavis
03-22-2011, 05:30 PM
Hint: when you use someone else's idea . . .please give credit:
http://www.thebestcasescenario.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25190
I'll say the same thing here that I did there:
Yes, yes, you both used the same bottle. Good for you. I'm sure you weren't the first person to think it would look cool as a reservoir. Aside from that, this build is completely different. You make cool stuff, DarthBeavis, don't ruin it with pointless petty squabbling.
DarthBeavis
03-22-2011, 06:33 PM
I'll say the same thing here that I did there:
Don't think you understand the reason I am pissed. From the article here:
From humble beginnings as a vodka bottle, this project has come a long way, and it's not quite complete, but I'm really impressed with what he's done so far, and I can't wait to see what he comes up with. It's a refreshing thing to see, someone making something that nobody else has. My hat's off to you, Mark-this is what modding is about!
Funny when you look at Mark's post in my worklog last year:
Way awesome! I have been trying to think of how I could incorprate my Crystal Head bottle into my rig... Guess you beat me to it lol.
Sweetass idea, and to anybody wondering, the vodka itself was sweetass too!
again - just give credit to where the original idea came from
Sounds like you're upset with Kayin, not Mark.
And no, I don't really understand why you're pissed, but maybe that's just me. If everyone got upset when someone else used an idea they had, nobody would ever get anything done because we'd all be too busy complaining that somebody stole our idea. IMO, take it as a compliment that Mark thought using it as a reservoir was a good idea and leave it at that. If you're upset that Kayin said nobody else had done it before, proving him wrong is sufficient. I'm sure he would update the article to reflect that if you had simply brought it to his attention.
EDIT:
And as for "original ideas", the concept is so rare that I hesitate to call anything original. Like I said before, I seriously doubt you were the first person to think of using the bottle as a reservoir. I believe you if you say that you didn't get the idea from someone else, and I could even believe that you may have been the first one to do it, but to say that you were the first person anywhere to ever think of it is just naive. I'm not trying to start a war or slander you, that's just the way I see it.
DarthBeavis
03-22-2011, 06:57 PM
Sounds like you're upset with Kayin, not Mark.
And no, I don't really understand why you're pissed, but maybe that's just me. If everyone got upset when someone else used an idea they had, nobody would ever get anything done because we'd all be too busy complaining that somebody stole our idea. IMO, take it as a compliment that Mark thought using it as a reservoir was a good idea and leave it at that. If you're upset that Kayin said nobody else had done it before, proving him wrong is sufficient. I'm sure he would update the article to reflect that if you had simply brought it to his attention.
I am pissed that when I brought it up Charles J Gantt decided to attack me instead of saying TBCS messed up. Mark should have given me credit - yes. But TBCS published the article to FB knowing their statement about him coming up with the idea was not true. Charles J Gantt, when faced with the truth - which I proved - chose to not do the right thing.
his post:
I will ask mark if he would like to credit you, and if he says no then that will be that, end of the story. I had not seen your similar mod until this came up on facebook. Maybe if you would actually participate in the TBCS community instead of just posting your work-log to appease sponsors then one of us would have noticed it.
Furthermore TBCS is home to the most famous modder ever to wield a dremel, Paul Capello. We are also the home of one of the best known up and comers who I get emails about all the time, Will Lyon. There is no reason to try and play the "Im the god of modding card" because we can match it.
TBCS posted the article that was incorrect not Mark. TBCS is the one who needs to fix it but instead they said if Mark choses to not change his worklog then nothing will be done with THEIR article is the issue.
DarthBeavis
03-22-2011, 06:58 PM
EDIT:
And as for "original ideas", the concept is so rare that I hesitate to call anything original. Like I said before, I seriously doubt you were the first person to think of using the bottle as a reservoir. I believe you if you say that you didn't get the idea from someone else, and I could even believe that you may have been the first one to do it, but to say that you were the first person anywhere to ever think of it is just naive. I'm not trying to start a war or slander you, that's just the way I see it.
point is my worklog PROVES he got the idea from me. I walked into a liquor store and got the idea.
SXRguyinMA
03-22-2011, 07:18 PM
I walked into a liquor store and got the idea.
and how many others have done the same but never posted a worklog? a vodka bottle like that? hell if I had seen one in a store I would have had the idea too!
From the modder's code of conduct regarding ideas and copyright (copied from a similar discussion at bit-tech). http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=197582&page=4&
1) Don't copy another modder's ideas or mod unless you get permission.
2) Say thank you and give credit if you copy a mod
3) Mark your stuff if you want to tell another modder if and how they can copy it. (Langer suggested Creative commons at one point/Kayin CopyLeft)
4) The internet is full of monsters. Don't post it if you intend to profit from it or don't want others to profit from it
5) If you think you have been slighted, talk to the other modder. You likely have more in common than you realize.
Finally, when in doubt, refer to the Bindi Precept "Don't be a dick." (Bindi©2010)
The idea was inspired by DB's mod. Mark should have given credit in his worklog so Kayin would have known. What's the big deal about printing a correction?
The only wrong I see anywhere here is an offhand remark by the journalist who wrote the article, failing to remember that one small part of the mod had been done before. I hadn't actually read the article before you mentioned it (since I have been following the project since its start), but comparing your quoted segment to the current text, it looks like Kayin has fixed the reference:
From humble beginnings as a vodka bottle, this project has come a long way, and it's not quite complete, but I'm really impressed with what he's done so far, and I can't wait to see what he comes up with. It's a refreshing thing to see, someone making something that nobody else has. My hat's off to you, Mark-this is what modding is about!
As far as I am concerned, the issue was handled well. I can't comment on any interactions on Facebook, as I have no knowledge of (and couldn't really care less) what happens on that site, but as for anything that happened here on TBCS, I think the matter was handled well by the staff. If you feel differently, fine, that's your prerogative. But don't expect anyone here to bend over backwards to please you.
TBCS is home to many, many talented individuals, any number of whom are at any time creating many great, interesting things. We share ideas freely, without any expectation of anything in return. I can't speak for everyone, but IMO, this system works beautifully, and I think we are all better for it.
DarthBeavis
03-22-2011, 07:33 PM
From the modder's code of conduct regarding ideas and copyright (copied from a similar discussion at bit-tech). http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=197582&page=4&
1) Don't copy another modder's ideas or mod unless you get permission.
2) Say thank you and give credit if you copy a mod
3) Mark your stuff if you want to tell another modder if and how they can copy it. (Langer suggested Creative commons at one point/Kayin CopyLeft)
4) The internet is full of monsters. Don't post it if you intend to profit from it or don't want others to profit from it
5) If you think you have been slighted, talk to the other modder. You likely have more in common than you realize.
Finally, when in doubt, refer to the Bindi Precept "Don't be dick." (Bindi©2010)
The idea was inspired by DB's mod. Mark should have given credit in his worklog so Kayin would have known. What's the big deal about printing a correction?That is all I ask. Mark did an amazing job and deserves credit. Kayin would surely fix it but he is dealing with issues that are WAY more important. Charles J Gantt (not sure what his handle is here) is the one who refused to deal with it in a constructive way. He has effected more damage to TBCS when it could have been a win/win situation.
slaveofconvention
03-22-2011, 07:34 PM
There has been an amendment made to the article in respect of this issue. I would point out a couple of things though.
First, Kayin wrote the article and I don't believe for a second he'd have phrased it that way if he'd seen the previous skull reservoir.
Second, I edited, proofread, and marked the article ready for publishing, and I guarantee that I hadn't seen the previous skull
Third, as soon as we were aware of there being a possible error or omission, we DID take reasonable steps to address the situation.
Fourth, and finally, I refer to "Rule" 5 of Mach's post. There was absolutely no need for this ridiculous public situation. If you read over most of the comments, they are NOT disagreeing with the original issue - that of uncredited inspiration - but finding issue with the way DarthBeavis has chosen to handle it.
Now how about we draw a line under this, LEARN from it (otherwise what's the bloody point) and move on.
Darth, I strongly reccomend you PM or email Mark regarding this issue. Sort it out between the two of you, in private - I'm sure he'll credit you albeit with a little prompting and we can ALL go back to some semblance of normality.
That's the nice polite way to put it. Less polite. Enough already - we're not here to argue and fight - lets sort it out and move on before things get out of hand.
DarthBeavis
03-22-2011, 07:34 PM
The only wrong I see anywhere here is an offhand remark by the journalist who wrote the article, failing to remember that one small part of the mod had been done before. I hadn't actually read the article before you mentioned it (since I have been following the project since its start), but comparing your quoted segment to the current text, it looks like Kayin has fixed the reference:
As far as I am concerned, the issue was handled well. I can't comment on any interactions on Facebook, as I have no knowledge of (and couldn't really care less) what happens on that site, but as for anything that happened here on TBCS, I think the matter was handled well by the staff. If you feel differently, fine, that's your prerogative. But don't expect anyone here to bend over backwards to please you.
TBCS is home to many, many talented individuals, any number of whom are at any time creating many great, interesting things. We share ideas freely, without any expectation of anything in return. I can't speak for everyone, but IMO, this system works beautifully, and I think we are all better for it.
the FB article linked back here so if you do not know what went on there then you do not have room to make an informed decision. I respect what you are saying from your perspective but you need to take it all into consideration
DarthBeavis
03-22-2011, 07:36 PM
There has been an amendment made to the article in respect of this issue. I would point out a couple of things though.
First, Kayin wrote the article and I don't believe for a second he'd have phrased it that way if he'd seen the previous skull reservoir.
Second, I edited, proofread, and marked the article ready for publishing, and I guarantee that I hadn't seen the previous skull
Third, as soon as we were aware of there being a possible error or omission, we DID take reasonable steps to address the situation.
Fourth, and finally, I refer to "Rule" 5 of Mach's post. There was absolutely no need for this ridiculous public situation. If you read over most of the comments, they are NOT disagreeing with the original issue - that of uncredited inspiration - but finding issue with the way DarthBeavis has chosen to handle it.
Now how about we draw a line under this, LEARN from it (otherwise what's the bloody point) and move on.
Darth, I strongly reccomend you PM or email Mark regarding this issue. Sort it out between the two of you, in private - I'm sure he'll credit you albeit with a little prompting and we can ALL go back to some semblance of normality.
That's the nice polite way to put it. Less polite. Enough already - we're not here to argue and fight - lets sort it out and move on before things get out of hand.again - Mark and I are NOT the main issue.
again - Mark and I are NOT the main issue.
Yes, and the main issue has been dealt with...what more do you want. -_^
DarthBeavis
03-22-2011, 07:47 PM
settled - thinks to the TBCS who looked at this fairly and fixed it
Kayin
03-24-2011, 12:16 AM
DB, we've known each other a long time. I wouldn't intentionally slight you. As you said, life has been pretty busy for me resently, so I wasn't around to fix it immediately when it went out.
Even though it's fixed and there aren't hard feelings, I want to offer you my own apology-I don't believe I saw your skull reservoir first, and therefore I printed wrong copy. If you ever have an issue with something I wrote, let me know-I'll deal with it if it's factual errors. You have so many projects it's hard to keep up. And that IS a good thing.
I'm sorry that things went pear-shaped on this, but I want you to know that I had no intent to overlook you-if you know what's going on, overlooking is now one of the easiest things I do, unfortunately. That whole partial blindness thing.
That said, I think (hope) there are no hard feelings. We just moved Asher home so I've been offline, but I've been following this whole thing since I got on. I really wish I had done better homework this time, guys.
And I'll always be willing to admit if I'm wrong. Journalistic integrity. I try to have it.
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