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Luke122
06-18-2010, 01:28 PM
Unless you are living under a rock these days, you have heard of an SSD. A Solid State Drive is a hard drive composed of non-volatile NAND memory, rather then mechanical parts like a standard hard drive. The benefits are many; no moving parts means less chance of mechanical failure, far faster seek, read, and write times, ZERO noise, ZERO vibration, much less heat output, lighter weight, and potentially less power consumption. (Independent testing of power requirements show great variances between brands and models, so I’ll leave the power savings as a possibility.)

Well, with all of these great benefits, why don’t we all have SSD’s, and hard drives can be completely retired?

The cost of an SSD means that we end up paying substantially more for similar capacity, and not all applications need the consistently higher speeds that an SSD can offer. The SSD in this test is 160gb, and cost nearly $500 CAD. A standard 2.5” (laptop size) hard drive will cost you around $60; a fairly large margin of difference! Standard hard drives are now available in 2TB (2 Terabytes, or 2000 Gigabytes), and cost around $250, depending on where you shop.

Comparitively, you can get 2 – 2TB SATA HDD’s for the same price as ONE 160gb SATA SSD. With those two 2TB HDD’s, you could set up a RAID stripe, and get a very healthy increase in performance that will come close to the speed of the SSD. Close, but not quite. Plus, you now have two possible points of failure, and twice the weight, noise, heat, vibration, and added complexity of a RAID. You also get 25 times the storage capacity. Decisions, decisions…

Keep in mind that most notebook computers do not offer dual hard drives (some do, not all that have two drives offer RAID ability), and that the current largest 2.5” (notebook size) hard drive I’ve seen is 750gb, so ultimately, you *could* get 1.5tb RAID setup in a notebook. If you *really* want to.. I don’t recommend it.

Anyways…

Today I’ll be replacing the hard drive in a Fujitsu Lifebook T-Series tablet PC, to see how much of a gain in performance you can realistically expect from an SSD. The existing hard drive is a Fujitsu 160gb, 5400rpm SATA drive. The SSD we are replacing it with is an Intel X25-M, 160gb.

At a cost of almost $500 for the SSD, this is not a cheap upgrade. However, the read and write speeds of the SSD make a pretty good argument for a performance gain! Once you factor in the cost of reinstalling your OS, apps, data, and the time spent on all of that, you could be looking at a $600-700 upgrade for your laptop. If you are buying a new OS, include another $150-200. Is your laptop worth spending $900 to upgrade?

The Victim.. err.. System

The base system specs are as follows:

Fujitsu Lifebook

Model T5010

CPU: T9550 @ 2.66ghz

Ram: PC2-5300 (1x1gb, 1x2gb)

OS: Vista Business SP2 (32 Bit)

Current HDD: Fujitsu CP224812 – 160gb, 5400rpm



With this configuration, I recorded a baseline boot time of 46 seconds from Pressing the power button, to the Windows Login box, ready for the user password. The system was tuned up before the test, to ensure the best possible response time. Temps and recycle bin were emptied, unnecessary services were disabled.

I’m using Paragon HDD Manager to clone the hard drive to the SSD, with all the partitions and data kept exactly as is. This will give the best possible comparison, since there are no other factors to consider in the speed difference.

There are 3 partitions on the drive; a small diagnostic partition, a recovery partition, and a primary NTFS partition of 140gb. The clone is being done on a separate computer, with both drives attached to a PCI - SATA controller card, and the estimated time to complete is 34 minutes.

This seems unusually long to me, but there is approximately 100gb in use on the drive, so I suppose it’s not unreasonable to assume 50mb/s for the copy process.

After the completion of the drive, I attempted to boot the SSD. I was prompted with a repair startup error, so I dropped in the Vista Biz dvd, and ran the repair tool. After that completed, I shut the system down completely.

From a cold startup (first try), the system booted to the log in prompt in 34.4 seconds! That’s a 12.2 second improvement! Substantially faster!

Part 2 to come...

x88x
06-18-2010, 05:16 PM
Should be interesting. I never tried to quantify my SSD performance increase, especially since I went from an old, dying HDD to two SSDs in a RAID0, so the difference was exaggerated anyways. ;)

BTW, WD does make a 1TB 2.5" HDD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136545

It's a 5200RPM drive though, so I wouldn't recommend running your OS off it. I think it's more likely aimed at laptops with dual HDD bays anyways. That way you can have a fast SSD running you OS and this for storage. ..or you could just wait for the hybrid drives to get bigger.. :whistler:

Luke122
06-18-2010, 05:28 PM
I wish I had done more testing, with apps opening and stuff, but alas, the customer was in a hurry to get it back.

I'll write more tonight when I get a chance, to explain some of the necessary changes in windows, and how they affect performance, stability, etc.

mDust
06-19-2010, 10:59 AM
If the SSD had its way, Windows would boot in a couple seconds. Unfortunately, most of the boot process is Windows examining installed hardware and not the loading of software. So that 12 seconds is probably 90% of the software load time that was just cut off. :up:
Trust me, the rest of your PC components have been flashing your HDD dirty looks for years...since HDDs have long been the very slowest part of any PC, even the lowliest of SSDs is a pretty big upgrade.

SXRguyinMA
06-25-2010, 10:14 AM
even the Windows Experience score says so lol.

Here's mine (q6600@ 2.4, 6GB DDR2-800, 2x 3870x2 in crossfire, 1.5TB Seagate 5400Rpm)
Processor: 6.2
Memory: 6.2
Graphics: 7.1
Gaming Graphics: 7.1
Primary Hard disk: 5.9

IIRC most people here, no matter what the HDD (standard mechanical one), speed, etc are getting 5.9 for it. strange...

x88x
06-25-2010, 11:55 AM
Yeah, I think it basically just looks to see if you have any platter HDDs in the system, and if you do it caps it at 5.9.

Diamon
06-26-2010, 05:52 PM
Something that can't really be scientifically proven is the feel of having an SSD. Believe me when I say that all aspects of your life will improve from having one :)

jevery
06-27-2010, 10:27 PM
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Here's what an Intel SSD did for my index

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http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff354/21weber42/Computer/WindowsPerformance.png

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http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff354/21weber42/Computer/WindowsPerformance-1.png

mtekk
06-28-2010, 08:40 PM
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Here's what an Intel SSD did for my index
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http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff354/21weber42/Computer/WindowsPerformance-1.png

Heh, I get a 7.8 with my x25-m 80GB G1 SSD.

lol, your graphics performance went down while everything else went up.

Luke122
06-29-2010, 02:07 PM
Sorry I didnt post any more to this one guys, the day after I completed this part, I got offered a new and much higher paying job, so I gave notice, rushed to finish the optimization on the system for the customer, and forgot all about this!

But yeah, after just swapping the ssd, 12 seconds off the startup time, which works out to about a 25% improvement!

I can definitely say that the machine just felt so much snappier too.. things jumped open more quickly, document saves/opens were almost instantaneous, etc.

Definitely a cool upgrade, but damn... $500?

x88x
06-29-2010, 03:23 PM
Well, $500 wasn't really necessary. The X-25M isn't really that great a drive anymore, tbh, and other manufacturers have made cheaper and much better performing drives. IMO the best balance atm is the OCZ Vertex 2. The 120GB version (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227551) is $355 atm at Newegg, and gets:
Max Read: 285 MB/s
Max Write: 275MB/s
Sustained Write: 250MB/s

Crazy performance increase over the previous generation Vertex drives, and way better than the Intel drives.

jevery
06-29-2010, 05:24 PM
Well, $500 wasn't really necessary. The X-25M isn't really that great a drive anymore, tbh, and other manufacturers have made cheaper and much better performing drives. IMO the best balance atm is the OCZ Vertex 2. The 120GB version (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227551) is $355 atm at Newegg, and gets:
Max Read: 285 MB/s
Max Write: 275MB/s
Sustained Write: 250MB/s
Crazy performance increase over the previous generation Vertex drives, and way better than the Intel drives.

I wouldn't say way better, In this (http://www.guru3d.com/article/ocz-vertex-2-ssd-review/1) review the Vertex 2 only managed 226 mb/s average read.

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff354/21weber42/Computer/OCZT.jpg (http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff354/21weber42/Computer/OCZ.jpg)

My X-25 averages 231 mb/s and costs about 9% less per GB

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff354/21weber42/Computer/HDTest-2T.jpg (http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff354/21weber42/Computer/HDTest-2-1.jpg)
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Luke122
06-29-2010, 05:24 PM
We just went with what the customer asked for. He specifically chose that make/model, so we said ok. He said "damn the cost" and we said !!! but ok.

He's super happy with it anyways, so that's all that matters.

x88x
06-29-2010, 06:39 PM
I wouldn't say way better, In this (http://www.guru3d.com/article/ocz-vertex-2-ssd-review/1) review the Vertex 2 only managed 226 mb/s average read.

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff354/21weber42/Computer/OCZT.jpg (http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff354/21weber42/Computer/OCZ.jpg)

My X-25 averages 231 mb/s and costs about 9% less per GB

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff354/21weber42/Computer/HDTest-2T.jpg (http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff354/21weber42/Computer/HDTest-2-1.jpg)
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Every site that I've seen benchmark SSDs has said that HD Tune still doesn't handle SSDs very well, and in fact in the review you linked, they specifically mentioned (and showed) that the Vertex 2 performed much worse on the HD Tune test than on any of the other benchmarks. I would be interested to see the performance of the newer X25-M's in the Atto, IO Meter, and SiSoft Sandra benchmarks. I found this review (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/788/8/) that has Atto benchmarks for a X25-M, but it's almost 2 years old, and I believe (and hope) that Intel has updated the X25-M line since then. The place where almost every SATA MLC SSD I've seen struggles the most is write speeds, both sustained and burst, and that is exactly the point that the SandForce controllers are designed to address, and from what I can see looking at all of the benchmarking software used in the article you linked, they succeeded beautifully.

jevery
06-29-2010, 07:23 PM
For my use, write speed is inconsequential and the reason that I didn't go with a Corsair SSD back when I bought the Intel. To be fair, this (http://www.myce.com/review/ocz-vertex-2-100gb-ssd-review-30021/Benchmarks-4/) review does show a better average read in HD Tune than the one I linked earlier and it also has a direct comparison with the Intel, but the earlier G1, not the G2.