Full UFO disclosure

[TheGreatSatan]

Has anyone heard of this? It's a long video shot by some very top echlon people about the full disclosure of what the world knows about UFO's.

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[Oneslowz28]

sudo apt-get install tinfoil hat

[TheGreatSatan]

Skip to 1hour 11min and it gets crazy

[Konrad]

And then it gets even crazier, lol
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[TheGreatSatan]

I don't know. They all seem to be legit

[Konrad]

Makes me wanna go play some XCOM, lol

[x88x]

Hmmm, ok, disclaimer, I didn't watch the whole thing (I might listen to it tomorrow while working on my LC loop), but a few comments on the guy at 1:11

1) I very highly doubt that if such a thing happened, it would only be classified 'Secret' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_United_States).
2) By releasing information on a classified operation, he is technically committing treason unless that operation has been officially declassified. The (I'm guessing) lack of official response to his release of this information could be attributed to a few different reasons.
2a:conspiracy) An official response would lend credence to his claims, something that, if his claims are accurate, would likely not be in the interest of someone in a position to press charges.
2b:nutjob) No such thing actually happened, therefore no classified information was released.
2c:misinterpretation) The time period that he talks about was in the late 1960's...this was the Cold War, folks, I imagine a similar reaction would have been made whether it were extraterrestrial or simply extranational in origin.
2d:declassified) The information, whatever it was, has since been declassified and is freely available to any US citizen willing to dig through mountains of paper.

That being said, I am firmly of the belief that life (yes, even intelligent life) exists elsewhere in the universe. Yes, the probability that life will exist in a given location is immensely small, but given that it does exist on at least one planet (this one), I think that the probability that that event (whatever you believe it was is irrelevant) only occurred once is even smaller. To paraphrase Shakespeare, there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in our philosophy.

[TheGreatSatan]

1) I very highly doubt that if such a thing happened, it would only be classified 'Secret' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_United_States).

Depends on the year it happened.


2) By releasing information on a classified operation, he is technically committing treason unless that operation has been officially declassified. The (I'm guessing) lack of official response to his release of this information could be attributed to a few different reasons.

The gov't can just call him crazy and everyone would agree.


2d:declassified) The information, whatever it was, has since been declassified and is freely available to any US citizen willing to dig through mountains of paper.

Unless it was shredded.

[Oneslowz28]

Maybe the Denver Airport (http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Denver_Airport.html) holds the answers....


If even 1/3 of any of this were true then it would be on every news station, news site, and talk show in the world. I mean hell, Lindsey Lohan can not drink a beer with out every new station breaking into programing to cover it. If anyone of our elected officials even so much as has a wet fart there are 15000000 "political analyst" on TV and Blogging about what it means for America. Hell just this week alone a 8 year old girl was kicked off a cheerleading team because her mom wouldn't let her cheer the cheers, and it made national news on EVERY single new channel.

I look at it this way: With the hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy alone, each one could be the center of a solar system with a planet or planets full of life. The new space telescopes are finding earth-like exo planets in other solar systems every day (1 (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100106093642.htm), 2 (http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/61096,news-comment,news-politics,new-earth-like-planet-exoplanet-search-for-life-corot-9b-alien-extraterrestrial-life), 3 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-450467/Found-20-light-years-away-New-Earth.html)). Now just think about all the other galaxies in the universe. Its a very very very large number also. It seems every where we point Hubble's wide-field camera at any part of space, we see tons of galaxies( 1 (http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/images/hs-2009-31-a-large_web.jpg), 2 (http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/images/hs-2004-07-b-large_web.jpg), 3 (http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/images/hs-2004-21-a-large_web.jpg), 4 (http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/images/hs-2004-07-h-large_web.jpg), 5 (http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/images/hs-2004-07-h-large_web.jpg), 6 (http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/images/hs-2004-07-e-large_web.jpg), 7 (http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/images/hs-2004-07-d-large_web.jpg)). So if each one of those galaxies contain just 1 billion stars, we are taking about billions of billions of stars that could possibly contain a life bearing planet. Will we ever make contact with those planets? Maybe one day but not in our nor our great great great grandchildren's lives. Those planets are simply too far away. What we see today, actually happened thousands to billions of years ago. Its like we are looking back in time via a live video feed / crystal ball type deal.

Hell for all we know half of the universe is already gone and we are just seeing the light that was sent billions of years ago. Like when an astronomer discovers a super nova, its a huge deal because we literally are watching a star blowing up with our own eyes, yet it happened thousands, millions, or even billions of years in the past.

Have we discovered ET and covered it up? I doubt it. If we have then why have more not came and made themselves known? If they can make it all the way to earth from the nearest star system, then I am 100% positive that they are intelligent and advanced enough that no small human government is going to suppress them from the world for over 70 years now.

[mDust]

Maybe the Denver Airport (http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Denver_Airport.html) holds the answers....


If even 1/3 of any of this were true then it would be on every news station, news site, and talk show in the world. I mean hell, Lindsey Lohan can not drink a beer with out every new station breaking into programing to cover it. If anyone of our elected officials even so much as has a wet fart there are 15000000 "political analyst" on TV and Blogging about what it means for America. Hell just this week alone a 8 year old girl was kicked off a cheerleading team because her mom wouldn't let her cheer the cheers, and it made national news on EVERY single new channel.

I look at it this way: With the hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy alone, each one could be the center of a solar system with a planet or planets full of life. The new space telescopes are finding earth-like exo planets in other solar systems every day (1 (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100106093642.htm), 2 (http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/61096,news-comment,news-politics,new-earth-like-planet-exoplanet-search-for-life-corot-9b-alien-extraterrestrial-life), 3 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-450467/Found-20-light-years-away-New-Earth.html)). Now just think about all the other galaxies in the universe. Its a very very very large number also. It seems every where we point Hubble's wide-field camera at any part of space, we see tons of galaxies( 1 (http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/images/hs-2009-31-a-large_web.jpg), 2 (http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/images/hs-2004-07-b-large_web.jpg), 3 (http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/images/hs-2004-21-a-large_web.jpg), 4 (http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/images/hs-2004-07-h-large_web.jpg), 5 (http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/images/hs-2004-07-h-large_web.jpg), 6 (http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/images/hs-2004-07-e-large_web.jpg), 7 (http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/images/hs-2004-07-d-large_web.jpg)). So if each one of those galaxies contain just 1 billion stars, we are taking about billions of billions of stars that could possibly contain a life bearing planet. Will we ever make contact with those planets? Maybe one day but not in our nor our great great great grandchildren's lives. Those planets are simply too far away. What we see today, actually happened thousands to billions of years ago. Its like we are looking back in time via a live video feed / crystal ball type deal.

Hell for all we know half of the universe is already gone and we are just seeing the light that was sent billions of years ago. Like when an astronomer discovers a super nova, its a huge deal because we literally are watching a star blowing up with our own eyes, yet it happened thousands, millions, or even billions of years in the past.

Have we discovered ET and covered it up? I doubt it. If we have then why have more not came and made themselves known? If they can make it all the way to earth from the nearest star system, then I am 100% positive that they are intelligent and advanced enough that no small human government is going to suppress them from the world for over 70 years now.
Exactly this.

What are the odds of life spontaneously or otherwise coming into existence? Extremely unlikely. What are the odds if we include every corner of the universe over a period of 14 billion years? Extremely likely. I'll bet there is life similar and dissimilar to life on earth spread all over this universe filling various niches. Earth is just another of these niches.

I definitely agree that if a species mastered interstellar travel, they'd have their way with us in any way they thought fit. We'd just be another exhibit in their galactic zoo, working slaves, food, trade partners, or simply an expendable animal living on a planet full of resources ripe for the taking.

I wouldn't doubt that a peaceful UFO on a scouting mission was shot down by a paranoid earth government and then was covered up for political reasons. Would an elected official be reelected after they announced they discovered and simultaneously destroyed aliens from another planet thus starting Star War I? Not likely. They'd cover it up and collect their paycheck.

[Mark_Hardware]

I mean hell, Lindsey Lohan can not drink a beer with out every new station breaking into programing to cover it.

Yeah, but this is America. That kinda stuff is important to Americans. Nobody cares about poverty, strife, hunger... Bah! BOOOORRRRIING I want to know what dumb**** Britney Spears is doing now.

[slaveofconvention]

My 2c, bearing in mind I haven't even glanced at the video...

1) I think it is extremely arrogant and narrow-minded for us to believe, for a single second, that of all of the planets, orbiting all of the suns, in all of the galaxies, that only ONE has produced life.... Utter nonesense in my opinion.

2) Assuming 1 "proves" the existence of extraterrestrial life, I suggest we bear in mind that the "primitive" life on this planet is already more than capable of land, sea and air travel which is almost completely undetectable by todays technology. It's a safe bet that IF an ET came to visit, we wouldn't have a bloody clue about it unless they wanted us to.

3) Assuming that 1 proves they exist, and 2 proves they could have been here, I'd also suggest that IF we managed to detect them, they'd be more than technologically capable of dealing with any weaponry we could bring to bear against them.

I think the chances of aliens visiting is slim in the extreme, the chances of us detecting them IF they visited, slimmer still, the chances of us being able to actually take them out if we detected them slimmer still.....

Yes they're out there, but no, there's no way we know a damned thing about it if they are....

[ownaginatious]

This video has an amazing ability for putting me to sleep.

[TheGreatSatan]

I thought it was interesting. Look at Area 51 and that other one nearby built into the mountain. You cannot get in. When you come anywhere near it, you get arrested by military police. After Christianity took hold there was about 800 years where science was evil. Any other race would have at least that much time to advance. We've gone from inventing the airplane to the moon landing in less than a hundred years. Imagine another 700?

[x88x]

I thought it was interesting. Look at Area 51 and that other one nearby built into the mountain. You cannot get in. When you come anywhere near it, you get arrested by military police.

To be fair, this is true about a lot of military bases. You make a good point about the dark ages though.

[mDust]

After Christianity took hold there was about 800 years where science was evil. Any other race would have at least that much time to advance. We've gone from inventing the airplane to the moon landing in less than a hundred years. Imagine another 700?

Christianity may have affected a great deal of the population but not everyone. Science has been advancing exponentially since man mastered fire a million or more years ago. So the reasoning behind what you said is probably wrong, however, your point is still a good one. Instead of hundreds of years, think of billions. Another species circling a nearby star could have evolved a few billion years before us. I would not doubt they would view us like we would an ant.

[TheGreatSatan]

. . . . . . but are they visiting us?

[mDust]

. . . . . . but are they visiting us?

Yeah, I knocked 3 of the buggers in the head with a steel pipe and locked them in my closet. They learned to speak English pretty damn fast and demanded that I let them go or their mothership in orbit would 'tear this miserable planet asunder after they were rescued'...I laughed in their ugly green faces...

[x88x]

demanded that I let them go or their mothership in orbit would 'tear this miserable planet asunder after they were rescued'

...this seems like more of an incentive to kill them and destroy the evidence..well, assuming you aren't going to release them.. If their mothership won't destroy the planet until they're rescued, you just have to make sure that they're never rescued. :whistler:

[mDust]

If their mothership won't destroy the planet until they're rescued, you just have to make sure that they're never rescued. :whistler:
Beautiful logic. I think I might doom you all and the rest of the planet to test this theory. Cross your fingers!

[TheGreatSatan]

...I laughed in their ugly green faces...

You must be confused. They're gray:facepalm:

[x88x]

/\ Don't mind him, he's color-blind.. :whistler:

[RogueOpportunist]

Hmmm... There is definitely life on other planets, of that I have no doubt... The legitimacy of this and people like this? That I doubt.

I err on the side of logic and that logic has a hard time with things like this, not because of the "material" in question but because of the people. America (and to a lesser extent the west in general) as a society is so "fame driven" it has become an illness, people will do anything to get on TV, "social" sites like facebook, myspace and twitter solely exist to ingratiate the ego and act as a serrogate mother for people who think "importance" is having as many people as possible care about every little thing you do, this disease has gotten so bad that sites like twitter are populated with millions of people who pretend they care about what their friends are up to on a minute to minute basis just so they can get their friends to pretend to care what they are up to and with enough support these "communities" fester into bubbles of ego driven delusion.

That being said, the reason I find this stuff hard to swallow is like the guy with clay casts of bigfoot feet there is nothing substantiated with the claims, yet these people are on television, writing books or otherwise trying to gain notoriety... Sure they say that's not why they do it... But that's like someone saying "I'm not racist but..." right before they say something racist.

Any self respecting researcher would know the moment they step under a spot light without an alien standing right beside them their credibility is shot so by my personal logic I would have to believe that anyone SERIOUSLY involved in anything like this would just keep his mouth shut knowing full well that without an alien or bigfoot standing right beside him the only people in the audience that would take him seriously are the crackpot fringe and if standing in the spotlight talking about aliens didn't lose you your credibility, having those guys on your side would.

[mDust]

Hmmm... There is definitely life on other planets, of that I have no doubt... The legitimacy of this and people like this? That I doubt.

I err on the side of logic and that logic has a hard time with things like this, not because of the "material" in question but because of the people. America (and to a lesser extent the west in general) as a society is so "fame driven" it has become an illness, people will do anything to get on TV, "social" sites like facebook, myspace and twitter solely exist to ingratiate the ego and act as a serrogate mother for people who think "importance" is having as many people as possible care about every little thing you do, this disease has gotten so bad that sites like twitter are populated with millions of people who pretend they care about what their friends are up to on a minute to minute basis just so they can get their friends to pretend to care what they are up to and with enough support these "communities" fester into bubbles of ego driven delusion.

That being said, the reason I find this stuff hard to swallow is like the guy with clay casts of bigfoot feet there is nothing substantiated with the claims, yet these people are on television, writing books or otherwise trying to gain notoriety... Sure they say that's not why they do it... But that's like someone saying "I'm not racist but..." right before they say something racist.

Any self respecting researcher would know the moment they step under a spot light without an alien standing right beside them their credibility is shot so by my personal logic I would have to believe that anyone SERIOUSLY involved in anything like this would just keep his mouth shut knowing full well that without an alien or bigfoot standing right beside him the only people in the audience that would take him seriously are the crackpot fringe and if standing in the spotlight talking about aliens didn't lose you your credibility, having those guys on your side would.

Lol! Awesome! I didn't even watch the video but I'll bet that just about sums it up. Welcome to TBCS. +rep

[TheGreatSatan]

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[mDust]

I watched that video and found nothing wrong with it until his conclusion. He arrived at his conclusion without any evidence to support it and did so only to support his anti-nuclear agenda. I could give a million examples of other nonsense conclusions but it would be offensive and against forum rules.

[x88x]

A couple points, that could be taken either way:

1) If there were such being observing us or our planet for any reason, any location with high levels of radiation would be of interest whether to gauge technological advancement, damage to a potentially useful planet, possible threat, or any number of reasons.

2) I would highly doubt that if such were the case, that the intentions would be those that he states. I think a much more plausible reason would be that they are studying us in the infancy of our understanding of a potentially world-changing field. Think of it like us watching apes using sticks to root out insects...we watch from a distance, then try and get closer. If they notice us, we might still stay and observe and only leave when they react or we might leave as soon as we realize that we have been spotted.

3) No known science supports the feasibility of a sphere or cigar shaped craft operating inside our planet's atmosphere. This is not to say that some unknown science could not support it, but I find it suspect.