Started HCG

[BuzzKillington]

Well, today is the loading phase of HCG. Time to start gorging myself with fatty foods. Starting weight 210.

[SXRguyinMA]

good luck!

[Mark_Hardware]

your trying to lose weight from 210? That's not a bad weight, depending on your height... I cycle HGH and try to gain weight from 235 lol

What's your target weight?

[BuzzKillington]

I'm 6'1 and fairly muscular but I'd like to cut down to 180ish

I was 184 in boot camp but quickly shot back up to 196 after I was dropped to MRP for 2 months. I was medically discharged at 196 and since my knee was out of commission for a while AND I was eating all the amazing foods I missed dearly + no job to that and it's a recipe to gain fast. haha

[TheGreatSatan]

That stuff doesn't work. Most of those things are so widdled down because of regulations that they're nearly useless. I've been a board member of IronMagazineForums (http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/members/thegreatsatan.html) since before I came to TBCS.

This (http://www.ironmaglabs.com/superdrol-dmz.php) is what you need.

[BuzzKillington]

I'll check that out as well after the cycle. Since I've already started HCG I'm going to go for it and see where it takes me. 4.4 lbs so far, mostly water weight I'm sure. Time well tell.

Day 1 -4.4
Day 2 -3.2

[BuzzKillington]

Update: Stopped the cycle after a week to switch to an alternate method. I have ~10 days left on this phase so hopefully I'll hit the 180lb mark.

HCG day 24: -21lbs.

[SXRguyinMA]

awesome! good luck!

[Oneslowz28]

So I am building a website for a guy who has been cycling for 45 days now. Hes lost 7" from his waist line. I have been reading up on this and am ready to start myself. Point me in the right direction buzz.

Starting Weight 278lbs

Goal 200lbs

[Yeticorn]

After a quick google of what HCG was, I'm intrigued. I've tried other diets, but they've been ineffective. I have a couple of questions though. I'm sitting around 190, but I'm pretty muscle-less and have almost always sat around 165/170 (I'm 5'11" btw). Is this the way to go for me? From what I've read, 1 cycle should be enough to lose 25ish lbs. Also, is HCG itself expensive?

Sorry for the lack of oranization here and thanks ahead of time. Like I said I'm completely clueless here and want to make sure I do this right.

[BuzzKillington]

First I'd start by reading this:

http://www.diyhcg.com/skin/frontend/default/diyhcg/docs/Dr%20Simeons%20Manuscript.pdf

This lady has lost a ton of weight and her videos have a lot of good info.

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Yeti, HCG is actually pretty cheap on its own and will pay for itself from saving money on other foods. You don't have much to lose so one 5000 I.U vial of HCG (~$35) would last you around 28 days. There are multiple brands so the prices vary.

Most people use: Hucog, Corion and Ovidac brand.
http://www.alldaychemist.com/hcg/hcg_diet_product.php
http://www.pharmacyescrow.com/s33559-s-HCG-PREGNYL.aspx

Other supplies you'd need are:

- 1ml insulin syringes ($15 for 100).

- Bacteriostatic water (link (http://www.bodyinfluence.com/626-bacteriostatic-water-30ml.html)of where I got mine) ~$10

- 5ml or 10ml vials ~$5-10 depending on where you get them.

- alcohol pads ~$10 for a huge box.

- Kitchen scale ~15+

You can also do sublingual (under the tongue, no injections) but I found it to be a pain in the ass. You have to hold the liquid under your tongue for 10-20 minutes twice a day... it got old, fast. It also uses up your HCG twice as fast.

Here's a good forum for doing research: http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/forum.php

Hope this helps guys. Take a week or two for research to make sure it's something you can/want to do although because it's effective with literally no exercise, it's extremely easy. You'll be hungry for the first day but after that, eating becomes more of a chore than anything. If you're like me and LOVE food, you'll probably have cravings of foods you miss. :P

[Oneslowz28]

How bad were the hunger pangs the first week buzz? I am 80% leaning towards starting this.

[BuzzKillington]

The first day I was off work and had nothing to do and felt hungry but not to the point where I needed to eat. The second day I worked and didn't feel hungry and haven't since. Today I went out to cook, got distracted and 3 hours later realized I forgot to eat. I should also mention I'm off today and have nothing to do and haven't felt even a tingle.

I've read that if you load well you wont be hungry starting the diet. The first 2 days of the diet you literally eat as much fatty foods as you can and I didn't do that great of job getting the food in. I've had plenty of "ahhh that looks amazing... I should have eaten that while I had the chance!" moments but nothing overwhelming enough to break my girlfriend or myself. I also work in a kitchen surrounded by AWESOME food and it doesn't phase me or turn on any hunger switch.

I meant it when I said eating is more of a chore on the diet because you will likely put it off or forget to eat if you don't have an alarm set.

My schedule:
-I wake up at noon and immediately take my shot>bathroom>weight
-I relax before work, watch a movie, game... w/e.
-~3pm I make my first meal
-4pm I leave for work.
-4:30-11 I'm working in the kitchen
-11-2:30am I'm working security
-I get home ~3:15ish and instead of wanting food, I just wanna kick my feet up and go to sleep but I have to force myself to get back up and cook.

You can also break your meals up throughout the day, I just find it more convenient to eat 2 full meals.

[Oneslowz28]

Interesting.

I have been reading over on the forums for a few hours now. I am thinking that I will start on Thanksgiving day. THat way I can load on all the food my family cooks for 2 days.

So what about energy? Do you ever feel really tired when you know you shouldn't?

I think I will do a 45 day cycle. So 2 5000 I.U. vials will be enough?

Whats the water for? Cutting the HCG?

If you have the time, PM me where you ordered your syringes. Our county has a huge meth / smack problem and they will not let you buy a box with out a note from a Dr.

[BuzzKillington]

Thanksgiving would be a great time to start but you'll still be on part of the diet when Christmas/New Years rolls around so you may wanna wait.

I don't feel hyper but definitely far from lethargic. Plenty of energy to run errands for a few hours then work 10 hours all on ~250 calories.

Dosages are from 150-175-200 so 2x5000 is 66-57-50 days worth of HCG.

The HCG comes in mineral-like form so to get it out you inject the water in, retract it all and move it into your 10ml vial where you then put more bacteriostatic water, then refrigerate.
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Check your inbox. :D

[Diamon]

What's with all the wierd chemicals? If you want to lost weight and become healthier just start excersising and eating right.

[Oneslowz28]

What's with all the wierd chemicals? If you want to lost weight and become healthier just start excersising and eating right.

That's fine for someone who has 2-4 hours a day to devote to the gym. I barely have 1 hour free a day to catch up on my DVR. Between work, and TBCS all of my time is gone and then add in the website I was commissioned to build and that leaves even less time.

I was very skeptical at first too, then I read up on HCG. HCG only occurs in one place... The urine of pregnant women. It's job is to basically tell the body to begin consuming abnormal fat. (The fat that is locked in un-accessible storage). This should not be confused with structural fat (bottoms of your feet, holding your organs in place) or normal fat (fat which is regularly consumed for fuel.) This is not just some magical injection. It's a series of phases that are designed to loose weight with out any exercise.

Phase 1: Loading phase. On Injection day 1 and 2 you must load your body with all the fatty foods you can stuff in you. This helps your body build up its normal fat reserves, and will eliminate virtually every hunger pang for the next few weeks.

Phase 2: Very Low Calorie Diet. On days 3- you eat from a very specific menu, consuming no more than 500 calories a day. These meals are specifically designed to be very very low in fat content and very high in protein. This not only makes you shed water, it also makes your body consume the abnormal fat that the HCG has now made available. 500 calories may seem like its not enough, but most HCG users report that it is often too much for them as they constantly feel full.

Phase 3: I will finish this and 4 tonight.

Phase 4:

[billygoat333]

Phase 1: Steal Underpants.

Phase 2: ?????

Phase 3: PROFIT

[blaze15301]

ummm this seems like heroine. yeah this stuff is not for me.

[dr.walrus]

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/29/9/940.pdf

"We attempted to answer one question in
this study-is HCG an effective adjunct to a
rigidly imposed dietary regimen for weight
reduction? On the basis of our results, the
answer is negative.
The milieu under which this program was
administered to a highly motivated group of
women proved effective in achieving the
desired result-rapid weight reduction. In our
clinical setting, however, HCG per se offered
no advantage over placebo injections in
regard to weight loss, distribution of fat lost,
or hunger index during weight reduction."

[Oneslowz28]

There are hundreds if not thousands of people on the forum that buzz linked to who have lost weight on the HGC diet and after mentioning it in my FB status, I have 5 friends who have used it successfully. I believe it works and refuse to live my life as a skeptic of everything.

[BuzzKillington]

Heroine? haha, it's just a hormone from pregnant women that uses abnormal fat as fuel to make sure the baby is nourished if the woman isn't taking in enough calories.

I'm not trying to push it on anyone, I just wanted to share because I'm excited about my progress. Yes, it was extremely weird at first to inject something into yourself but it's not into your bloodstream and it's not synthetic chemicals. It's the same exact procedure you'd experience at a doctors office minus the daily visits and thousands of dollars in medical bills not to mention avoiding diabetes and having to inject at home for the rest of your life. I tried the sublingual (spraying it under your tongue) and holding liquid in your mouth for 10-20 minutes twice a day then having to swallow works, but SUCKS.

[billygoat333]

lol, I am with CJ. I would try it... even if its a placebo it seems to work. :D

[dr.walrus]

If you read the article I sent you, you'll see that with such a low calorie diet, the placebo group lost an equivalent amount of weight.

This is nothing eating healthily and 30 mins of exercise a day wouldn't fix.

[BuzzKillington]

I can speak from experience that doing 500 calories a day not on HCG you will not only be starving your ass off, you'd also be losing plenty of muscle, neither of which I've experienced on HCG. While I haven't gone to the doctors to have my muscle/fat% measured, plenty of people have to document their progress throughout their HCG cycle. As for myself, still being able to curl a 60lb dumbbell after nearly a month of 500 calories would be impossible. You will never find an article that doesn't have another trying to refute it. While I can't speak to the claims of phase 3 resetting your metabolism/bodies natural set weight (not there yet), so far the diet has lived up to its claims.

Also, I haven't eaten for 15.5 hours and I'm not hungry. You literally have to set a reminder to eat. Try that without HCG. :P

[dr.walrus]

Even if I accept that claim, which I don't, wouldn't better lifestyle choices be a healthier option here?

[BuzzKillington]

Obviously that's the outcome but why spend a year losing 2 lbs a month when you can lose up to 2lbs a day? I gained weight from eating bootcamp food while in MRP phase 0/1. After boot I continued to gain some weight from not being able to get any cardio while eating the foods I dearly missed with friends. I still can't run on my knee so why not take some weight off and get a head start on going back to my pre-bootcamp healthy routine? If someone wants to jump on HCG assuming they'll be able to go right back to bad eating habits, they're not in the right state of mind for this diet.

PS: I'm not sure what claims you don't believe but believe me when I say I have no reason what so ever to mislead anyone by making false claims...

[dr.walrus]

Obviously that's the outcome but why spend a year losing 2 lbs a month when you can lose up to 2lbs a day?

Because losing 2lbs a day is incredibly bad for your health, and moreover doesn't teach you to live a healthier lifestyle in the long term.

[dr.walrus]

Oh, and let's do the sums. The aim is just to lose fat? 2lbs of fat is 900g. A gram of fat contains 9 calories. That's over 8000 calories you're losing? Doesn't make any sense.

[Oneslowz28]

And for someone like me its perfect. I was a big football player in highschool. Even with running 2+ miles a day, weight training and a very strict 1500 calorie/day diet I was never able to keep the weight off. When I messed my back up my muscle turned to fat, and when I quit smoking 4 years ago my metabolism slowed down even more. While I may not eat the correct foods 100% of the time now, I still eat healthy / small portioned meals most of the time. I just do not have the time to invest even 30 minutes a day every day of the week to exercise. Nor do I have the willpower to continue a 2lb /week loss diet for 2 years to get to the weight level I want. Wit this I will be able to reach my goal weight in less than 6 months and my metabolism will be back to a good level.

[dr.walrus]

I'm 200 pounds and at 5ft10, need to lose about thirty of those. Like you, I had a back injury, smashed a vertebrae falling off a ladder, and it's since then I've gained the extra weight.

That's happened, frankly, because I like food and beer, and since breaking my back I don't exercise regularly (used to walk ~25km a week just to and from work). I have reduced my beer consumption, started eating less crap, and lo and behold, I've lost five pounds. Now if only I could get off my backside and go to the gym...

See, I don't see how you get from that to 'i should inject myself with chemicals off the internet that have been shown ineffective in double-blind tests, and go on a diet with dangerously low calorie intake'. Not only is it potentially dangerous, it's not been clinically proven either.

[BuzzKillington]

A pound is 3500 calories so it'd be 7000 calories a day + the 500 you're taking in is 7500. My BMR is roughly 3000 calories + another ~1500 calories from 10 hours of work + ~2 hours of running errands before work and I'm sitting at around 4500ish calories burned per day without any real exercise. Add in some variables such as body waste and water weight that stuck around from the day before and it can be 2lbs without a problem. (I lost 1.8lbs today and my gf lost .8.)
So far my average is 1.05lbs per day which includes days where I've only lost .5lbs and days that I've lost 2.2lbs like on November 6th. If I can see a 2.2lb difference on the scale, someone in the 300-400lb range would definitely see a higher average loss and save their knees from cardio at that weight. My buddy was 390lbs jogging, stepped in a hole on a messed up sidewalk and his knee was out of commission for 8 months gaining all the weight he lost and then some. I see your point but honestly, if you can get it off faster and give yourself a head start, why not?

[blaze15301]

Heroine? haha, it's just a hormone from pregnant women that uses abnormal fat as fuel to make sure the baby is nourished if the woman isn't taking in enough calories.

lol its the whole mixing chemicals and needles and injecting stuff into me. besides i dont need to lose weight i need to gain it. im 5 "11" and 120- 130 lbs ive been that way since i was 14. im 18 now. i barley have muscle. so yeah this defiantly isn't for me.

[dr.walrus]

Okay, here's your problem:

My BMR is roughly 3000 calories + another ~1500 calories from 10 hours of work + ~2 hours of running errands before work and I'm sitting at around 4500ish calories burned per day without any real exercise.
That 4500 calories is a definite overestimation, sorry to say. Cut that down to about 3-3500 (still probably too much) and the weight loss will come anyway



days that I've lost 2.2lbs like on November 6th. If I can see a 2.2lb difference on the scale, someone in the 300-400lb range would definitely see a higher average loss and save their knees from cardio at that weight.
Here's the other problem. 2.2lbs in a day is pretty meaningless - Our bodies can fluctuate by about 4-5lbs through the contents of our digestive system alone. a weight loss of a kilo just means you have diarreah..



I see your point but honestly, if you can get it off faster and give yourself a head start, why not?

Massive calorie reduction is bad for you. The dive our mteabolism will take on a starvation diet will mean you just pile the weight back on
It doesn't help in the long term - you don't learn to fix the problems in your lifestyle that made you put weight on. I mean, we all make excuses, but this isn't the answer.
You're injecting yourself with drugs off the internet without medical advice?! HCG's main use is as an adjunct to anabolic steroids - to keep testosterone production up. This can cause a feedback loop - once you stop taking it, your body can stop producing testosterone by itself. And your balls shrink.
There is no medical evidence it's helpful! I can show you five studies to show it's not, and none to show it is... I simply can't find one. Cutting your calories down to 2000 per day and going the gym for an hour before work would make the weight fly off

[BuzzKillington]

I'm not sure where you can argue my BMR considering you don't know anything about me... my height, weight, muscle mass nor do you know my daily activity. While I'm sure you believe you are helping, I personally don't care about your wikipedia health advice. Also, I should mention it's not uncommon to go 2-3 days without going #2 so your claim about diarrhea is way, way off in terms of weight loss on this diet not to mention the consistency of weight loss.

HCG's main use is fat loss, there are thousands of clinics throughout the US that have been doing it for decades.


HCG, is not an anabolic/androgenic steroid but a natural protein hormone which develops in the placenta of a pregnant woman. HCG is manufactured from the urine of pregnant women since it is excreted in unchanged form from the blood via the woman's urine, passing through the kidneys. The commercially available HCG is sold as a dry substance and can be used both in men and women. in women injectable HCG allows for ovulation since it influences the last stages of the development of the ovum, thus stimulating ovulation. In a man HCG stimulates production of androgenic hormones (testosterone). For this reason athletes use injectable HCG to increase the testosterone production. HCG is often used in combination with anabolic/androgenic steroids during or after treatment. Since the body usually needs a certain amount of time to get its testoster-one production going again, the athlete, after discontinuing steroid compounds, experiences a difficult transition phase which often goes hand in hand with a considerable loss in both strength and muscle mass. Administering HCG directly after steroid treatment helps to reduce this condition because HCG increases the testosterone production in the testes very quickly and reliably. In the event of testicular atrophy caused by mega doses and very long periods of usage, HCG also helps to quickly bring the testes back to their original condition (size). Since occasional injections of HCG during steroid intake can avoid a testicular atrophy, many athletes use HCG for two to three weeks in the middle of their steroid treatment. It is often observed that during this time the athlete makes his best progress with respect to gains in both strength and muscle mass. Those who are on the juice all year round, who might suffer psychological consequences or who would perhaps risk the breakup of a relationship because of this should consider this drawback when taking HCG in regular intervals. A reduced libido and spermatogenesis due to steroids, in most cases, can be successfully cured by treatment with HCG.

While I appreciate the concern, I'd like to end this debate before it goes south. At the end of the day I will continue to do as I please.

[dr.walrus]

You go do that then

[dr.walrus]

I'm not sure where you can argue my BMR considering you don't know anything about me... my height, weight, muscle mass nor do you know my daily activity.

You put that information at the start of the thread. Your MBR is before activity.


wikipedia health advice.

Nice! This stuff has been around since the 50s, and the medical establishment advised against it THEN.


In 1962, the Journal of the American Medical Association warned against the Simeons diet, saying "continued adherence to such a drastic regimen is potentially more hazardous to the patient's health than continued obesity." In 1974, the Food and Drug Adminstration required producers of HCG to label the drug with a warning against using it for weight loss or fat redistribution. In Canada, the Task Force on the Treatment of Obesity warned that the use of the hormone "touches on possible malpractice." Nevertheless, a few diet doctors continued with the treatment -- it is legal, after all, for physicians to prescribe medications for purposes that are not approved by the FDA -- often handing the patients the drugs and injection equipment so they could administer it themselves.

Sources I'm sure have no merit :think:



While I appreciate the concern, I'd like to end this debate before it goes south. At the end of the day I will continue to do as I please.
Then I won't have anything more to say on the matter.

[BuzzKillington]

Started up on phase 3 and I'm having a hard time finding enough food to eat and still lost .2 today. I hope I don't keep losing since you're not supposed to lost more than 2lbs from your last injection weight.

[Oneslowz28]

I have everything ordered except the HCG and the water. Waiting until I get back from vegas for that. Lean Mean Lady Charming Machine here I come...

[BuzzKillington]

I'm starting to have problems in Phase 3 (kind of)... You're not supposed to go +/- 2lbs from your last injection weight and I keep losing weight. I'm taking in like 3-4000 calories a day of meat (carls jr low carb burgers, tons of steak, hotdogs, bacon, etc..., fruit, veggies, nuts, coffee with heavy cream... I guess I need to up my carbs but jesus...

Phase 3 is 3 weeks and it's supposed to reset your hypothalamus and the stabilizing part is supposed to tell your brain that's the weight you should be with the amount of energy you're burning and taking in... The goal is to take in a ton of calories and try not to exert too much energy which in the end your body should think xxxlbs with 4000 calories and no exercise must mean you should lose weight easily at 2000-3000 cal and exercise. Those are the claims at least... so far, it's proving to be true. I don't see how else I could be losing weight after eating this much and still consuming 50+grams of carbs per day. On Atkins you can eat as much meat as you please and lose weight but if you had more than ~15-20g of carbs it'd throw you out of ketosis.

[Oneslowz28]

Have you asked about this over on the HCG forums? Most of the Phase 3 post I read over there, people are stabilizing per the plan.

[BuzzKillington]

From what I've read the P3 plan is pretty much anything you want minus added sugars and starches.
http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/f26/some-great-p3-information-11840/

I think my main problem is not eating for the 10 hours I'm at work. I'll have a small steak at work but that's about it besides water and maybe some hearts of palm or something. The cooks bitch at me to eat but the last thing I wanna do is throw a special order "no this and no that" meal at them when they're busy.