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x88x
10-01-2010, 11:13 AM
Interesting mainly because of who it involves, but it could provide some very appealing case law.

Basically, some random company (i4i) sued Microsoft for something about Office 2007's XML editing capabilities, and they've been fighting them tooth and nail..and losing..all the way through many lower courts and most recently the Federal Circuit Court. Microsoft is now appealing the case to the Supreme Court, largely challenging the current requirements for getting a patent thrown out. As a result of this, they have acquired two rather unexpected allies in the fight; the EFF and the Apache software foundation!

It'll be an interesting , especially if they win. I think Microsoft might be shooting themselves in the foot though, as they hold quite a few patents that I think could be easily thrown out under the new rules they're shooting for.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/10/strange-bedfellows-eff-apache-back-microsoft-in-patent-dispute.ars

The only article (http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/texas-court-orders-microsoft-to-pay-toronto-firm-200-million-/109710) I turned up in a quick search that said anything about what features they're actually disputing had this. Far from specific, but it sounds like BS to me.

The technology that the court said infringes on the i4i patent enables custom XML tagging in Word 2003 and Word 2007, used mainly for people creating and modifying templates for Word documents.

i4i would not get into the details of how Microsoft's products had infringed on the Toronto company's technology but Mike Cannata, another i4i director said they will continue to vigorously protect their intellectual property.

TheGreatSatan
10-03-2010, 12:11 PM
Microsoft has sooo much money and lawyers that they could drag this on for years.

Konrad
10-06-2010, 05:27 PM
Sounds to me like i4i had fair evidence to prove patent infringement but decided to get greedy. They could've settled quietly and maybe walked away richer but instead chose to bash through the wall and grab a share of the future. Too bad Microsoft (like every other greedy prospecting company) sees this "resource" as Microsoft property/revenue.

Dumbass fail. MS won't even bother dragging it out for years. It's cheaper for them to leverage their corporate power so that i4i becomes pariah, then buy 'em out and take what they want (patent rights) and liquidate the rest in the circular bin. Sort of like this (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LeaveHimToMe). And MS will spin rep off this, just like Apple always does, making the most out of being seen as the good/bad guy here.

x88x
10-06-2010, 05:37 PM
Do you have a link to a better description of what they're saying infringed their patent? Because I haven't found any articles that say anything more than "XML editing" or "custom XML tagging", which..well, that's like saying "Aha! I will sue you for making a text editor!".

Konrad
10-06-2010, 06:00 PM
No links. I have the sneaky suspicion that the big patent offices (or at least the patent search engines) pull controversial material out of the public domain - maybe standard practice, maybe court order.

Too bad. Since actually reading through the patent (and related patents) answers all questions. The sad thing is that these things are decided by experts in law and rhetoric, not experts in engineering and logic.

Don't mind me. I'm just a cynic.

x88x
10-06-2010, 06:24 PM
Too bad. Since actually reading through the patent (and related patents) answers all questions.

Yeah. Unfortunately, the only patent number I saw in any of the articles has been pulled for review (ie, this lawsuit). :(

dr.walrus
10-27-2010, 07:14 PM
Was this not the lawsuit that granted an injunction on the sale of office 2003 and 2007? This has already been dragging on for years already.

i4i's technology is, as far as I remember, advanced xml parsing algorithms - very mathsy stuff, with solid patents.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8427474.stm

Microsoft have lost this several times already - It's about office 2003/2007 ffs. They're just doing what they've always done - keep pushing it further up the line withmore expensive lawyers and hope they either win, or the small company they're pursuing runs out of money to fund their legal team.

dr.walrus
10-27-2010, 07:24 PM
Okay, if you can be bothered:

http://www.i4ilp.com/court/FINAL%20JUDGEMENT%20MEMORANDUM%20OPINION%20&%20ORDER.pdf

I did laugh that one of the pieces of evidence in court was an internal memo within Microsoft, citing the comapny name, product name and PATENT NUMBER, stating that Word would make i4i's product obselete...

x88x
10-27-2010, 09:39 PM
Hmm, looks like the patent number that was listed in the articles I was looking at a while ago was wrong. :facepalm: Using the number in the court brief, here's a link to the patent text. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5,787,449.PN.&OS=PN/5,787,449&RS=PN/5,787,449

I'm still not entirely certain how it's unique (mainly because I don't want to read the whole thing), but from what I read it seems to be about a specific way of arranging and manipulating the data in a file in a pretty specific way...not at all the general "XML editing functionality" that all the articles I saw about it said.

*shrugs* Eh, I'll file this away in the 'somebody's being a jerk and it's more likely that it's Microsoft than not' pile, and ignore it.