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CorsePerVita
02-12-2011, 03:58 PM
Figured since it's going to have a few projects going I may as well post them up.

Since I was a kid I always wanted one. It isn't a huge list, but a list of things I always wanted on a Porsche 911 and I plan on transforming it into that. Sold the 944 and bought this for my daily. Over the years I've seen things on them that just make me go "OHHHH" and "AHHHH" and "I WANT!" so now that I have the chance, I'm going to do just that.

The list of things it needs:

- Heaterbox hoses and lines
- High heat hoses need replaced
- Linkage fixes
- Wheel bearings
- Vacuum lines
- Tires... some tard put the wrong profile size and it was eating through the oil return line.
- Speakers, deck... they're old, and speakers are mostly blown.
- Targa and window seals. Old, worn, and not doing the best.

Things replaced thus far:

- Most of the heaterbox lines/hoses
- Most of the vacuum lines
- New tires...
- Wheel Bearings

Plans:

- Converting to Targa hard top (specifically, looking at a Carbon Fiber replacement, still doing the math to see if they're quality enough for consideration)
- Fabspeed 930 exhaust (probably with with resonator so it sounds nice, and not overkill)
- Trading out the original deck (yes, still has the ORIGINAL tape deck, and normally I would leave it be, but it's my daily, and i've left my 914 entirely factory original so this car is getting modified) to go with a nice sound system, nice speakers. I don't want to go sub and overkill, just some nice speakers. The fabspeed will add sound as it is... so with the resonator setup and a nice deck with speakers, should be fine. I just can't deal with blown speakers...
- Airbox pop-valve, don't feel like blowing up my airbox.
- CF or Fiberglass floor layouts instead of the OEM hardwood ones. They don't hold up all that great, and god forbid you get them wet, ever. They won't be in plain site but it'll be a nice improvement, and any weight lost is a good diet IMO.
- Carrera graphic work (hey it is a super carrera...)
- Polished engine bay and repainted parts. Planning on polishing everything from the fan down to the rest of the covers and repainting some parts to match the car. Going to stick with metallic silver to go with the themed paint of the car, sparingly of course since I don't want it to look like a big rolling blingy silver bullet... just hints of it here and there to look nice.
- Custom CF parts, brackets, mounts, etc. I am helping a friend who works in the aircraft industry with some website work, and we're doing CF parts for it in trade. w00t!

Pics to come as progress becomes progress!

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:twisted:

billygoat333
02-12-2011, 06:28 PM
I can't say enough about infinity speakers. I will never buy another speaker again. just my $.02 on car speakers lol. looks awesome!

CorsePerVita
02-12-2011, 07:59 PM
I'm always open minded on opinions. I am not an audio specialist by any means. My last system sounded good but I also searched for opinions on products and wired it up right, too.

Thank you for the opinion, I'll have to dig a little and see what fits my car. Thankfully, one of the local audio and alarm system guys over here at one point owned a shop in cali and all he did was Porsches, Ferraris and other cars along those lines for audio and security so he was very familiar with the setup and said he'd have no problem finding out what would fit and work with my car. Pretty excited to get crackin' on the progress.

altec
02-12-2011, 10:08 PM
Those factory gauges are pretty sweat. I like those.Those factory seats look nice too. Can't beat the condition for the age. I'm shocked the inside looks as good as it does with that top.

Nice car man!

chevyboy_0
02-13-2011, 03:24 PM
I have always loved the whale tail Porsches, My grandpas boss has an '85 911 turbo in gray and he would let my grandpa borrow it every so often, and my Grandpa has a '58 356 Coupe.

For the speakers I have some Polk Audio, DB series in my Chevelle and they sound AWESOME!!! very full range from low to high, I was never impressed with the Sony or Pioneers because they were either to tinny or to low. But the Polks have a very nice blend of all the ranges. Or if you want to get really crazy check out Focal audio ;) they are extemely high quality but with the quality comes price, in our show car we currently have a 2400watt 12 speaker Focal Audio setup and with the custom built panels they are mounted in to direct the sound through the car it sounds like your at a concert hall listening to an orchestra.

Indybird
02-13-2011, 10:30 PM
I am going to follow this religiously. I can't wait until the next update.

Are you going to do anything to modernize it or is this a pure resto?

-Nick

CorsePerVita
02-27-2011, 08:53 PM
Sorry I didn't respond to these.


Those factory gauges are pretty sweat. I like those.Those factory seats look nice too. Can't beat the condition for the age. I'm shocked the inside looks as good as it does with that top.

Nice car man!

I like the interior, the gauges I definitely love. For some reason the era of all the P-Cars I love.


I have always loved the whale tail Porsches, My grandpas boss has an '85 911 turbo in gray and he would let my grandpa borrow it every so often, and my Grandpa has a '58 356 Coupe.

For the speakers I have some Polk Audio, DB series in my Chevelle and they sound AWESOME!!! very full range from low to high, I was never impressed with the Sony or Pioneers because they were either to tinny or to low. But the Polks have a very nice blend of all the ranges. Or if you want to get really crazy check out Focal audio ;) they are extemely high quality but with the quality comes price, in our show car we currently have a 2400watt 12 speaker Focal Audio setup and with the custom built panels they are mounted in to direct the sound through the car it sounds like your at a concert hall listening to an orchestra.

I ended up going with JL in the front, the JL i got for the rear didn't fit, ended up going with Polk in the rear. Haven't got the head unit in yet. Have to do the timing belt on my wife's car tonight (snapped, oh yay!) thankfully not an interference engine. If there is time I'll wire the head unit and stereo tonight.


I am going to follow this religiously. I can't wait until the next update.

Are you going to do anything to modernize it or is this a pure resto?

-Nick

Bit of both. Plan on removing the A/C (storing it in case I ever want to put it back on of course) for weight reasons. I want to keep most of it original but I don't mind doing body work. The interior though I totally dig so I don't plan on doing much inside the car. Seen too many of them get butchered, don't plan on butchering the car. Definitely want a nice sub and system in the car, so aside from that will likely leave it be after that.

As to body work I don't know if I really want to do much, I like the body style. Love the targa top. I am on the fence between sending my original top in for a rebuild/refurbish or if I want to dump the money on a carbon fiber or fiberglass top. Unfortunately, the aftermarket CF/Fiberglass targa tops are a DIY project (no joke) and require tearing the original top apart and using it for parts. A NEW targa top from Porsche is $10,000. So if I bork the one i've got I'd end up having to buy a used one because there's no way in hell I'm spending that much on a targa top. The CF tops and Fiberglass tops are a fraction of the cost, about $500 which is the same to get the original top refurbished.

I need to sleep on it for a few to figure out what I want to do.

I do plan on running through the engine bay and polishing/cleaning/painting some things to make it more presentable as well.

Once it warms up and i can ride my bikes to work i'll probably get the engine and tranny out and clean it all up and get to it.

CorsePerVita
03-05-2011, 02:49 AM
I installed a new stereo in my car today. *When I saw the nest of wires... I went *:o

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/sound/172680_10150098539141744_723296743_6914178_1394820 _o.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/sound/191156_10150098637396744_723296743_6914917_3274710 _o.jpg

Really... they just used a bunch of connectors, and then got lazy enough to twist the wires together.

I couldn't for the life of me figure out why the speakers randomly went in and out, turns out the screw holding in the back seat was screwed INTO one of the wires accidentally.

What a hackjob.

Soldering iron, happy helping of solder, 2 layers of shrink wrap per wire, and taping/bunching the wires together properly and the result was very happy.

I'll get some pictures of it when it's daylight outside. *I even stapled the upholstery back together where the original factory staples had failed near the speaker, so it's nice and tight now.

Finally, the 911 has tunes! Wait till you see the pics of the old crap that was in the car...

Each segment was wrapped and labeled. *In this case, the 12v constant and 12v ignition wire. *I inspect the wires, all were pliable and the copper was clean, tested for continuity and resistance was fine so I reused the wires on them. *

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/sound/DSC_0190.jpg

Here is before the wires were all segmented, just soldered at this point with double wrap on each wire.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/sound/DSC_0193.jpg

Before completely wrapped, but you can see the shrinked and soldered wire on the left (my side) and the original wiring (right side).
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/sound/DSC_0192.jpg

Oh sweet... let's install front speakers and not replace the rear speakers. *Who seriously leaves speakers like this in a car? *The new polks next to it.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/sound/DSC_0175.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/sound/DSC_0176.jpg

The super cheapo crappy speakers (red left) and the new JL Audio speaker (right).
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And of course, always lay down a matt when you install it, do it right.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/sound/DSC_0185.jpg

More pics once it's daytime, these were taken when it was light outside, I was still working on the stereo at 8:00ish..

Blibbax
03-05-2011, 10:18 AM
Man, that is a really nice car. Subbed, and good luck :)

CorsePerVita
03-05-2011, 01:35 PM
Thanks man! :)

Here's the deck, sorry for the mess on the floor, still have wiring stuff from last night.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/sound/IMG_20110305_085313.jpg

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CorsePerVita
03-05-2011, 01:35 PM
Thanks man! :)

Here's the deck, sorry for the mess on the floor, still have wiring stuff from last night.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/sound/IMG_20110305_085313.jpg

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altec
03-05-2011, 05:15 PM
How are those Polk's working? My truck is going to need speakers when I'm done. The separate tweet looks nice.

CorsePerVita
03-05-2011, 06:09 PM
I like them. Oddly enough vocals are far more pronounced in the rear. I think mostly it's because the deck in the rear of the car is the same height as the seat so there is more exposure compared to the lower speakers in the door. Vocals sound awesome, I love it.

BS Mods
03-06-2011, 02:32 AM
For some reason I expect to see a Blaupunkt deck when I look at the pic. Maybe it's cuz I'm still stuck in the 80's :D

chevyboy_0
03-06-2011, 12:14 PM
OOooooo shiny new speakers!! That rats nest reminds me of the Chevelle's old stereo, the PO had left almost 3' of extra speaker wire in a bundle with twist ties stuffed under the dash :/

CorsePerVita
03-11-2011, 12:47 AM
The shroud "Before" in the engine bay (yes i realize the hose is split in half, I'm doing an A/C Delete and replacing all the lines and hoses...
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20cleanup/DSC_0195.jpg

Bringing it down to bare metal
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20cleanup/DSC_0200.jpg

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Note how clean it is compared to the original..
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20cleanup/DSC_0199.jpg

Finally... after being cleaned, brought to pure metal, and then powdercoated... and yes I realize "the masking looks weird" near the pulley because that part will be brought to metal as well, since that's where the belt rides.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20cleanup/DSC_0204.jpg

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CorsePerVita
03-11-2011, 12:49 AM
I'll get some daytime pics with it IN the car once the car is back together.

CorsePerVita
03-11-2011, 08:59 PM
Before...
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20cleanup/DSC_0195.jpg

After.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20cleanup/DSC_0216.jpg

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x88x
03-11-2011, 10:44 PM
Wow, making some nice progress on this! :D

msmrx57
03-11-2011, 10:57 PM
Sweet. Huge improvement. :up:

altec
03-11-2011, 11:00 PM
AC delete? My kinda guy! I'm really on the fence about keeping the AC in my truck. Figure I'll hook it up, and if it ever springs a leak I'll rip it out...

CorsePerVita
03-12-2011, 02:39 AM
Someone on one of the 911 forums told me today that the A/C weighs in at 108lbs total in these cars. After having to lift the compressor, and seeing the entire system in a diagram I can believe it. Nice weight reduction, worth it IMO.

x88x
03-12-2011, 03:36 AM
Someone on one of the 911 forums told me today that the A/C weighs in at 108lbs total in these cars.

:eek: Wow, maybe it would be worth it to look into pulling out my compressor. (It killed itself about a year ago and would cost more than the car is worth to replace, so it's just bypassed now...besides, I didn't use A/C anyway.)

msmrx57
03-12-2011, 04:17 AM
Someone on one of the 911 forums told me today that the A/C weighs in at 108lbs total in these cars. After having to lift the compressor, and seeing the entire system in a diagram I can believe it. Nice weight reduction, worth it IMO.

I can see it if you're going to use it as an occasional track/autocross car. Personally that would be the only way I'd delete ac. It may only be used for a couple of months around but having cars without ac suck like h@#* when it's hot. But yes if performance is more important lighter is better. :banana:

CorsePerVita
03-12-2011, 04:24 AM
I'm not worried about A/C to be honest. I'll likely box it and store it should I ever wish to revert. But during the summer either the Targa top comes off my car, or the windows get rolled down. Rarely does it get hot enough for me to justify bothering with A/C. My 914 doesn't have A/C and I do fine with the top off. Our ZX2 has A/C and my wife loves it, but I never used A/C at all. I guess I just don't like it lol.

Less weight! More performance. I dig.

x88x
03-12-2011, 04:32 AM
If it gets too hot, roll the windows down. If it's still too hot, you're not going fast enough! :twisted:

CorsePerVita
03-12-2011, 04:33 AM
The top comes off too! :)

altec
03-12-2011, 10:42 PM
I'm not worried about A/C to be honest. I'll likely box it and store it should I ever wish to revert. But during the summer either the Targa top comes off my car, or the windows get rolled down. Rarely does it get hot enough for me to justify bothering with A/C. My 914 doesn't have A/C and I do fine with the top off. Our ZX2 has A/C and my wife loves it, but I never used A/C at all. I guess I just don't like it lol.

Less weight! More performance. I dig.


If it gets too hot, roll the windows down. If it's still too hot, you're not going fast enough! :twisted:

Sounds about right. Between the compressor, metal lines, evaporator, condenser. Adds up. Can't help but wonder if they count parts that are shared with the heater though. Like the blower, and such.

Can't forget the power loss when the compressor is engaged.

2/40 is how I roll! :D

CorsePerVita
03-23-2011, 07:10 PM
A/C is g-g-g-g-g-one! I still have a few hoses and pieces to remove but there is a whole lot more room to work on the car now in the engine bay. Few brackets to remove and it'll be back to "normal" in my book. Less weight is a happier car IMO.

Got a huge list of parts reserved from a place I regularly buy parts from. Entire list will be posted soon. Likely ordering at end of month. Going through the under side of the car this weekend to see what all I need to add so I can just order it all in one big swoop.

A few things on the list...

- Clutch
- Pressure Plate
- Flywheel bolts
- Throwout bearing
- Pressure Plate bolts
- Sport mounts for the engine
- Tuneup kit (cap/rotor/plugs/wires)
- Main seal
- Valve covers
- Valve adjustment feeler
- More heater hoses
- Suspension Bushings
- Rest of the wheel bearings/seals/o-rings
- Pilot bearing
- S-Oil line
- Main return oil line to engine

Already bought:

- 3 quarts of swepco 201 which had better me partially made out of unicorn blood at $15 per quart...
- More Brad Penn oil
- More wiring ends, more wire of various gauges to go through the rest of the under dash area
- SS Nuts Bolts in 10mm and 13mm socket sizes to replace the old and otherwise nasty/rusted bolts throughout the car
- More resin and hardener for the last bit of CF I have so I can make parts that I want for it.
- High Heat resistance updated hoses for the main flaps and heater box so I can rid the leaks and get it back to "normal".... and last for freaking ever.

During the process of A/C removal I had NO HEAT because one of the main hoses from the blower motor was completely removed since it wouldn't fit under the stock A/C bracket as the updated hoses were intended for the cars WITHOUT A/C. So I updated to the larger diameter hoses.

I still have plans to take apart the blower motor and box in both the engine bay area and in the smugglers compartment and refreshing them so there is less drag on the system from all the dust and gunk buildup in the years. Besides, it would be good to clean it out so it's healthier for me and my passengers anyway.

altec
03-23-2011, 10:27 PM
Don't forget to weigh all the AC junk when you're done!

Might want to pick up some anti seize for the stainless hardware. Only reason I hate working with stainless hardware.

CorsePerVita
03-24-2011, 01:24 PM
I generally use "Neverseize" - those big crayons you use for spark plugs. Seems to work ay-okay.

chaksq
03-24-2011, 09:51 PM
Cool project, I definitely like those Porsche's, hoping to get a 911 myself down the road. Good luck with the project.

CorsePerVita
04-19-2011, 06:29 PM
Well the time has come for "Engine out" maintenance...

A local Porsche friend of mine is always swapping help with each other. Each time he sells one and gets a new one, we help each other with our cars. Lets me use his lift and in return I help him. This time around he got a 912 and I needed to do my engine out maintenance on the 911.. But for those that haven't actually seen one out or seen one worked on I figured I'd post pictures.

Here we are dropping the engine
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/IMG_20110417_171431.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/IMG_20110417_171437.jpg

Finally rolled out and ready to be worked on.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/DSC_0246.jpg

You'll note that it is pretty dirt, things look worn, things are old. It really needed to be gone though.

List of things "While it is out" and "While I am down there"...

- Valve adjustment
- Full tuneup (cap, rotor, plugs, wires)
- Oil pressure sensor
- Vacuum lines (Thought i got them all, not the case)
- Throttle linkage fix on transmission and top of engine
- Heater box adjustment
- Exhaust inspection
- New clutch
- New pressure plate
- New throwout and pilot bearing
- New mounting hardware
- Clean up transmission inside and out, CAKED in grime, rocks you name it.
- Swepco 201 flush on the tranny
- Replace S oil line to oil tank
- Sump seals
- New motor/transmission mounts
- Refresh all extra grounds not accessible with engine in car
- PB Blast the aux air valve to make sure no crap sticks in it.
- Remove the last of the A/C system that is mostly deleted.
- New crankshaft seal

Got everything but the throttle fixed. Waiting on the bushings since I ordered the wrong part # for it... figured that the ONE thing that has to be fixed on the list has to be fixed with engine out. Either that or remove ALL the CIS crap and then do it... better to just wait a day, get the part and do it right.

Anyway on with the progress.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/DSC_0247.jpg

Found out my clutch issue and why it chattered... Long story short after visual inspection we suspected that perhaps the flywheel was machined wrong. If you look close the outer ring is worn and hot spots all over it, you can still see the ORIGINAL machining marks on the inner ring, meaning the clutch was making little contact with it, hence the horrific chatter I was getting. Once I got it to a machine shop it was ground correctly and they confirmed it was indeed tapered. So someone didn't line it up true...
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/DSC_0249.jpg

Prettyyyyy dirty.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/DSC_0253.jpg

All these AC lines are going bye bye
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/DSC_0255.jpg


Adjusting the valves.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/DSC_0258.jpg

The nuts were good, nothing cracking. Clearances all checked out on valves and the play seemed fine.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/DSC_0259.jpg

Cleaned up the engine. Replaced all parts I needed. New clutch installed.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/DSC_0282.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/DSC_0280.jpg

Happy flywheel
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/DSC_0264.jpg

Happy pressure plate
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/DSC_0266.jpg

Just before I put in the crankshaft seal
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/DSC_0262.jpg

Much more clean than before. Before.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/DSC_0253.jpg

After.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/DSC_0281.jpg

Anyway...
Figured someone would find it interesting so I figured I'd share pics. I try to always document with pics on my maintenance windows just because it's fun to see how far a vehicle has come and perhaps any details that were missed.

Just for laughs and giggles...

When I first got the car.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/DSC_0055.jpg
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/DSC_0018.jpg
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20cleanup/DSC_0195.jpg

Powder coating and a significant cleanup of the engine.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20cleanup/DSC_0214.jpg

Detailing the engine.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20cleanup/DSC_0216.jpg
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20cleanup/DSC_0217.jpg

And now
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/DSC_0280.jpg
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/DSC_0275-1.jpg

I'll post pics when she's all together and back on the road. Sure felt good to go through everything and "make it right" and get the car where it needed to be. It ran fine the way it was.... but now I don't have to question it's condition. I KNOW where it is, I KNOW what needs to be done and I have NO questions where it is at now.

altec
04-19-2011, 07:04 PM
Looks good, I have a concern though. Depending on how deep the hot spots are, they may come back. That is, if they are deeper then the material they removed they will reappear. Not as bad as rotors where they pretty much are always to deep to turn, but it is possible.

Just something I'd consider. Hate to see you have to pull it back apart.

Looking good though! Looks like you shouldn't have to worry about the engine for another 29 years lol.

CorsePerVita
04-19-2011, 07:11 PM
Looks good, I have a concern though. Depending on how deep the hot spots are, they may come back. That is at if they are deeper then the material they removed they will reappear. Not as bad as rotors where they pretty much are always to deep to turn, but it is possible.

Just something I'd consider. Hate to see you have to pull it back apart.

Looking good though! Looks like you shouldn't have to worry about the engine for another 29 years lol.

Indeed this is something I contemplated. However, the hot spots didn't look HORRIBLE but definitely present. I found a method to replace the clutch without dropping the engine AND transmission. So if it does happen it's literally a 2 hour job to drop it, it's not bad at all.

altec
04-19-2011, 07:26 PM
That's good to hear!

I can understand wanting to try turning it though. It is funny how the giant 12" wheel for my GM diesel is $168, and yours is closer to $500... Then again if I wanted the dual-mass flywheel that goes with my engine it would be over $700... I'm fine with my old solid junk... haha.

x88x
04-19-2011, 07:53 PM
Looking great...huge improvement. :D:up:

CorsePerVita
04-19-2011, 08:23 PM
Yeah the cost of a new flywheel is pretty nuts on these cars. The lightweight wheels don't last long either so it makes more sense to go with stock. Even then they are VERY THIN, so there isn't much to turn, this one thankfully was fine. Hopefully none of the hot spots cause issues down the road.

CorsePerVita
06-06-2011, 03:42 AM
Took a pic the other day, figured I'd update now that it's all back in and I have a picture that can do it justice during the day :)

Note the condenser is gone, hoses are gone, ac is gone, it's allllllllllllllll gone.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/DSC_0290.jpg

With that said... I've got everything tuned up to a happy point where I like it. She's running like a champ. But I'd be crazy not to have some fun. SO I signed up for autocross this month! I plan on taking my video camera and our Nikon to take pics of the event. Long as nothing wacko comes up I will be SURE to post some footage! My wife will be bringing her Escort ZX2, so we'll be doing autox together. Should be a blast!

Twigsoffury
07-24-2011, 10:20 AM
(i love those porchses)

Have you seen the Euro Bumper for those?

The American Bumper...bumps just about ruins the lines of the car


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads12/P1000429+11207356050.jpg

CorsePerVita
07-24-2011, 06:02 PM
Hi Twigs,

The euro bumpers do look pretty nice. I really dig'em. Not at the top of my priorities list but it's something I've considered. The normal bumper has kind of grown on me. My next plan is a few simple exhaust mods and shifter mods but I'd really like to go with a euro bumper setup. I think before I do that I would actually go with a front-mount intercooler setup. The easy way to do it would be to get a 930 bumper and get it mounted. Then get rid of the stupid trombone cooler and move to a front mount cooler which is a really nice temp difference.

Twigsoffury
07-26-2011, 06:22 PM
Hi Twigs,

The euro bumpers do look pretty nice. I really dig'em. Not at the top of my priorities list but it's something I've considered. The normal bumper has kind of grown on me. My next plan is a few simple exhaust mods and shifter mods but I'd really like to go with a euro bumper setup. I think before I do that I would actually go with a front-mount intercooler setup. The easy way to do it would be to get a 930 bumper and get it mounted. Then get rid of the stupid trombone cooler and move to a front mount cooler which is a really nice temp difference.

just make sure what ever you do, You can un-do!

Front intercooler setup would be sweet, i remember seeing some sort of Air scoop on those particular Porsches similiar to the old MR-2's

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2980/2361/32448680001_large.jpg

http://www.uk-tuning.com/acatalog/Toyota%20MR2%20air%20intake%20vent%20scoop%20scop% 202614.jpg

http://www.rsbodykits.co.uk/newimages/wojtmar/normal/MR21AIRINTAKE%20kopia.jpg

But i'll be damned if i can actually find a picture of a 911 with what im talking about, so it was probably a one off type of deal.


I assume on the 930' your talking about those slantnose models with the wide open mouth along the bottom? Man that would be sweet, especially with a nice shiny a@# intercooler sitting inside.


You thought about adding that famous giant duck wing on the rear?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads17/1974PorscheRS3_0Litersn9114609029Photo331274321585 .jpg

CorsePerVita
07-26-2011, 10:44 PM
I'm not a huge fan of the ducktail except on the 2.7RS models. I kinda like my whale tail, always wanted one with a whale tail. The scoop I think you may be talking about is molded into the tail, the RAUH-Welt models use them a lot for cooling.

The scoop I'd be implementing if I don't end up with a front-mount oil cooler would be to remove the passenger side signal (2nd signal) and put a scoop in there. They seem to work really well. Especially on days like today where it is super hot and driving long distances on the highway results in 220+ temps lol.

All 930 models had those similar front mount oil cooler setups just because they'd get so much hotter than the regular 3.0 NA models. Slant nose was just a factory body setup, but a lot of the 930 models had those bumper upgrades. The other common "Cool thing" to do is to get an RUF front bumper conversion which not only LOOKS really nice but had a huge front area for an oil cooler setup, so that would be a huge improvement.

My only thought on that is that because this is a winter car as well (driven all times of the year) that may be overkill in the winter. Then again, it's a thermostatically controlled oil cooler anyway, so it isn't like it's going to overcool since the car in the winter time still reaches close to 200F once it's warmed up, it just takes a long time to get there lol.

Twigsoffury
08-02-2011, 12:58 AM
I'm not a huge fan of the ducktail except on the 2.7RS models. I kinda like my whale tail, always wanted one with a whale tail. The scoop I think you may be talking about is molded into the tail, the RAUH-Welt models use them a lot for cooling.

The scoop I'd be implementing if I don't end up with a front-mount oil cooler would be to remove the passenger side signal (2nd signal) and put a scoop in there. They seem to work really well. Especially on days like today where it is super hot and driving long distances on the highway results in 220+ temps lol.

All 930 models had those similar front mount oil cooler setups just because they'd get so much hotter than the regular 3.0 NA models. Slant nose was just a factory body setup, but a lot of the 930 models had those bumper upgrades. The other common "Cool thing" to do is to get an RUF front bumper conversion which not only LOOKS really nice but had a huge front area for an oil cooler setup, so that would be a huge improvement.

My only thought on that is that because this is a winter car as well (driven all times of the year) that may be overkill in the winter. Then again, it's a thermostatically controlled oil cooler anyway, so it isn't like it's going to overcool since the car in the winter time still reaches close to 200F once it's warmed up, it just takes a long time to get there lol.

oh something more like this?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads16/GT+fib+F+bumper+021265894033.jpg


although i think thats a intercooler and not a oil cooler.

CorsePerVita
08-02-2011, 01:00 AM
not so much poking out the front, behind the bumper more, but yeah, front mount oil cooler like that would be cool. Think I'll try the turn signal removal and put a scoop in and see how it affects my temps first. Then go from there.

I like that bumper above btw, looks good.

Twigsoffury
08-02-2011, 05:34 PM
not so much poking out the front, behind the bumper more, but yeah, front mount oil cooler like that would be cool. Think I'll try the turn signal removal and put a scoop in and see how it affects my temps first. Then go from there.

I like that bumper above btw, looks good.


Didn't they have 911's with slots in the rear quarter panels in front of the tire tubs?

http://cyberdesignconcepts.com/guenter/images/Porsche_911_slantnose.jpg

lol looks like a awesome place for a oil cooler and A/C Cooler on the opposing side if i've ever seen one. But something tells me thats a crap load more work and money to get that changed.

Unless your brave enough to buy some scoops and take a skill saw to a vintage Porsche that is...


I'm going to have to start a thread on this 86' lincoln we've been working on. new control arms, new bearings, new ball joints, new bushings all around, new struts, sanded polished and sprayed the frame, cleaned and sprayed the springs, new suspension bumpers, new A/C pump (re-filled with R-12 mwuahhaha industrial licence) new radiator, new distributor, new coil, new cables and iridium plugs. replaced the carpeting in the front lol it goes on and on.

Currently taking out the crap engine driven clutch fan and installing two electric fans. Hah we took it around the block with out the engine fan installed one day and it hauled WAY more ass then it did before, so that fans got to go man! We've just got to figure out how/where to place a thermister and a control circuit of some type for them electric fans.


We've basically went back and repaired all the damage and lack of maintenance he did to it as a teenager.

Now we're starting to pimp it out with better parts.

CorsePerVita
08-09-2011, 10:35 PM
Alright so I went ahead and did a few things for the oil cooling.

- Ordered an oil cooler scoop for the 911 today (http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/smart/more_info.cgi?pn=PEL-JM-DUCT&catalog_description=Oil%20Cooler%20Air%20Scoop)
- Cleaned off the brass lines with steel wool on the oil cooler (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/DSC_0345.jpg)

After cleaning up all the oil lines with steel wool and getting the brass exposed again it dropped the temps a noticeable amount today. Yesterday was 85, today was 85, same drive, nothing different and my temps didn't really go above half which was nice.

What I think I want to do, however, is perhaps modify the stock cooler. Right now a carerra cooler setup is close to $1000. I figure why spend that on something that is just an expensive cooler, when I can modify the stock cooler to work better and more efficiently.

So realistically a good bit comes from airflow underneath the car, where the lines route. The rest is the trombone cooler in the fenderwell. So now that the brass is exposed again (not covered in mud/grime/crud/crap) it can do an efficient job again.

But I figured... the bumper DOES have a gap... what if I could fabricate some sort of small scoop in the bumper using the lip in the bumper?
Here's kind of a crappy mspaint example I am thinking of. I think with the turn signal removal and oil scoop addition scoop, and then a small scoop in the fender lip, it would help the original cooler a good bit.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/lip.jpg

Now... the reason I think this is a fun subject is because I know a lot of you guys deal with brass/aluminum/copper heatsinks on cpus, so a lot of you guys get cooling and how to cool things better. What would be a GOOD WAY to bring air INTO the cooler OR a good way to efficiently cool what is already there with simple modification?

Here's a pic from pelicanparts on what a trombone cooler looks like in the fenderwell (with the wheel removed so you can see)
http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/911_carrera_oil_cooler/pic6.JPG

x88x
08-10-2011, 12:55 AM
What are the dimensions of that space? I have this crazy idea of replacing that trombone cooler with a heater core. :twisted:

CorsePerVita
08-10-2011, 01:10 AM
What are the dimensions of that space? I have this crazy idea of replacing that trombone cooler with a heater core. :twisted:

The carrera cooler basically is just a small radiator type unit that replaces it. I've got a buddy who sells Porsche parts who has a used one he'll sell me for $200. But I'd like to improve on the setup that is there if at all possible before yanking everything out.

The other concern with pulling out what is there and putting in a new cooler that I haven't used before would also be oil flow, don't want to restrict the flow to the engine by any means, so it'd have to have a good flow.

x88x
08-10-2011, 01:56 AM
Ok, so you were just thinking improving the airflow over what's already there?

If you put a scoop where you sketched it, then put a shroud along the bottom and up around behind the cooler with an exhaust up where the cooler hook-ups are, that would let you create the optimal airflow over the existing cooler.

x88x
08-10-2011, 02:12 AM
Another thought for a sort of half-way step between the trombone cooler and a straight up radiator that would give you real high flow would be to get some flat copper tube (or even round tube) with the same inside cross-section area as the original cooler tube, then fold that over itself a lot, kinda like a radiator without the fins. It would also probably be a lot cheaper than $200.

CorsePerVita
08-10-2011, 02:17 AM
Yeah I mean if I can keep my temps at least to 220F or below it would be nice for hot days. Anything 75F and under on a normal temp day is no biggie, but on days where it's in the 80s and 90s is when the temp starts climbing. Yesterday (before i cleaned off the cooler and the lines) it got up to 240F on the temp gauge which is borderline "Pull over and let me cool off!" temp.

Twigsoffury
08-10-2011, 03:52 PM
Yeah I mean if I can keep my temps at least to 220F or below it would be nice for hot days. Anything 75F and under on a normal temp day is no biggie, but on days where it's in the 80s and 90s is when the temp starts climbing. Yesterday (before i cleaned off the cooler and the lines) it got up to 240F on the temp gauge which is borderline "Pull over and let me cool off!" temp.



the only solution here is to gather 1,000's of CPU heatsinks and epoxy them to your engine block.

CorsePerVita
08-10-2011, 05:03 PM
Twigs, you crack me up man, love your posts.

http://fak3r.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/12/files/challenge_accepted_Amazing_Feats_Fails_WIns_Lolz_a nd_A_Contest-s325x265-158648-535.png

CorsePerVita
08-12-2011, 07:31 PM
Oil cooler scoop came in today! AWWWWW YEAHHHHH! I had to shave some material off to make it fit right, but it took maybe 10-15 minutes and a dremel to get it right. I like how it looks. It should be a nice substantial drop in temperatures too. Almost 90 degrees out today, so let's hope so!

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/IMG_20110812_162501.jpg

Twigsoffury
08-12-2011, 08:02 PM
Oil cooler scoop came in today! AWWWWW YEAHHHHH! I had to shave some material off to make it fit right, but it took maybe 10-15 minutes and a dremel to get it right. I like how it looks. It should be a nice substantial drop in temperatures too. Almost 90 degrees out today, so let's hope so!

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/IMG_20110812_162501.jpg

thats actually pretty sweet.

now carbon fiber it yo.

CorsePerVita
08-12-2011, 09:40 PM
It's tempting. I am thinking what I might do is try and redirect the air right onto the scoop, so I may keep the scoop the way it is, but use the leftover CF that I do have to make something to redirect air right onto the cooler. . Thing is, the horns are slightly in the way. That said it actually DID MAKE A DIFFERENCE! I am thinking since the wiring is very long, I can more than likely move the horns to the other side of the car.

I was a bit pessimistic because I thought "Well.. I AM using the stock cooler... it is not the best design and really.... how much difference could it make?" A LOT!

Today was one of the hottest days I've driven the car in, it was just a hair over 90 degrees F out. The last day I drove it to Bend, it reached close to half way just on the highway! Pretty nutso. On the highway at a normal speed today the darn thing stayed at about 220, and only once I was almost completely in town did it reach even halfway.

The only downside is, it is COMPLETELY USELESS once you get into traffic in town. For that, I am going to see if I can rig up a fan of some sort and see if I can figure out something else.

So far I have...

- Cleaned off trombone cooler to take crap off the brass, expose brass for better cooling
- Installed scoop

Successfully dropped my temps in REALLY HOT weather! That is a huge plus and will help engine life, so that makes me very happy.

Temps on the highway on a high 70s-mid 80ss day before I cleaned it, before the scoop.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/IMG_20110520_180123.jpg

Temps today with current scoop upgrade and cleaned up lines on a 90 degree day!
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/IMG_20110812_173339.jpg

billygoat333
08-16-2011, 02:25 AM
That scoop looks really clean!

Twigsoffury
08-17-2011, 07:57 PM
well okay...I'll admit that is the first time i've ever seen a oil pressure gauge refered to as a "druck press"


You know you could rig a thermister,a relay and a clutch fan and mount that on the oil radiator so it'll kick on at stops or whenever its excessively hot?


With a thermister it'll automatically regulate the voltage to the fan based on how hot its getting (no electronics needed) Just thermal paste and epoxy it near the inlet for the radiator.

http://www.jestineyong.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/ntc-thermistor.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermistor



Oh man though, If that is a iron block, You ought to really..really..really...really flush and clean that radiator if you already haven't. Majorbud's Water radiator AND oil radiator were almost clogged with rust "mud" His water pump we are suspecting is clogged with that rust mud as well.

It was so bad, when he flushed the radiator for the first time, the water poured out jet black like ink, Then a deep brown. Finally a semi clear redish color and about 4 hours later after jamming the house in every hole of the radiator it ran clean.

the engine block is going to be disgusting i can already tell.

CorsePerVita
08-17-2011, 09:42 PM
Druck = Pressure in german :P

The thermistor and fan idea is a good idea. Just need to find a suitable fan that will fit in there and do a decent job.

As to the flush... There is no radiator in this car, it is air-oil cooled by about 12 quarts of oil :P

The engine isn't all that dirty... I cleaned the entire thing up while it was out of the car.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/DSC_0281.jpg
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/DSC_0280.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/koihoshi/911/engine%20out/IMG_20110425_174851.jpg

Twigsoffury
08-18-2011, 02:09 PM
Druck = Pressure in german :P

The thermistor and fan idea is a good idea. Just need to find a suitable fan that will fit in there and do a decent job.

As to the flush... There is no radiator in this car, it is air-oil cooled by about 12 quarts of oil :P


Oh i was talking about the oil radiator, His had tons of "mud" in it as well. i know its air cooled :)


What size is the radiator? They make toooonns of 12v steel fans of all types.

looking on the internet i found this

http://www.autoatlanta.com/itemgraphics/R909591.jpg

"911 FENDER MOUNT OIL COOLER WITH ELECTRIC FAN"

but they want 1,200$ for that hahahhaha.


is that similar to yours? looks like two 120mm or 240mm fans would work. They just need to have a clutch so they can free-spin and not produce back feed.


[edit] now that i think about it, don't them old Datsuns have really small clutch fans?

CorsePerVita
08-19-2011, 03:15 AM
Yeah $1200 is pretty psychotic for a small oil cooler and fan and 2 oil lines.

I'll have to see if I can poke around and find a solution that is cost effective. A guy on the pelicanparts forums offered me a carrera cooler with fan and lines for $450 which is a good deal, but i'm not sure I want to spend that much right now since all my extra money is going towards my track car project right now.. I'm not mr moneybags or richie rich. I get my cars at good prices and afford to drive them not because I'm made of money, but because I do all the maintenance myself which saves me a ton on labor and only costs me parts. I wish I could just drop $1200 at the word, that sure would be nice. :P If I save up I'm sure I'll find something.

CorsePerVita
01-13-2012, 05:11 AM
I haven't been on here in quite a while. I haven't dropped off the face of the planet.

Not much changed on this project but I did end up doing a fabspeed system on it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx0OqFlKZ9k

Twigsoffury
01-13-2012, 04:18 PM
I haven't been on here in quite a while. I haven't dropped off the face of the planet.

Not much changed on this project but I did end up doing a fabspeed system on it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx0OqFlKZ9k

you know its bad ass when you can hear each piston fire while its idiling.

billygoat333
01-19-2012, 03:35 PM
Haha it sounds like it is going to take off and fly away! Awesome!