Build My Computer

[Datech]

Long time no see boys and girls! I've been really focused on school and motorcycles over the last year and a half, and those two, er... hobbies, take up all my modding money.

But, rejoice, because thanks to our incredible support for PartyLikeARockstar, I will soon be the recipient of the Thermaltake and TT eSports package that includes the following:

Armor A30 MicroATX/MiniITX case (http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?C=1466&ID=1989)
Challenger Pro Keyboard (http://www.ttesports.com/products/product.aspx?g=feature&s=3)
Azurues Mouse (http://www.ttesports.com/products/product.aspx?s=14)
BlacX 5G (http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1268&ID=1981)


Now, I've been loving my Thermaltake Element G (http://www.thebestcasescenario.com/?q=node/396) for over a year, but I've been yearning to downsize to a MicroATX mobo and case, and try out some AMD chips and graphics cards. Now that I'm getting the A30 soon, that can soon become a reality, but I need your help!

A year and a half out of the game is a long time to not pay attention to motherboards, chips, and graphics cards. I frankly don't know what to get to fill that case. Here's what I need:

CPU
MicroATX motherboard
RAM
Graphics card that will fit in the A30
CPU cooler


Simple right? Yea, but here are my requirements and specs:

I'll be running Win7 x64
I'll be reusing a 500GB and 250GB WD HDD, both 7200RPM.
Best bang for the buck. If you can convince me that the $200 graphics card has infinity more features than the $180 graphics card, I'm cool with that.
USB 3.0 on the motherboard (otherwise the BlacX is pointless)
I would prefer AM3, as I'm simply tired of Intel
Graphics card needs 2 DVI outputs (I know this is standard, but just saying)
Total cost of all 5 pieces must not exceed $600, and the lower the better, and I'm shooting for no higher than $450
4GB RAM minimum. I'm fine with more, but only if it is worth the price increase
The quieter the better. The system doesn't have to be whisper quiet, but I don't want a screamer.
I want good graphics capabilities, but it doesn't have to be cutting edge. I'll be playing Dragon Age 2 soon, and wouldn't mind being able to play at full settings on 1680x1050.


I don't really care about or have any preference on:

RAM speed
Overclocking
Core unlocking on the motherboard is cool (especially if you recommend a Phenom X2), but not necessary
This computer will be very close to a LG 42" 720p plasma HDTV, so HDMI outputs would be cool, but not required (I have a PS3).


I think I've included all the necessary info, and more, but feel free to ask any other questions. I used to love putting together systems like this when other members asked, but I don't know enough about current products anymore to do so (I can do it with motorcycles though!). Also, I'll probably try to review some of the products if Oneslowz28 will let me :banana:

[diluzio91]

for graphics if you are only playing at 1680x1050 go for the 6850 for sure, more horsepower than you would need for any modern game (heck, im using it for 1080P gaming with a 2nd monitor attached) and supports full hdmi instead of the mini hdmi that nvidia has been slapping on their parts.

[Datech]

for graphics if you are only playing at 1680x1050 go for the 6850 for sure, more horsepower than you would need for any modern game (heck, im using it for 1080P gaming with a 2nd monitor attached) and supports full hdmi instead of the mini hdmi that nvidia has been slapping on their parts.

Feel free to link me to specific parts.

Also, for the USB 3.0 stuff, the MoBo doesn't have to natively support it if you find a better deal on something else. Just find me a nicely rated/priced USB 3.0 card that will fit in that case and with whatever graphics card you find me.

[dr.walrus]

Easy.

GIGABYTE GA-MA74GM-S2 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128342)

XFX HD-685X-ZNBC Radeon HD 6850 Black Edition 1GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150512)

Corsair XMS3 4GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145251)

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2ghz (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808)


Corsair H50 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181010)

$525, but with $40 in rebates and a $10 gift card, bringing us to a grand total of $475. Win!

I've suggested a H50, but you'll be able to get a cheaper air cooler - however, I don't know what'll fit in that case. That's wahat'll get you down to $450 or lower. The RAM is cheap, the processor is a beast and you'll easily get it to 4Ghz, even in a micro ATX case. Personally, I'd stick with the h50 so you can crank the processor up to the max!

The GPU is the thing you'll regret skimping on - either go for a 6xxx series- you'll get less bang for your buck, but greater forward compatibility, and most importantly, it'll be cooler and less power hungry in that little case.

Or if you want real value for money: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121375&cm_re=5850-_-14-121-375-_-Product

That's a LOT of performance for the money

[Datech]

Easy.

GIGABYTE GA-MA74GM-S2 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128342)

XFX HD-685X-ZNBC Radeon HD 6850 Black Edition 1GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150512)

Corsair XMS3 4GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145251)

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2ghz (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808)


Corsair H50 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181010)

$525, but with $40 in rebates and a $10 gift card! Win!

Looks good! Think I should just slap a USB 3.0 card in there?

Feel free to keep the suggestions coming. You can tell from my system specs that just about any proc will be an upgrade, so does anyone think I should dumb down the CPU or GFX card in the essence of cost savings? Or upgrade that mobo for any reason?

[Kayin]

Where's the watercooling kit?

Also, the things you've missed. Seriously. We should catch up sometime.

[dr.walrus]

Sorry didn't read about the USB3 part. That alone ramps up the price by $50 on the mobo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128445

You won't be able to put add-on cards in most micro-atx motherboards because your double-slot gpu will hog the slots!

[Kayin]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231253

No OC, so that will save you back some on the board costs and free shipping to boot.

[dr.walrus]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231253

No OC, so that will save you back some on the board costs and free shipping to boot.

ugleee. Only $4 cheaper after rebate too!

[diluzio91]

agreeed. but that mobo is a no go... DONT DO IT! not that its a bad mobo, but because its poorly laid out, the sata ports will interfere with the GPU placement.... see blue storm for more detals... also, only 2 ram slots...

for mobo i would say

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130308

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157192
with the 2nd being better for overclocking, while the 1st has 90* sata ports. both use DDR3 and USB 3

and because all the lighting is blue in your case...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231438
I love this ram!! it overclocks like a champ if you need it to, and has ram sinks which should help with heat dissipation in that little case.

[diluzio91]

also, just noticed the 6870 price drops, at around 200 i think these might be a better deal for the dollar, only $5 more...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150521&cm_re=6870-_-14-150-521-_-Product

[Datech]

So, we're thinking $100 for the mobo, around $120+ for the proc, $150+ for the card, $20 for the cooler (sorry, I don't think I need the H50 even though that is really cool), and $50 for the RAM? I think I like where this is going.

I probably won't be purchasing til early or mid March (if my prizes are in by then), so keep the recommendations coming. If you see any combo deals or just outright jawdroppers you think I need to jump on, let me know. I subscribe to FatWallet, Slickdeals, and Dealcatcher sometimes, so I'm not opposed to dropping some cash to score a sweet deal before I've got all the pieces ready.

Also, in regards to the mobo, I would prefer 4 slots so I can eventually do 4x2GB.

[dr.walrus]

So, we're thinking $100 for the mobo, around $120+ for the proc, $150+ for the card, $20 for the cooler (sorry, I don't think I need the H50 even though that is really cool), and $50 for the RAM? I think I like where this is going.

Also, in regards to the mobo, I would prefer 4 slots so I can eventually do 4x2GB.

The extra cost of that might potentially just buying 2x4gb now, don't skimp too much or you'll definitely regret it. You want a decent quad core, you can definitely afford one, and a decent modern graphics card, 4GB+ ram, the rest is just stuff.

Sorry if I missed it, but how are you set up power supply wise?

[Datech]

The extra cost of that might potentially just buying 2x4gb now, don't skimp too much or you'll definitely regret it. You want a decent quad core, you can definitely afford one, and a decent modern graphics card, 4GB+ ram, the rest is just stuff.

Sorry if I missed it, but how are you set up power supply wise?

It will either be this:
http://thebestcasescenario.com/oneslowz28/front_page/tshirts/blackwidow.jpg

Or this:
http://www.thebestcasescenario.com/slaveofconvention/banners/Enermax/1050w-2.png (http://www.thebestcasescenario.com/frontpage/?q=node/443)

[diluzio91]

haha... just go all out and get a 6core and a 570!!! i kid... but i don't

[Datech]

haha... just go all out and get a 6core and a 570!!! i kid... but i don't

I kinda feel bad for my Revolution 85+. Poor thing barely breaks a sweat with my quad core and my 250GS. I could probably power my computer and what's left of Passion if I had longer cables.

I'll probably run the 850W in the new computer, especially if it is quieter than the 1050 (probably won't be noticeable).

[DynamoNED]

Sorry didn't read about the USB3 part. That alone ramps up the price by $50 on the mobo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128445

I have an earlier version of that Gigabyte motherboard (w/o SATA-6Gbps), and it is by far the best mATX board I've had the pleasure of working with. It's dead nuts reliable. It will OC, but while it won't push as far as some, it is also a lot more forgiving when you do screw up that OC.

If you are doing a totally new AM3 rig, go on and get an AMD Phenom II X6 1090T. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103849) They're about $199 now (same price as my 1055T eight months ago), and they are worth it, for future-proofing & especially if you OC.

[TheGreatSatan]

Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130558&cm_re=870a-_-13-130-558-_-Product) - MSI 870A - $99 (only $65 at Micro Center)

Processor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851&cm_re=1055t-_-19-103-851-_-Product) - Phenom X6 1055T - $180 (only $169 at Micro Center)

RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211364&cm_re=ddr3-_-20-211-364-_-Product) - Adata 4GB - $41 (only $39 at Micro Center)

I can't believe how much more all of this costs at Newegg vs Work

[dr.walrus]

Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130558&cm_re=870a-_-13-130-558-_-Product)


Hahahaha yeah right

[Datech]

Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130558&cm_re=870a-_-13-130-558-_-Product) - MSI 870A - $99 (only $65 at Micro Center)

Processor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851&cm_re=1055t-_-19-103-851-_-Product) - Phenom X6 1055T - $180 (only $169 at Micro Center)

RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211364&cm_re=ddr3-_-20-211-364-_-Product) - Adata 4GB - $41 (only $39 at Micro Center)

I can't believe how much more all of this costs at Newegg vs Work

Definitely not opposed to running over to Microcenter. It'll save me shipping cost too. Thanks TGS!


Hahahaha yeah right

Why not?

[TheGreatSatan]

Why not?

2 x USB3
2 x PCIe X16
6 x SATA 6Gbps
Supports 16GB of DDR3
Auto Core unlocker
Auto OC genie

[dr.walrus]

Why not?

2 x USB3
2 x PCIe X16
6 x SATA 6Gbps
Supports 16GB of DDR3
Auto Core unlocker
Auto OC genie

It looks like a great motherboard, but it needs to fit into a micro ATX case! (http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?C=1466&ID=1989)

[Datech]

It looks like a great motherboard, but it needs to fit into a micro ATX case! (http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?C=1466&ID=1989)

Good catch, I didn't even notice that. I think I saw its little brother somewhere on Newegg though.

[dr.walrus]

Also, have a good look at thes gallery pictures - http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?C=1466&ID=1989#Tab2 - you'll have a seriously limited choice of heatsinks.

I believe maximum height is 90mm

[dr.walrus]

So, this bad boy (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185129&cm_re=shuriken-_-35-185-129-_-Product) then

[Datech]

So, this bad boy (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185129&cm_re=shuriken-_-35-185-129-_-Product) then

Aw, but that means I can't go with the cool Ripjaw heatspreaders on the Gskill RAM :think:

I really like how quiet everyone says that is though. Probably something I'll end up going with.

[dr.walrus]

your ram choice was always going to be limited, that's how most good low profile coolers are designed.

[Datech]

So for the graphics card, should I go 6850 or 5770?

They seem similar in price, with the 5770 obviously being around longer for more reviews. Remember, I only have two 1680x1050 monitors, and I'll probably only be playing L4D2, Dragon Age 2, and maybe a new FPS. Gimme the pros and cons on each, remember best bang for the buck, and educate me on potential GPU overclockong as well.

[Blibbax]

Trouble is that at this budget, as I see it, either with your CPU or your GPU you're not going to get a significant upgrade.

If you go for a Phenom quad in order to get a 6850, well frankly you could overclock your current CPU to come pretty close to a Phenom quad. Ok, you could overclock the Phenom 2, but my point is that they're not that far apart.

If you gor for a 5770 (or GTX550, amazed nobody's mentioned that), in order to get a Phenom x6, well the 5770... yeah, again, it's certainly faster than a GTS250, but it's not out of this world faster... maybe 50% in the most extreme situations. I wouldn't say it's a worthwhile hike.

Some stats to back up my ludicrous claims:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_5770_PCS_Plus/30.html
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/52?vs=88

CONCLUSION:
I'd say keep the GTS250, save a little money, get a black edition Phenom x6 and a decent mobo, maybe 8GB of RAM or perhaps a cheap SSD with some of the savings. Buy a better graphics card when you can afford/need it.

[Datech]

Trouble is that at this budget, as I see it, either with your CPU or your GPU you're not going to get a significant upgrade.

If you go for a Phenom quad in order to get a 6850, well frankly you could overclock your current CPU to come pretty close to a Phenom quad. Ok, you could overclock the Phenom 2, but my point is that they're not that far apart.

If you gor for a 5770 (or GTX550, amazed nobody's mentioned that), in order to get a Phenom x6, well the 5770... yeah, again, it's certainly faster than a GTS250, but it's not out of this world faster... maybe 50% in the most extreme situations. I wouldn't say it's a worthwhile hike.

Some stats to back up my ludicrous claims:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_5770_PCS_Plus/30.html
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/52?vs=88

CONCLUSION:
I'd say keep the GTS250, save a little money, get a black edition Phenom x6 and a decent mobo, maybe 8GB of RAM or perhaps a cheap SSD with some of the savings. Buy a better graphics card when you can afford/need it.

Don't worry, this won't be an all in one shot. I want something that I can use as a platform (you know, the original purpose of BYOPC). Right now I'm doing some processor intensive stuff for school, and doing some virtual machine stuff for work, so an X6 and 4GB of RAM will probably be my starting point with 8GB of RAM to come later. Now that I have a PS3 and want to get back into Madden or NCAA football, Dragon Age 2 will probably be the only game I play on this year on my PC. DA2 is supposed to be very pretty, but the scope of RPG's usually mean the graphics aren't in the top percentile.

I think I'll go with the 5770, and let my GTS250 replace Passion's aging 9600GT. I can always go bleeding edge when I decide I want to suck at Crysis again. (I'm really good at FPS, but I could never get the hang of Crysis for some reason).

[dr.walrus]

Don't worry, this won't be an all in one shot. I want something that I can use as a platform (you know, the original purpose of BYOPC). Right now I'm doing some processor intensive stuff for school, and doing some virtual machine stuff for work, so an X6 and 4GB of RAM will probably be my starting point with 8GB of RAM to come later. Now that I have a PS3 and want to get back into Madden or NCAA football, Dragon Age 2 will probably be the only game I play on this year on my PC. DA2 is supposed to be very pretty, but the scope of RPG's usually mean the graphics aren't in the top percentile.

I think I'll go with the 5770, and let my GTS250 replace Passion's aging 9600GT. I can always go bleeding edge when I decide I want to suck at Crysis again. (I'm really good at FPS, but I could never get the hang of Crysis for some reason).

Actually, I'd agree with Blibbax here, don't bother upgrading your GPU until you need it, but I'm using the same processor with 8GB of RAM - you'll really appreciate the extra RAM for running VMs - I wouldn't want to run run multiple VMs without it!

I would seriously recommend overclocking that CPU - if you aren't going to OC, I'd just stick with the stock one it comes with, which is actually very good.

[Datech]

What CPU are we talking about? We are talking about my intel quad core right? I'd probably keep it, but the point of this build is that I'm getting the A30 case, need a mATX mobo for it, and want to go AMD. USB 3.0 is really the only new technology I know of that I want, and that's mainly because of the BlacX 5G (which I will use frequently). Everything else is just upgrading for the sake of upgrading within my budget.

If you think an X6 wouldn't be cost effective compare to my current setup, what are the benefits of getting an X4 or an X2 and a board with an unlocker. I admittedly don't understand any of the core unlocking stuff, so go at it.

[dr.walrus]

What CPU are we talking about?
I was talking about the X6, sorry.


If you think an X6 wouldn't be cost effective compare to my current setup, what are the benefits of getting an X4 or an X2 and a board with an unlocker. I admittedly don't understand any of the core unlocking stuff, so go at it.
The unlocking is for the X3s. An X3 is just an X4 where one of the cores are disabled becvause it failed quality control tests - often, they'll still work okay, often they won't. You can't rely on it...

Admittedly, the X6 1090T is an expensive processor, but I've been thrilled by mine - runs at 4Ghz no problems at all, and I'm a proper novice overclocker. Took me a few minutes with very little prior experience. It's absolutely incredible for VMs, actually - you can run multiple machines at once and still use the PC normally with them in the background.

X6 1090T, 8GB RAM, mobo to your spec and that Scythe cooler will probably cost you $400 if you shop around, save buying the GPU for a few months. That's an INSANE amount of bang per buck, and if you spend 180 on a GPU later (you'll be able to get a 5850 for that little by then), you'll still pull this in for under 600. You will really NOT be disappointed with it!

[Blibbax]

Admittedly, the X6 1090T is an expensive processor, but I've been thrilled by mine - runs at 4Ghz no problems at all, and I'm a proper novice overclocker. Took me a few minutes with very little prior experience. It's absolutely incredible for VMs, actually - you can run multiple machines at once and still use the PC normally with them in the background.

X6 1090T, 8GB RAM, mobo to your spec and that Scythe cooler will probably cost you $400 if you shop around, save buying the GPU for a few months. That's an INSANE amount of bang per buck, and if you spend 180 on a GPU later (you'll be able to get a 5850 for that little by then), you'll still pull this in for under 600. You will really NOT be disappointed with it!


This is where it's at.

You're right, there is no point in buying a new motherboard for a socket 775 CPU. But there's little point in upgrading your CPU and GPU by 20% or so for $500 either - that's just bad value.

Make the epic CPU upgrade to a 1090T, and stick with your current GPU (for you, it's free!) until prices are cheaper later on. GTX550 and (probably) lesser versions of the GTX560 due in the next few months, should really drive down prices.

The only change I'd make to Walrus's plan is the 8GB of RAM - get 4GB, then decide if you need more - it won't cost you more to order it a week later than the rest, and it'd most likely cost you a lot less a year later than the rest.

[Datech]

Alright, I can get on board with that. Here's what I'm looking at right now in that case:

WINTEC DDR3-1333 2x2GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161279) - $43
X6 1090T (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.609197) - $200
MSI 890GXM-G65 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130269) - $130
Scythe Big Shuriken (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185129) - $35

Combo Discount on the mobo/proc: $25
MIR: $10
Shipping: $3
Total Cost: $376

Whaddaya think?

[dr.walrus]

perfect, except get this RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260&cm_re=xms3-_-20-145-260-_-Product)

It's cheaper after rebate, and Corsair's warranty support is great.

[Datech]

perfect, except get this RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260&cm_re=xms3-_-20-145-260-_-Product)

It's cheaper after rebate, and Corsair's warranty support is great.

True that. I didn't think to look for MIR's and just went with the lowest cost/best rating with a heat shield. I will hopefully get the A30 in two weeks, so maybe Newegg will do a St. Patricks day sale then!

[dr.walrus]

I looked up some extra specs on that cooler - in retrospect I would upgrade that fan to this one (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106116). It'll definitely be worth the extra $9!

The one that comes on that cooler hits 37dB (not good) at full speed, this one pushes an extra 10CFM, but at only 17dB (exceptionally good).

I would still buy the same heatsink, it's super low profile, gives you a ton of fan options, and you'll certainly find a use for the 12mm thick fan that it comes with. You'll still have 20mm clearance too.

[Blibbax]

Alright, I can get on board with that. Here's what I'm looking at right now in that case:

WINTEC DDR3-1333 2x2GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161279) - $43
X6 1090T (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.609197) - $200
MSI 890GXM-G65 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130269) - $130
Scythe Big Shuriken (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185129) - $35

Combo Discount on the mobo/proc: $25
MIR: $10
Shipping: $3
Total Cost: $376

Whaddaya think?


perfect, except get this RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260&cm_re=xms3-_-20-145-260-_-Product)

It's cheaper after rebate, and Corsair's warranty support is great.

Yeah, Corsair RAM is the shizzle.

Personally, I also tend to go for Asus or Asrock motherboards, but that's just a fanboyish preference :P

[Datech]

So, for playing Skyrim, what's the best graphics card to buy between $100-$200? With price drops and buying piece by piece I'll probably still be going with the 1090T, the Scythe Shuriken Rev.B, and the 890GXM mobo and the Corsair RAM mentioned above. It'll be piecemeal, after the wedding on 10/8, and hopefully scoring some deals on sales.

[xr4man]

i don't know much about the nvidia cards, but i got my xfx radeon 6870 for a whole lot less than $200 (it was on sale and had a rebate, but the original price was still less than $200) and it rocks the high res graphics. nothing slows down and there's no glitching. i do only have 1 monitor though. anyway, just saying i think something like that would be a good choice.

[Datech]

i don't know much about the nvidia cards, but i got my xfx radeon 6870 for a whole lot less than $200 (it was on sale and had a rebate, but the original price was still less than $200) and it rocks the high res graphics. nothing slows down and there's no glitching. i do only have 1 monitor though. anyway, just saying i think something like that would be a good choice.

Currently the prices for XFX 6870's are $185 and $225 on Newegg, with the difference being 1GB vs 2GB memory. The 6870 seems to be a good card to aim for though.

Going on price and sound, the Sapphire 6870 seems to be a good look: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102948

[xr4man]

i've always had good luck with sapphire cards. only reason i got my xfx over a sapphire was that it looked 100x cooler and was on sale with a $30 rebate on top of that.

[Fuganater]

XFX support is pretty good FYI...

[Datech]

XFX support is pretty good FYI...

I've always like XFX stuff. Funny you say that though, as much of the bad reviews on the XFX cards center around bad customer support. It'll be a combination of price and reputation to me, so I just want to know the best card to aim for.

[Fuganater]

They are going hard on ATI now and leaving NVIDIA so I stopped buying from them and went EVGA.

[xr4man]

They are going hard on ATI now and leaving NVIDIA so I stopped buying from them and went EVGA.


who? sapphire or xfx?


btw, i just got an email a couple days ago from xfx saying my rebate was processed and sent out.

[Fuganater]

Xfx

[diluzio91]

They are going hard on ATI now and leaving NVIDIA so I stopped buying from them and went EVGA.

Yeah, there was a big falling out between the 2 companies, I remember that nvidia got all pissy that xfx was going to make ATI cards, and then xfx just started ripping on fermi.

But def go ATI, not from a fanboy aspect mind you, but to me graphics from an nvidia card seem... Fuzzy? Like the AA isn't working correctly and is blurring things that shouldn't be blurred.

[TheGreatSatan]

I can get you a Zotac GTX560 Ti OC (http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0356003) for $200

Plus, we'll throw in a copy of the new Batman (http://www.microcenter.com/storefronts/nvidia/index.html) game

Newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500190&Tpk=ZT-50303-10M) costs more

[Datech]

I can get you a Zotac GTX560 Ti OC (http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0356003) for $200

Plus, we'll throw in a copy of the new Batman (http://www.microcenter.com/storefronts/nvidia/index.html) game

Newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500190&Tpk=ZT-50303-10M) costs more

I would gladly order everything from you over the phone and have it shipped to me if I knew you were making a commission TGS. Like I said last time, I'll be going on best price when I have the money for the purchase. Until then I'm just linking to Newegg since everyone has used it.

I still dont have my mind wrapped around the GFX differences and my needs though. Would I be better off saving the $50 if I could get a 6870 for $150 or going with the 560 for $200? Those are the kind of questions o was hoping to have answered, even though many may require long explanations.

[TheGreatSatan]

Even on Newegg the 6870 is still $180.

It sounds like you maybe want to go the AMD route?

You can get an AMD X6 1055T or the AMD X4 975 for $150. At Micro Center you can get $40 instant (http://www.microcenter.com/specials/promotions/AMDbundlePROMO.html) off the board of your choice (Series 890 or older). Those boards will have plenty of USB 3.0's and SATA 3's. All of them will use DDR3 and max out at 16GB. They will not have AM3+ support though.

RAM is cheap. I can get 8GB kits for $40.

Depending on your Video card, you'll need a good PSU. The best deal we have is on the Antec High Current Gamer 620 Watt. It's $65 with a $15 mail-in rebate (Newegg costs more). It's a single rail PSU with 40 amps on the +12V rail. That's enough to power any video card. It also has a Bronze 80 Plus rating.

[Datech]

The question was hypothetical, as in if I got a 6870 in a Black Friday deal, would a full price 560 be better. I've got no problem using nVidia at all. Also, just to be sure, I was serious about Microcenter; I wasn't patronizing you.

I've got the PSU to handle it though, so I'm good there and it will save me some money. With the new X6's out I'm hopin I can get a good deal on the 1090T. I don't need AM3+ support either, cause I'll probably upgrade mobos if I ever feel the need to go +. Does that $40 discount only apply at checkout, or could I buy the X6 and come back a week later and still get the $40 off the 890 I want?

[TheGreatSatan]

You would have to go to customer service and "return" the chip in the system and buy it back bundled with the motherboard to get the discount

The 1090T is $170 at Micro Center and Newegg

I didn't think you were patronizing me. I can check to see what my discount would be.

[Datech]

Slowly started building my computer today. As some of you have probably seen, Newegg is doing a Black November event. Today and tomorrow is 20% off a bunch of small items, namely CPU Coolers. I took the opportunity to snag a Cooler Master GeminII (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103046) for $30. Seemed like a good fit for my A30 and a decent price point.

My new question is about SSD's though. My main question is the basic: what size should I go for, and are there any pertinent specs to pay attention to? This is my first foray into SSD's, and I should be able to afford it if I spread this build out enough. Obviously the drive has to be big enough for Win7 and the basics, but will I notice any difference in gameplay if I install Skyrim on the SSD instead of another HDD? My price range seemingly allows for 32GB-128GB, so what's the best value?

[DeviceUnknown]

You been beggin for help on a new system since FEBRUARY? All you have is a CPU cooler?
Maybe you should stick to motorcycles. Or stop trolling the boards.

[Datech]

You been beggin for help on a new system since FEBRUARY? All you have is a CPU cooler?
Maybe you should stick to motorcycles. Or stop trolling the boards.

Wow, seriously dude?

Let's see, I said from the beginning that this would be a very piece by piece build, and I expressed interest in gaining what knowledge I lacked in the current market.
The basis of this build was my TT prizes, which I expected by April. I didn't receive them until just about a month ago.
In April I had a motorcycle accident that cost me quite an unexpected amount of money.
In June my best friend had a motorcycle accident. I spent a good amount of time taking care of him, as well as taking over his duties at work since we work at the same company.
Around August I paid off the remaining balance on my honeymoon. Pat me on the back, cause I saved up for over a year to pay cash for my honeymoon.
Three weeks ago I got married. Have you tried to get married while in college with very little financial assistance? If so you can sympathize. If not you can pound sand.

Begging for help? Hardly. I've learned a good bit from this thread. They might be easy or obvious questions for you, but I thought this forum was about asking questions and getting answers about computers and case mods. There has been some pretty decent discussion in this thread too, an I thank everyone for their help so far. Be glad I didn't post a new thread every time I had some simple little question.

Who the **** are you trolling?

[diluzio91]

You been beggin for help on a new system since FEBRUARY? All you have is a CPU cooler?
Maybe you should stick to motorcycles. Or stop trolling the boards.

I don't know what forums you usually frequent, but this isn't really a place trolls live long.. Hint Hint... Datech, i'm behind you, and i know how it feels to have to go piece by piece... We better get pix of that damn cooler. :D:D:D


As for the ssd, I reccomend the 60gb point. You can get some sata 2 sandforce drives for a good deal that will give you a good amount of speed for your dollar, but if you want to ride the bleeding edge go for the sata 3. Most of the things you do with the drive are going to be program loads, so 60 gb gives you room for windows, a few programs, and maybe a game or 2. the rest goes on your mechanical. Hope that helps. If you have any q's shoot me a message.

[Datech]

I don't know what forums you usually frequent, but this isn't really a place trolls live long.. Hint Hint... Datech, i'm behind you, and i know how it feels to have to go piece by piece... We better get pix of that damn cooler. :D:D:D


As for the ssd, I reccomend the 60gb point. You can get some sata 2 sandforce drives for a good deal that will give you a good amount of speed for your dollar, but if you want to ride the bleeding edge go for the sata 3. Most of the things you do with the drive are going to be program loads, so 60 gb gives you room for windows, a few programs, and maybe a game or 2. the rest goes on your mechanical. Hope that helps. If you have any q's shoot me a message.

Thanks diluzio! I think I'll keep posting my questions here just to annoy DeviceUnknown. With luck I'll be ordering a new part every week.

[AmEv]

Sad fact is?


I have been wanting a new machine since the beginning of the year.

Now, I am getting close to having one.

[Datech]

Sad fact is?


I have been wanting a new machine since the beginning of the year.

Now, I am getting close to having one.

It's not sad; it's life right now. We're the lucky ones that can still do BYOPC, let alone afford a case mod. With Paul's 'retirement' and the economy a lot of creative dollars went elsewhere, and I was lucky enough to join at the tail end of the peak. Do what you can when you can!

[AmEv]

Not that I'm barely upgrading is the sad fact; the timing, however, somewhat is.
(I think I fried my mobo early march....)

[Twigsoffury]

man you won't be dissapointed by the performance of the Phenom II X4 /x6 collection.


My 955 is actually slightly faster then my buddies i7-920 (im at 3.751Ghz now, slowly creeping up higher as the months go on lol)

And well...... Whats the difference between 92fps and 98fps when your already getting 90+ frames a second? apparently its 283$


I'd honestly wait for black friday to swoop up the critical parts. I might buy the processor before the GPU if you can only afford a single component that day because Graphics cards prices change a lot more then processor prices do.




and FYI i spent 14 months saving up the first time i built my computer. more parts you buy, the more motivation you have to get it going. :P

[TheMainMan]

As this is a forum for the "Custom Computer Community" as it says at the top of every forum page, asking for build advice is completely merited. The challenge with custom computers is staying up to date with technology, every generation requires new research to find out what's best, leveraging the knowledge of this community is what this forum is all about! The fact that Datech has nine rep bars and over 800 posts tells me that this isn't someone who hasn't done their fair share of contribution here. Snippy comments about the length of time it takes something to happen aren't what this forum is about. Helping out is!

Now that I've said my piece on that topic, SSDs are still an emerging technology in my opinion. I know a fair amount about OCZ's Vertex line and have a pair of 50GB Vertex 2's in Raid 0 on my primary machine.

In my opinion, before you get an SSD you should have a basic understanding of TRIM. I have had to RMA a drive that bricked because the computer was never left idle and therefore TRIM didn't kick in. In W7, running the WEI assessment tool will enable TRIM and turn off defragging.

As far as size, I'm with diluzio91, in that 60GB is good for the average user's OS and programs. If you can go SATA3 with your mobo, then go for it. If not, you'll still get some great performance out of the SATA2 Sandforce based drives.

For loading games on the SSD it will help load times substantially. I love throwing legacy games on my Raid array and watching the load times disappear. Just keep an eye on how much space they take up, you don't want to run an SSD really full.

In my experience, on the day of Black Friday is when you can get some of the best processor prices. Like Twigs said, graphics will be easier to get a good deal on later if you need to. With only two processor companies the margins are set pretty low so they rarely are priced as loss leaders for the rest of the year.

I also second the request for pictures! Those of us on this forum who are serious will love to see pictures of almost any new computer tech!

Good luck with the build and keep asking questions!

[Datech]

As this is a forum for the "Custom Computer Community" as it says at the top of every forum page, asking for build advice is completely merited. The challenge with custom computers is staying up to date with technology, every generation requires new research to find out what's best, leveraging the knowledge of this community is what this forum is all about! The fact that Datech has nine rep bars and over 800 posts tells me that this isn't someone who hasn't done their fair share of contribution here. Snippy comments about the length of time it takes something to happen aren't what this forum is about. Helping out is!

Now that I've said my piece on that topic, SSDs are still an emerging technology in my opinion. I know a fair amount about OCZ's Vertex line and have a pair of 50GB Vertex 2's in Raid 0 on my primary machine.

In my opinion, before you get an SSD you should have a basic understanding of TRIM. I have had to RMA a drive that bricked because the computer was never left idle and therefore TRIM didn't kick in. In W7, running the WEI assessment tool will enable TRIM and turn off defragging.

As far as size, I'm with diluzio91, in that 60GB is good for the average user's OS and programs. If you can go SATA3 with your mobo, then go for it. If not, you'll still get some great performance out of the SATA2 Sandforce based drives.

For loading games on the SSD it will help load times substantially. I love throwing legacy games on my Raid array and watching the load times disappear. Just keep an eye on how much space they take up, you don't want to run an SSD really full.

In my experience, on the day of Black Friday is when you can get some of the best processor prices. Like Twigs said, graphics will be easier to get a good deal on later if you need to. With only two processor companies the margins are set pretty low so they rarely are priced as loss leaders for the rest of the year.

I also second the request for pictures! Those of us on this forum who are serious will love to see pictures of almost any new computer tech!

Good luck with the build and keep asking questions!

Thanks TMM! You reminded me that I haven't been handing out any Rep in this thread. I'm still shooting for a MSI 890GXM-G65 for my board, and that has 5x SATA3 ports. Since I just started thinking about SSDs I hadn't thought to worry about SATA3.

Speaking of that mobo (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130269), Newegg has it deactivated. MSI has since released two higher end boards, but unless I read wrong neither are mATX. The board has been out for over a year, and the main complaints are SATA placement, RAM being tight, the USB 3.0 driver possibly being wonky, and the OC capabilities not being the greatest in the world. Its also one of the more expensive mATX boards still on the market. Should I be looking at other boards, or is MSI's 890 still a good buy? (Remember, USB 3.0, mATX, AM3, good RAM capabilities, and now apparently SATA3. Piece by piece build, so price isn't as much of an obstacle anymore)

[billygoat333]

MSI boards are good, but I have been preferring Gigabyte boards lately. My x58 board has been amazingly solid, and easy to use. Overclocking is a breeze. The best thing I found to do though, is read through the customer reviews on Newegg, including some of the bad ones. :) I have been looking at SSDs too, and am hoping there will be some good sales around black friday in a couple of weeks. If I find any good deals, I will let you know. I am looking at the Vertex 3 lineup, they pretty much are blisteringly fast. lol

Good luck on your build, and :pics:


:D

[diluzio91]

Lol... after a bad board from ebay i thought i would never touch gigabyte again. I realized that i had fallen victim to a skeezy seller however and gave gig another shot, havn't bought anything but gig for the past 3 rigs i've built for people.

Love my P67 so much. lol

[Datech]

So after a little more searching I think I'm gonna dumb down the mobo to an 880 instead. In that case, how about a Gigabyte, right?

GIGABYTE GA-880GMA-USB3: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128490

[diluzio91]

i hope you already had your hard drives. lol.... The price is literally doubled now.. :(

[Datech]

i hope you already had your hard drives. lol.... The price is literally doubled now.. :(

Did I miss something? I've got plenty of HDDs, I just wanted to get an SSD this time around.

[diluzio91]

Did I miss something? I've got plenty of HDDs, I just wanted to get an SSD this time around.


Lol. thats good. i didnt know with you wanting to build a new computer.

[Datech]

Lol. thats good. i didnt know with you wanting to build a new computer.

What I meant was, when did HDD prices double? Was it due to the nuclear issues? I missed that news if so.

[diluzio91]

Flood, they doubled in the last couple days. a 1tb drive is $150 for a 5400 RPM, a newegg wants 90 for a 160gb...

[Twigsoffury]

Flood, they doubled in the last couple days. a 1tb drive is $150 for a 5400 RPM, a newegg wants 90 for a 160gb...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145533

[diluzio91]

sickening... Anyone wanna buy a tb drive?

Jkjk... i'm gonna hoard my stock now... outside of the drives in my main rig/laptop i have

1 80gb, 1 320, 1 320 (2.5 inch), and a 250 that are currently un used... hmm, guess i'm not getting a new drive for the HTPC...

[Datech]

Got the CPU cooler today. Man did I forget how big a 120mm fan was! This thing should be super quiet, and I can't wait to get it all hooked up. Cool thing about the GeminII is you can swap out the 120mm fan for two 92mm or two 80mm fans if they fit better. Of course that will change the noise levels, but it's nice to have that kind of option.

I'll have pics later tonight. I'll probably be ordering the mobo linked above on Thursday.

[xr4man]

holy crap! i just saw the price of the hdds. what flood just happened?

[NightrainSrt4]

What flood just happened?

Exactly that.

[msmrx57]

holy crap! i just saw the price of the hdds. what flood just happened?

http://seekingalpha.com/article/306102-thailand-flooding-pain-ahead-for-disk-drive-dependent-manufacturers

[Datech]

So Newegg finally has a Black November sale that applies to me. I didn't buy anything in the last week because I was waiting on an applicable sale, or else wait til Black Friday.

15% Off OCZ SSDs with Promo Code: BLKNOVSSD at Checkout. Shop: OCZ SSDs (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=100011689&isNodeId=1&Description=OCZ+SSD&x=25&y=12)

I had been set on a 64GB Crucial M4 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441), but with this sale I'm really considering picking up a 120GB OCZ Vertex 3 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227706).

The 15% discount brings the Vertex down to $161.49 shipped, and the $20 MIR card drops it to $141.49. The price per GB is $1.34 without the MIR, and $1.18 without! I didn't find many complaints about the MIR not being honored, but as with any MIR I won't be banking on it.

Out of 324 reviews, there are 160 five star but 75 one star reviews. 3 of the one stars are from the same guy in the last 5 days, and all the rest were before 10/16. A firmware update was provided after that date that apparently fixed most of the 1 star problems. I will be able to plug this into my current rig and test it before needing to install an OS on it too.

So what say you? Should I drop the extra dough for a 120GB SSD with a decent discount? Are there any ongoing problems with this drive (I haven't checked the OCZ forums yet)? Should I get a 120GB Agility 3 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227726) instead for $145.34 shipped and $115.34 after MIR? I'm going to wait until tonight to make my decision.

[TheMainMan]

While I haven't had a chance to use anything outside of the Vertex line, I love mine. I don't know if OCZ still has the same advantage as they did in the early days with the fully unlocked Sandforce firmware. A 120GB is a great size, that's going to be big enough to put games and programs on whereas the 64GB would be tight (depending on how many games and programs you have).

IMHO, OCZ has one of the best rebate programs for Canadians as they still will give out a check, rather than a prepaid card. I've never had an issue with getting my rebates from them, though I'm pretty thorough to ensure I get them.

[Datech]

The above question about the OCZ SSD's still stand, but in the meantime here are some pics of the PSU and HSF. I took the pictures as if I was writing a review, so get over it:

PSU: Thermaltake Toughpower Grand 850W, TPG-850M (http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Category.aspx?S=1349)

Full package:
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8479/img2431r.jpg

Tons of cables:
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/304/img2433m.jpg

Big fan rated at 16dBa:
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/2553/img2434m.jpg

Well labeled connectors:
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/9023/img2435aw.jpg

If you want to see the case I'm putting it all in, the Thermaltake Armor A30, check out Joe O'Meara's article here. (http://www.thebestcasescenario.com/?q=thermaltake-armor-a30-review)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master GeminII S (http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=3263)

Box shots:
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/2172/img2437qw.jpg

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/3089/img2438x.jpg

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/5334/img2439z.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8947/img2440o.jpg

Bunch'a parts:
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4387/img2441u.jpg

Heatpipes:
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2694/img2442rq.jpg

120mm of silent goodness:
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4006/img2443t.jpg

They chop some fins off for RAM/MOSFET/capacitor fitment:
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8089/img2444lf.jpg

Basically just a big tower cooler laid over, right?
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1408/img2445j.jpg

The only thing I worry about, of course, is air flow. Without a motherboard or CPU in place, check out how close the CPU cooler is to the PSU. The two fans will be pulling air in opposite directions, but with the 92mm up front and two 60s in the back I hopefully won't have to worry too much.
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3209/img2447l.jpg

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/673/img2446z.jpg

[Datech]

While I haven't had a chance to use anything outside of the Vertex line, I love mine. I don't know if OCZ still has the same advantage as they did in the early days with the fully unlocked Sandforce firmware. A 120GB is a great size, that's going to be big enough to put games and programs on whereas the 64GB would be tight (depending on how many games and programs you have).

IMHO, OCZ has one of the best rebate programs for Canadians as they still will give out a check, rather than a prepaid card. I've never had an issue with getting my rebates from them, though I'm pretty thorough to ensure I get them.

Damn you TMM, I had almost convinced myself to wait on buying the drive! Now I gotta keep thinking...

Guess I'll see what causes the price difference between the Agility, Solid, and Vertex lines.

EDIT: Alright, did the research and pulled the trigger on the 120GB Agility 3. $145.34 shipped with the potential for a $30 MIR Card. Woo!

[TheMainMan]

In the cables pictures for the Thermaltake Grand, what are the four rubber/plastic looking pieces on the left for?

I don't think that you'll have too much of a problem with the cooler and CPU, by the pictures you've got what, about an inch and a half of space? As long as you have decent airflow overall, I don't think either will be starved for air.

Sorry:whistler: One thing I've found by having an SSD as the OS drive that I didn't realize until I built my SO an non-SSD system, is that hard drive noise is significantly reduced because the OS isn't always seeking on a mechanical.

[Datech]

In the cables pictures for the Thermaltake Grand, what are the four rubber/plastic looking pieces on the left for?

I don't think that you'll have too much of a problem with the cooler and CPU, by the pictures you've got what, about an inch and a half of space? As long as you have decent airflow overall, I don't think either will be starved for air.

Sorry:whistler: One thing I've found by having an SSD as the OS drive that I didn't realize until I built my SO an non-SSD system, is that hard drive noise is significantly reduced because the OS isn't always seeking on a mechanical.

Those are cable clamps. The molding on them is extremely tight though, and it was super hard for me to get one open and then reclose it without cables in it! Looks like I'll be using zip ties. The two rubber things with the 3M strip under those clamps are rubber corner mounts for the back of the PSU. Since the PSU is rounded, those rubber corners provide a little bit of shock absorption and cushion.

[TheMainMan]

Cool, thanks for the explanation. It seems like a really well thoughtout product.

[Twigsoffury]

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3209/img2447l.jpg


All those fans are going to starve that processor fan of pressure


You could reverse those two small rear fans to intake, or flip all the fans in the power supply to blow instead of suck. i wouldn't do that to the processor if that is all going to be buttoned up and closed, but thats just my two cents : P

[Datech]

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3209/img2447l.jpg


All those fans are going to starve that processor fan of pressure


You could reverse those two small rear fans to intake, or flip all the fans in the power supply to blow instead of suck. i wouldn't do that to the processor if that is all going to be buttoned up and closed, but thats just my two cents : P

Thanks for the tip Twig! That sounds like a pretty good idea. The side vents, graphics card, and PSU should be sufficient enough to transfer all that extra air out of the case, right?

On a related note, I snagged some Mushkin Enhanced Silverline DDR3-1333 8GB (2x4GB) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226095) in a Shell Shocker yesterday. Purchase price was $29.99, with a $5 MIR. Woo!

[Twigsoffury]

Thanks for the tip Twig! That sounds like a pretty good idea. The side vents, graphics card, and PSU should be sufficient enough to transfer all that extra air out of the case, right?


I'd assume so, but its easier to know when its sitting right in front of you.


I'd wait to see how close that CPU cooler is going to be sandwiched against the power supply though.. because you might end up wanting to flip the power supply's fans around and have the rest of the fans exhaust the air if the CPU fan is going to be right against the PSU fans.


Not to mention that would make a lot of buffeting and sound having two fans fight each other for air right next to each other.


(good deal on the ram man! )

[dr.walrus]

flip the psu upside down

[Datech]

flip the psu upside down

Durr... :facepalm: I completely forgot there is an intake fan at the top of this case, spanning the PSU, CPU cooler, and the graphics card slot. Yea, I'll flip the PSU over an all should be right with the world.

[Twigsoffury]

hahha damnit.

well thar ya go.

[Datech]

So right now Newegg has a early Black Friday deal of $20 off the 1100T, bringing it down to the same price as a 1090T. They also have a combo deal with the 560ti I want. After instant rebates and combo discount it's $397 with a $20 MIR. Buy it now or see what the real Black Friday and Cyber Monday have to offer?

[Fuganater]

Hard decision. You kinda have to just buy. There will always be a better deal down the road.

[Twigsoffury]

There will always be a better deal down the road.

This is true.


It'll always....always be at a lower price somewhere else right after you purchase it.

before purchase? same price.

0.0004ms after purchase? 30% off 24 sale blowout on AMD /X4X6/X8 processors, everything must go..now!..NOW!!...NAAOW!1!

[diluzio91]

This is true.


It'll always....always be at a lower price somewhere else right after you purchase it.

before purchase? same price.

0.0004ms after purchase Ships? 30% off 24 sale blowout on AMD /X4X6/X8 processors, everything must go..now!..NOW!!...NAAOW!1!


Fixed it for ya
:banana::banana::banana:

[AmEv]

Never from the same store, either. If it was, you MIGHT be able to get a discount.

[Datech]

Black Friday and Cyber Monday looks like a bust for most of the components I want. The OCZ deal was pretty good since it was SATA3, and there have been other good ones for SATA2 drives. RAM has been all over the place, but since most have gawdy heat spreaders nowadays I had no reason to jump on them. There seemed to be some decent discounts on mobos too, but I really only have one or two choices since I limited myself to AMD, mATX, USB3 and SATA3. I need new RAM and want a SSD for my laptop, but those'll have to wait til after Christmas anything.

I went ahead and bought the 1100T and 560TI OC'd card from Newegg, as well as the Gigabyte mobo. $489 shipped and $30 worth of MIR. It also came with a Batman code. I'm not sure if I'll play it or not, so PM me if anyone wants it for Christmas. Total cost if all the rebates come through will be $631, which is just fine for me!

Thanks for all the help and discussion guys! I'll of course post pics and stats when I get it all together Wednesday or Thursday.

[Twigsoffury]

Black Friday and Cyber Monday looks like a bust for most of the components I want. The OCZ deal was pretty good since it was SATA3, and there have been other good ones for SATA2 drives. RAM has been all over the place, but since most have gawdy heat spreaders nowadays I had no reason to jump on them. There seemed to be some decent discounts on mobos too, but I really only have one or two choices since I limited myself to AMD, mATX, USB3 and SATA3. I need new RAM and want a SSD for my laptop, but those'll have to wait til after Christmas anything.

I went ahead and bought the 1100T and 560TI OC'd card from Newegg, as well as the Gigabyte mobo. $489 shipped and $30 worth of MIR. It also came with a Batman code. I'm not sure if I'll play it or not, so PM me if anyone wants it for Christmas. Total cost if all the rebates come through will be $631, which is just fine for me!

Thanks for all the help and discussion guys! I'll of course post pics and stats when I get it all together Wednesday or Thursday.

Man i'd love batman for christmas!

you might check out mushkin memory, no over the top gawdy heatspreaders, no blingin LEDS all over the place. no pictures of dragons and s@#t on the side..

just fast memory, with effective heatspreaders and excellent timings!


[edit] what sorta LT ram are you looking for? i've got a few 2048MB sticks of DDR2- something or another.

[Datech]

Man i'd love batman for christmas!

you might check out mushkin memory, no over the top gawdy heatspreaders, no blingin LEDS all over the place. no pictures of dragons and s@#t on the side..

just fast memory, with effective heatspreaders and excellent timings!


[edit] what sorta LT ram are you looking for? i've got a few 2048MB sticks of DDR2- something or another.

I ended up getting an 8GB set of Mushkin Enhanced Silverline, and you congratulated me for the deal in post 89, lol. Also, I'm glad I bought the bundle yesterday, as the 1100T went back up to $190 today since the 1090T dropped to $160. I "saved" $20 by buying it yesterday, surprisingly.

I'm looking for an 8GB set for my laptop too, and iirc its DDR3-1333. There are a bunch of good deals for sets right now, but I'm going to wait until I can buy a SATAII SSD for my laptop. I run a VM on my laptop for work, so 8GB of RAM and an SSD will be one heck of an upgrade!

Thankfully everything shipped together in one box from California last night. Looks like I'll have a huge distraction right before my Microelectronics final exam on Friday :neutral:

[AmEv]

Dear Santa....

[Datech]

Dear Santa....

I honestly hadn't thought about asking. Just put the RAM and two SSD's on the Christmas list though, so thanks! One 120GB for my laptop, and a 60GB boot drive for the wife's desktop. She wants a new laptop for Christmas (an entire glass of wine decommissioned the last one), but I think I'm going to wait and see if she gets a good corporate job that provides her one.

[Twigsoffury]

I honestly hadn't thought about asking. Just put the RAM and two SSD's on the Christmas list though, so thanks! One 120GB for my laptop, and a 60GB boot drive for the wife's desktop. She wants a new laptop for Christmas (an entire glass of wine decommissioned the last one), but I think I'm going to wait and see if she gets a good corporate job that provides her one.

Corporate laptops blow chunks.


it's like the difference between a 100,000$ quarter horse, and old Betsy luu over there with bad eyes and a slow hip your selling for 125$ or two goats in trade.

[Datech]

Corporate laptops blow chunks.


it's like the difference between a 100,000$ quarter horse, and old Betsy luu over there with bad eyes and a slow hip your selling for 125$ or two goats in trade.

Depends on the corporation and the department's needs and budget ;) I just got my 300 engineers and devs the option for an i7 quad core with 8GB of RAM and a dedicated vid card. I also helped give our managers the option of nice MacBooks. She doesn't need much though, and as long as they don't lock it down too hard it won't be a problem. If she doesn't get one I'll probably grab her something cheap when the Tax Return sales pop up.

[Datech]

Woo, new computer is finally up and running! It's awesomely quiet at idle, and I'm really glad I got an SSD. My WEI is a 7.5, which was the score for both the proc (1100T) and RAM (8GB DDR3-1333). The graphics and primary disk were both 7.9!

I'll be using my virtual machine most of the day tomorrow, and potentially installing the free Batman game after I get the work done. I'll try and post the pictures after that.