Cpu temps

[Moman]

I have a pentium 4 3.0E ghz socket 478 and i am worried about heat problems. I just bought a Hardcano 13 and installed it on my new system, about 2 months old. I hadn't payed attention to heat until now. The Cpu temp when idle is between 35-45 degrees celcius, when loading and playing a game or graphic intensive program it shoots to 69-71 degrees celcius. If just browsing files or the internet the temp will go to low 50s. I want to know if this is bad? I think it is okay because no temps over 71.5 yet I am still unsure.Please help.

[Omega]

I'm not too farmiliar with intel, but i do know that they run hotter than AMD.


Here's a tip. If you don't mind your rig sounding liek a server (i don't mind mine =p) then pump it full of more fans.

For the CPU alone, i have a 120 intake, two 80's to speed that up, the 92 on the HSF, and a 120 exhaust. but ig gets loud. whatever.


and i run stable under load at anywhere from 56-60c.


Go AMD.

[antheh]

It is quite bad, I have a Intel Pentium 640 3.2ghz cpu which runs between 28-32c while just surfing the net and chatting on msn and such. While underload it sometimes gets to maybe 42c. I do have a 120mm intake and 120mm exhaust and a 92mm intake on the side and a Zalman CNPS7700-cu cpu cooler.

I would say, try some top of the range thermal paste. Clean up the wires in your case, get an intake fan (for the front of the case) and a exhaust fan (at the back of the case) as a minimum.

[Slug Toy]

ive got the same cpu as you do. it was one of my mistakes... but thats not the point.

ive got pretty low operating temperatures as well. its on a stock cooler too. the idle is down between 25 and 30 degrees, and under load ive tracked it to about 56.

make sure your heatsink is making good contact with the cpu, and if you arent using arctic silver, perhaps you should consider it.

by all means, your temperatures are "acceptable". they're just in the upper limits of acceptability. its getting into the range where your cpu life will be shortened.

so look into improving heatsink contact, and maybe even get a better cooling apparatus.

[sega01]

personally i think 60c + is too high. it lowers the potential for overclocking, and slightly lowers stablility and performance at those temperatures. what cpu fan do you have on it? i would recommend getting a better cpu heatsink/fan and possibly some artic silver.

[CanaBalistic]

Im not sure about thoes acusations about intels being hotter than amd's. Im currently enrolled in a computer repair course. i have a video clip of a technician starting up 2 computers WITHOUT HEATSINKS!, one intel and one amd. the intel chips have thermal protection that shuts down the cpu if it reaches about 150-160. the amd chips have no protection and will get up to around 500-600 and will fry themselves.

If anyone knows of a video hoster, ill upload the clips

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Motherboard monitor doesnt work for my mobo so i dont know the internal specs but with my temp probe on the back side of the motherboard my temps are the same for the cpu & vga 30.5 celcius. My case is at 25 c and my HDD is the higest at 31.5 c

[Moman]

I have four fans ln the case 1 - 80mm front intake, 2 - 80mm side intake, 1 - 120 mm rear exhaust fan, the heatsink and fan on my cpu is intel stock. What did you mean by that cpu was 1 of your mistakes, why?

[Rankenphile]

Im not sure about thoes acusations about intels being hotter than amd's. Im currently enrolled in a computer repair course. i have a video clip of a technician starting up 2 computers WITHOUT HEATSINKS!, one intel and one amd. the intel chips have thermal protection that shuts down the cpu if it reaches about 150-160. the amd chips have no protection and will get up to around 500-600 and will fry themselves.

If anyone knows of a video hoster, ill upload the clips

[edit]
Motherboard monitor doesnt work for my mobo so i dont know the internal specs but with my temp probe on the back side of the motherboard my temps are the same for the cpu & vga 30.5 celcius. My case is at 25 c and my HDD is the higest at 31.5 c

Youtube.com and Google Video are both free video hosting sites.

[Slug Toy]

the mistake i made was buying the pentium when the athlons were taking over. i got my computer back when i didnt know a heck of a lot about this stuff. at that time, amd had just started shining, but of course i didnt know that.

if i had looked into it a little more, i would be running on either a 754 or early 939 system right now, and i wouldnt be kicking myself because of the performance gap.

[Omega]

Im not sure about thoes acusations about intels being hotter than amd's. Im currently enrolled in a computer repair course. i have a video clip of a technician starting up 2 computers WITHOUT HEATSINKS!, one intel and one amd. the intel chips have thermal protection that shuts down the cpu if it reaches about 150-160. the amd chips have no protection and will get up to around 500-600 and will fry themselves.



Uh, just because Intel's automatically shut off doesn't mean that under normal conditions (like, with a heatsink?) they run cooler. It just means that there is a fail-safe there.

[antheh]

How can you accurately gauge if intels run hotter then AMD's is what I want to know.

I'm no fanboy and own both an AMD and an Intel cpu powers pc's.

[ForceFedFlesh]

How can you accurately gauge if intels run hotter then AMD's is what I want to know.

I'm no fanboy and own both an AMD and an Intel cpu powers pc's.

u could run them underload each using the same program, and also the same heatsink and fan.
but that would vary from the models of intels to models of amd

[jrabbitb]

Im not sure about thoes acusations about intels being hotter than amd's. Im currently enrolled in a computer repair course. i have a video clip of a technician starting up 2 computers WITHOUT HEATSINKS!, one intel and one amd. the intel chips have thermal protection that shuts down the cpu if it reaches about 150-160. the amd chips have no protection and will get up to around 500-600 and will fry themselves.


1) the older AMD processors did not have thermal protection, the new ones do.
2) intel chips run hotter then AMD because the intel chips use way more power.

now for the issue of temps:
the intel you have is undoubtedly a prescot core, which are known as space heaters. its normal for you to see those temps on a stock heatsink. i recomend getting a solid copper heatsink and use arctic silver5 (a thin consistant layer is best). if your motherboard can handle it this is a very nice and quiet heatsink.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118223
or the one i have but you really have to check the zalman website to make sure it will fit on your motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118115

and here is the arctic silver 5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835100007
you can get several uses out of that tube and remember to use some rubbing alcahol to clean both the processor and the heatsink before you apply the AS5 and then try not to leave the AS5 sitting out to collect dust, the cleaner the connection the better the heat dispersal.

good luck.

[antheh]

I use Artic Silver Ceramique and find it to be really good. I started off using a Spire I think it was silver thermal paste and it worked good, once I used the Artic Silver Ceramique it was even better, lowering temps by a good 5c overall.

http://www.articsilver.com/ceramique.htm

[Omega]

How can you accurately gauge if intels run hotter then AMD's is what I want to know.

I'm no fanboy and own both an AMD and an Intel cpu powers pc's.


You build two identical systems, Same specs on everything, and test them both under the same load.


Like, you find out two equal amd and intel boards, and two equal amd and intel chips, get two identical video cards, optical drives, power supplies, cases, hard drives, and cooling systems.



You can only accurately test things when only one variable is different

[justleftlife]

personally i think 60c + is too high. it lowers the potential for overclocking, and slightly lowers stablility and performance at those temperatures. what cpu fan do you have on it? i would recommend getting a better cpu heatsink/fan and possibly some artic silver.


I have a prescott and it used to run with the regular HS at 60 under load 70 and any higher and it will shut down.. (pentium is programmed to shut down at danger heats) If you plan on gaming then you should really get a better sync i have the blue orb 2 my compy runs at 27-32c when useing internet and suck when i get some games on it goes up to 42 ish

[Moman]

I want to know the best place to put the thermal sensor so i have a more accurate temp readings and my harcano 13 wont stop flashing red, no alarm beeps just flashing.

[CanaBalistic]

the best place for a probe would be in a small hole drilled into the heatsink base. Or if its possible, in the void in the socket right under the cpu. I currently have mine taped to the back side of my motherboard. I dont know if its the best place but the readings still fluxuate according to load.