Dear AMD, What where you thinking!!!!

[985323]

From what Ive been reading the new FX-8150 uses more power than an i7 2600K and yet the i7 2600K mops the floor with it, the phenom II is better!
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested
http://static.techspot.com/articles-info/452/bench/Encoding_02.png
Please read the review

[Aldersan]

I would just like to point out, it technically double the cores, so it would be much better at multitasking and programs that better utilize multiple cores, even if its not as good straight up for gaming :)

[diluzio91]

Yeah, the other problem (as noted by most reviewers) is that amd's cluster technology isn't really supported properly even by windows 7, the same thing happened to intel when they first introduced hyper threading. (again)

[Aldersan]

Eh, it won't take long for that to get fixed, also apparently the top bulldozer is supposedly really overclockable, so that helps too :)

[TheGreatSatan]

I'm still loving the idea of having 8-cores. To me, the processor doesn't really matter anyway. If you have an SSD you 'll never see the difference. I tell people all the time coming in looking for a processor to save your money and buy an SSD instead. I see socket 775 dual core systems with SSD's spank 2600K PC's all the time.

[Aldersan]

Ha no kidding, my lappy with a core2duo and ssd loads and installs things much faster then my friends with an i7 and hdd, its an expensive upgrade but worth it, but that doesn't mean I don't like more cores too :D

[diluzio91]

lol... yeah... i was rooting so hard for bulldozer... but i guess idk what to say... My system stats say it all...

[AmEv]

hmmm....

Upgrade my laptop with an SSD and a Core Duo, perhaps?

[Aldersan]

The only issue I've really found with SSD's on laptops is, of course, the space issue, especially if you only have one drive. If you can deal with small storage space, I'd say go for it!

[AmEv]

If I need the space, there's external HDDs.

[Aldersan]

Yup yup! I've got a..I think its 120gb SSD in my lappy, and it's enough room for the os, all my files, and half a dozen games or so, so it's enough for me to work with :D

[AmEv]

The limiting factor of my laptop?


SATA 1.

[Aldersan]

Hmm, from what I understand, you would be capped at the 150MB/s limit of SATA 1, but you'd still notice a huge performance increase

[crenn]

I have a 250GB HDD in my laptop, I'd have to get a similar sized SSD if I wanted to replace it. As for the AMD bulldozer, what's the cost of both processors?

[AmEv]

I've never understood that:
When does 1.5GB/s=150MB/S?????
That would make the best IDE 1.3GB/S, then!

However, a dual-core laptop@~2.0GHz, with 1280*800 screen, semi-integrated graphics, awesome speakers, 533MHz FSB/RAM, SSD, it shouldn't be too bad.

[985323]

The Bulldozer cost's $267.75 CAD=257.313 AUD

[Aldersan]

First-generation SATA interfaces, now known as SATA 1.5 Gbit/s, communicate at a rate of 1.5 Gbit/s. Taking 8b/10b encoding overhead into account, they have an actual uncoded transfer rate of 1.2 Gbit/s (150 MB/s). - from wikipedia :)

[AmEv]

Bytes, bits.

Why do they have to share the same letter??????????

[Aldersan]

Masochistic programmers I guess lol

[crenn]

They are marked by the capitalisation of the letter. b for bits, B for bytes. Easy to tell apart when someone uses the right notation.

[TheGreatSatan]

At least it's not measured in nibbles :D

[Aldersan]

That would be ridiculous...ly awesome ! "Dude I just got a new hard drive, it can read at 1500000 nibbles per second!"

[dr.walrus]

Bytes, bits.

Why do they have to share the same letter??????????

Because the words start with the same letter :dead:

[TheGreatSatan]

One is B, the other is b. What's the problem?

[AmEv]

When people type in ALL CAPS or simply don't capitalize......

Other than that, not much......

[DeviceUnknown]

I really hope people give Bulldozer a shot. Think about the 1100T. it compared no where near as well as the i5, but was considerable less expensive. Now we have the FX-8150 (soon 8170) that competes with the i5, and close to i7 at the same price as the i5. However it is actually cheap but due to supply and demand and introduction of a new product the prices were raised, usually by vendors. Give it another 30 days, it will be around the $199 mark and make the BEST performance per dollar processor on the market. Not to mention the rest of the platform is cheaper and provides a better platform (2x x16 and 1x x8 PCIe anyone, native 4x usb 3.o)?

[TheGreatSatan]

There's supposed to be an 8150P as well. 4.2GHz out of the box

[Konrad]

My understanding is that AMD is currently slightly behind the leapfrog race with Intel in terms of how small they can scale the circuit lithography. All other things considered equal, the smaller scale higher density components will be more power efficient. Though of course all things aren't equal; AMD has different emphasis on multi-cores, and shifts more of the load from the Northbridge/MCH chip onto the processor chip ... plus you can get 3 of 'em for the same price as an equivalent i7, maybe even 4 or 5 if you factor in the mobo costs as well.

[x88x]

I'll stick with my 1090T for the moment, but I'm optimistic for the future. As Konrad pointed out, AMD is going in a very different direction than Intel, especially with this new complete chip redesign. IMO, this is just another step along the road that they have been looking down for a long time now; further cementing their grip on the large server market, where multi-threaded applications are the norm instead of the exception.

Regarding die size, with the introduction of the Bobcat and now Bulldozer chips, AMD has joined Intel on the 32nm stage. That being said, I think Intel is planning on dropping down to 24nm with Ivy Bridge, so...yeah...having an operating income 20x larger than your only competitor does have its perks.. :P

[Twigsoffury]

Oh magic computer santa clause


Won't you convince a mainboard vendor to introduce a dual socket AM3+ motherboard?

http://techreport.com/r.x/skulltrail/skulltrail-3q-2.jpg

( yea i know its LGA775 :| )

[AmEv]

Or quad...!

[x88x]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the reason nobody makes a >1 socket AMx(x) board is because no AMx(x) chips can be run in multi-chip configurations. Even Opterons, you have to get a specific model line to run 2-chip systems, and a separate model line if you want to run more than two chips (yes, that line works in 2-chip systems as well). The only reason there are multi-socket LGAxxx(x) boards is because Intel uses the same physical socket for their server chips. You can't run, say, an i7 in a multi-chip system either.

EDIT:
That being said, if you really want some crazy AMD awesomeness, check out their Magny-Cours chips. Or even better, the upcoming Bulldozer-based Interlagos chips. 8-socket board populated with 16-core CPUs anyone? :twisted:

[AmEv]

8 socket motherboard....

64 RAM banks.....



1TB RAM, anyone?????

[Cale_Hagan]

I'll stick with my 1090T for the moment, but I'm optimistic for the future. As Konrad pointed out, AMD is going in a very different direction than Intel, especially with this new complete chip redesign. IMO, this is just another step along the road that they have been looking down for a long time now; further cementing their grip on the large server market, where multi-threaded applications are the norm instead of the exception.

Regarding die size, with the introduction of the Bobcat and now Bulldozer chips, AMD has joined Intel on the 32nm stage. That being said, I think Intel is planning on dropping down to 24nm with Ivy Bridge, so...yeah...having an operating income 20x larger than your only competitor does have its perks.. :P

IMO, the only reason intel even got back ahead is because of intel's missleading marketing. AMD actually used it against them successfully in the p1-p2 transition, as intel was trying to redo sockets, AMD stuck with socket seven, and also preceeded it with super socket 7. intel almost lost the battle right there, so they rushed their product out on a riser card setup. i doubled my cash on hand in a year by knowing AMD is ingenuitive, and they would have their new ati cards out soon. i bought 100 shares a like 3 bucks, and another 100 shares at 2.75 and sold for over 6 bucks a share. in just over a year, thats a good return on investment. :think: i love AMD, IMO they have always been the better company, if not the one with most revenue. :whistler: