Need a place to put thoughts for build

[Outlaw]

going to start this thread to put thoughts for my laptop build- current name hydro6000. As the name implies, it will hopefully be a water cooled DV6000 laptop when everything is said and done. A lot of the information is/will be moved from the now way off subject motherboard replacement - DV6000 (http://www.thebestcasescenario.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27505) post in the laptop section. This is starting to take shape but still need parts, plan, money and hopefully some input from the group here.

Quick overview to get those reading up to speed:
1. DV6000 motherboard was replaced with "upgraded model"
2. Still risking overheating and burning up chips/board
3. Working on custom copper block for CPU/CHP, and GPU to completely replace oem hs/f
4. Will most likely be WC this, hopefully more for the wow factor then necessity.
5. Stuck on cooler pad. I have found a couple good candidates but stuck on some of the hows, whats, and wheres of building/modifying.

Current parts list of on hand, need to get, and would like to get

On Hand:
DV6000 (http://reviews.cnet.com/sc/32036702-2-440-overview-1.gif)
2x Waterblocks (http://site.casemodwholesale.com/ebay2007/casefan/120mm/Block01-T.jpg) (in transit)
1x copper block (http://i43.tinypic.com/29lhfzo.jpg) (soon to be 2 blocks)

Need to get:
water pump (http://site.casemodwholesale.com/ebay2007/casefan/120mm/Deltapump02-T.jpg) 12v 72L/Hr
radiator (http://site.casemodwholesale.com/ebay2007/casefan/120mm/80RADIATOR-T.jpg)
80mm fan
cooler pad (modded or built)
2nd power supply

Would like to get:
reservoir (http://i.ebayimg.com/t/FrozenQPCMods-FlexTank-MicroReservoir-Seconds-/20/!CFMUk3!!Wk~$%28KGrHqEOKkEE0,Q9ssr5BNUWZ+sYhg~~_35 .JPG) (still optional)
speakers (Dell AS501 or AX510 at this point)
speaker amp (http://store.qkits.com/moreinfo.cfm/FK607) (for a mini subwoofer FA607 from qkits)
mini subwoofer (http://www.parts-express.com/images/item_large/264-875_l.jpg)
higher capacity battery/s
Secondary battery for cooler pad parts

If it's preferred I put all the pics up instead of links, please let me know.
I think this covers the majority of it for now. I'm sure ill be adding to this shortly though.

Outlaw

[Fuganater]

Couldn't you make your own cooler pad with alumimum or acrylic? Might bring down the cost for you and make this project that much more custom.

[Outlaw]

The building part would be ideal as I have run through it probably dozens of times in my head, the big part stopping me from doing that is tools and work space. The cooler pads considered were $25-$90 and would still need some modification.

I was thinking of posting in the service wanted to see if someone could at least make me the frame section. built from modders mesh would be preferred. I just don't have anything to correctly bend it to suit unless I missed something on tool less bending.

Approx dimensions needed.
16-16.5" wide
12-12.5" deep
2.4" MIN front, 2.5-3" rear

Using a 19x19" sheet, this would give me the front, top, rear, and a lip on the sides and bottom for mounting another sheet of metal and some acrylic to the sides.

In the end, the goal is to fit as much of the equipment into the cooler pad.

[Fuganater]

do you have a piece of wood, some C-Clamps and a torch? you could bend it your self. Actually if you wanted it rounded you could use a pipe and a rubber mallet. Modders mesh bends super easy. You could use a 1/8" thick alumimum strip to go under the edges of the modders mesh to give you a type of frame.

[Outlaw]

The only torch on hand isn't really a torch by my definition. Its a butane torch/soldering iron. The soldering iron "adapter" comes off and exposes a "torch" capable of up to 2400* per the box.

I do not have any C-Clamps or a piece of wood usable in this application.

I would have go to my dads about 20miles away on a good day who has most of this.

How easy is "super easy". lol

For bending the mesh, is there a recommended way to get tight corners close to each other? Or is that what the wood and C-Clamp is for? and why size wood? I think my dad mostly has 2x4 from previous home projects he's done.

Do you think the mesh would be strong enough on it's own?

If I were to get a couple clamps, I may be able to use our counter top, lol although the wife probably wouldn't care for it too much.

Thanks for the info
Outlaw


*edit*
found some angle aluminum. 1/8"- http://www.amazon.com/Steelworks-Boltmaster-11341-Angles-Aluminum/dp/B000PXSJA0

It wouldn't have to be that exact one as I wouldn't need 8ft but would that be better to make the frame out of as it would give more support? Also, what is preferred for cutting it?

[Fuganater]

if your using the dense modders mesh it is strong but probably not strong enough to hold something.

Its easy as clamping it down with a piece of 2x4 thats longer than your mesh and hammering it down to a right angle on some type of edge with a rubber mallet. If you have a porch, your cement steps would also work instead of a counter top. (IF they have a nice 90 degree edge.)

[Outlaw]

Ok, good to know with the mesh. I will just have to find a good sheet to get and some angle aluminum.

Also, based on the info, I will most like have to paint as well.

[d_stilgar]

Here's another radiator option that might be more appropriate.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11761/ex-rad-185/MagiCool_Mini_II_Dual_40mm_Radiator.html

[Outlaw]

I was actually considering that just because of the size but I wasn't sure how efficient it is and what the wattage it could handle. I was also discouraged because of the limited fan choice and high price for minimal cfm. Plus 4000rpm for upto 8cfm didn't seem to quite. lol maybe i missed the good fans though.

I asked over at overclock and they recommended against it. Any reviews on it?

The 3/8" barbs on it means I would need reducers as well which isn't all bad but an additional cost. Unless I change the pump I was looking at and purchase 3/8" barbs.

Thanks

[Outlaw]

Anyone know of a good set of portable speakers? Similar to size of the dells I referenced above. AS501 or AX510

Dimensions:
58(H)x340(W)x58(D)mm
2.28x13.39x2.28inch

If I am able to make the cooler pad, this would get mounted into the front. And also if the mini sub is possible, this would be mounted facing up somewhere under the laptop itself.

Happy Thanksgiving!
Outlaw

[AmEv]

I'd recommend the Labtec LCS-600 speakers; however, they are hard to find and come by.

[Outlaw]

Looks like some are on ebay. How do you think they would sound out of enclosure? OR relocated to a project box to fit into my cooler pad?

If they are as good as the frequency response says, I wouldn't need a mini-sub.

*edit*
While searching. Look for Labtec Spin 60, I found that is the same as the LCS-600

[AmEv]

I don't know how they sound out of their enclosure; I do know that they're 8 ohm, 3 watt, 6 volt, speakers.


Awesome bass, though. For portable speakers.



Once I get my soldering done, I'll upload pix and a vid.


*Looks like those Spin speakers are headset ready.

**UK eBay link:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Labtec-PC-speakers-/200679030267?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DDLSL%252BSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%26itu %3DUCI%252BUA%26otn%3D10%26pmod%3D230684835738%252 B230684835738%26po%3D%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D44360395 59846704157

[Outlaw]

Thanks for the info!

These would fit into the pad somewhere, perferably the front as this will mostly be used on a desk of some sort. I will get a paint pic of what I am ultimately trying to accomplish.

Thanks!
Outlaw

[AmEv]

You're welcome.


The Spin uses 2.5W speakers.
(Cnet)




No wonder why the 600 has so good of sound. 6 watt portable speaker set.
(3w speakers *2 vs 2.5W *2)



W=V*A
6=6*A
1=A
So, if you were to use a brick, you'd need a 6V, 1A brick.





I must also say, the right speaker isn't fixed to the MoBo; soldering for extensions is accepted.

[Outlaw]

lol, yeah, surprisingly they have good specs. When I seen them, I was like are you seriously recommending these? Then I seen the response and wattage and was like, thats not too bad. lol

Not sure if the spacing in your post was for pictures, but my work as blocked them if so.

The housing would definitely get pulled apart and somehow crammed into the pad... just need to make a cooler pad. lol

Thanks again.

[AmEv]

For 10-year-old speakz? Yeah, not too bad.

No pictures; big gaps for me means lots of thinking, suspense.

[Outlaw]

Haha, ok, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. lol

*edit*
Also noticed the battery was a huge source of the overheating.
13min into a standard definition movie is only about 55C at 800mhz. With battery, it would be about 70-75C.
At 2.1Ghz, it slowly raised to 70C and was still climbing when I put it back to power save.

With a junk battery, I can just leave it out and use the space for extra hardware or replace with the 8800mah battery... hmm.

*edit 2*
Here is a very rough idea of what I was looking to put into the cooler. For reference, I put the pump in there but if room provides, I will put in the location of the fan in the laptop. Obviously not to scale. The asterisk is the pump which may or may not be in the cooler. The mini sub is optional if I can find a good set of speakers that will work in the pad.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2ut2p34.jpg

[Outlaw]

Well, I think I might look for a good soundbar and try using the sub i found at my dads. Its from a CA 4100 4.1 system (http://www.amazon.com/Cyber-Acoustics-CA-4100-Computer-Speakers/dp/B00005BC0F/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top). It is a 45W total. Since its free and the

SPECIFICATIONs -----------------------------------POWER OUTPUT - 45 watts total Satellites: 6 watts x 4 Subwoofer : 21 wattsDRIVERS - Satellites: 2.5" high efficiency 4 ohm radiators Subwoofer : 4" poly carbon high excursion driver Ported wood enclosed cabinetFREQUENCY RESPONSE- 35Hz

[AmEv]

You know, I just realized that I got two HP batteries collecting dust.

Both HSTNN-DB17.


Both lightly used, but haven't been used in 2+ years, since both laptops that used them are toast.

[Outlaw]

Looks like the same battery I have that is currently a paper weight. If they are good, I think they could be used in the cooler pad in series to increase the overall capacity.

a pm has been sent.

[AmEv]

I'd have to ask my brother, though, as they are his batteries.

PS: PM did not go through.

[Outlaw]

Ok, cool.

Lol, sorry, I just sent the pm.


*update*
As I sit at my desk. I realize I could pull apart my 2.1 7W but they are already mediocre in their oe enclosure.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836183037

*update 2*
After playing with VLC (which I can't get to save the eq settings) and Windows sound I found some audio settings. Using the Speaker properties, you can set "enhancements", bass boost, virtual surround, room correction, loudness equalization. Turning on the bass boost with a +24dB and a cutoff at 50Hz, this eagle 2.1 came to life in the low end. I know its not saying much but the rumble of the tackles in Waterboy have some depth to it and my desk rumbles a little now. I still have the heat issues and wasn't able to test an hd with dts sound though. Overall, if the 21w sub works anything like this setup, I will be quite happy.

[Outlaw]

I have speakers on its way. I won 2 "new" Dell AS501 Sound bars for 20.50 shipped.

Anyone have info on the XSPC X2O 200 Single Bay Reservoir/Pump Combo?
I read a lot of mixed reviews. Seems the biggest issue is that people don't fill the res completely and/or the pump is too powerful for the small res and will cause a "funnel" and suck in air which causes excess noise from the pump.
http://www.xs-pc.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/117-300x238.jpg

I can get one slightly less then the online retailers are selling for. It's listed as "new" and comes with the silver and black bezel.


*update*
Scratch that, i found one for 38+shipping from sidewinder computers. Still not sure on quality but would be a perfect combo for this build.

Also, I found the screw info I need. I need PM2.5mm x ~10mm. The OE screws for the OE HS is PM2.5mm x 5mm. I will either need a washer 6-8mm in diameter or a screw with a head 6-8mm diameter. To know 100%, I will have to wait until I get the new block which will be shaved down from the soldering and to make it flat again. original thickness was 1/4" (6.35mm). Im guessing it will still be at least 4mm + original 5mm depth +the block doesn't have give like the original mounting.

[Outlaw]

Update to the parts list.

Today:
Received both waterblocks with 1/4" barbs
Picked up 10' of 1/4" ID (3/8" OD) Tubing
Picked up 8' of 1/16"x1/2"x1/2" angle aluminum

Total parts on hand or in route:
2x Water Blocks
2x Copper Blocks
1x 10' Tubing
1x 8' angle aluminum
1x AS501 speakers
1x 3" 21W Subwoofer
80mm fan

Still need to get:
Mesh
Acrylic (still in debate. used for sides)
U channel aluminum 1/16"
Screws M2.5mm
12v adapter for pump and accessories
Pump/Res Combo

[Outlaw]

:( update

Looks like I can't use the CA-4100 subwoofer board and speaker. I was hoping to maybe get away with slightly "modding" the board to work with an input and power source only. I think the volume controls in the right speaker which go through the sub are going to prevent me from using it. Also, I don't think I have the power adapter anymore and tried 2 different 12v adapters. One gave off a horrible pulsing noise, the other nothing.

[AmEv]

IIRC, the pulsing from speakers means the polarity of the power adapter is reversed.

[Outlaw]

hm. good to know. Didn't realize they did that with them. thought there was maybe some standardization but that would just be silly. That means the one that just did nothing was probably the right polarity but not enough amperage. It was just a external hdd adapter.

Thanks, I'll have to look out for another adapter then.
Outlaw

[Outlaw]

update

Got the 2x AS501 today. Must say, I am impressed with them.

[Aldersan]

I've got a dual bay res with the 655 internal pump mount from xspc, and it's nice! only problem I have is that it's a bit too small for the bays, so it wiggles a bit, but other than that I haven't had any issues

[Outlaw]

Thanks for the confidence boost in the product. now i have to get the funds. xmas shopping from the wife kinda took care of that. lol

Thanks,
Outlaw

[Outlaw]

update.

Got the chopped up block back.
http://i44.tinypic.com/fp5cow.jpg

I may not need the block on the right if I am able to go water because the water block is plenty big and plenty heavy.

Just have to find the screws to hold these on now.

[Outlaw]

update-
The larger block was quite a bit off from the heating/cooling of the heatpipe. Lots of sanding took place today.

http://i40.tinypic.com/245ynmf.jpg


update 2-
Got the blocks installed in temporary form and the idle temps of the CPU are about 39/40c in the ~10min its been running. GPU is at 49c. idle 800mhz

upto 52c GPU, 42c CPU 800mhz

bumped to high perf setting at 2.1Ghz
52c GPU, 45c CPU 2.1Ghz 1min
55c GPU, 67c CPU 2.1Ghz 5min

[AmEv]

Get that mirror finish!

[Outlaw]

Oh I got it. lol. that big block was ridiculously concave. I ran out of sandpaper. lol

I am happy that the blocks at least fit. Unfortunately, it wasn't enough to keep them cool. The GPU mounts are just far enough, I can get a cross bracket and secure it. The CPU is going to be a littly trickier at least with the blocks I have as the screws are too close together.

I'll get some pics up later of it mounted.


Update
Some pics

Motherboard with copper blocks only.
http://i43.tinypic.com/zu61zb.jpg

Only way for CPU water block to sit on copper block. May have to look at replacing this block.
http://i43.tinypic.com/10d5kk7.jpg

GPU water block. You can see it would be a really tight fit but doable as the screws would come down the sides and not really interfere. This block/setup would be OK.
http://i44.tinypic.com/dy982e.jpg

I might have to get the CHC-120
http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=393

[Outlaw]

Unfortunately this is now put on hold until the new year. :(

[AmEv]

Not too long now.

Don't be terribly bummed.

[Outlaw]

Just sucks I have to wait, I really want to see if there is a decent gaming difference from the old setup and be able to use it to it's full/max potential. lol BUT looking at the cost of the waterblock/s needed ($30ea) plus the pump and rad, it still wont be cheap but hopefully cool looking. lol

I guess we'll see next yr.
Outlaw

[Aldersan]

It's "next year" now, keep working!

[AmEv]

:stupid:

[Twigsoffury]

Unfortunately this is now put on hold until the new year. :(

Hi,


It's 2012.

= p

[Outlaw]

haha. yeah.. Hoping to get back into it. Was talking to Aldersan a bit about it this morning (3am ish). Still got the laptop and parts acquired previous. Just need to find close estimate of total parts still needed.

[Outlaw]

I found a P500 thermaltake for 20 bucks (current bid). What do you guys think? It's 500L (132G)per hour. Think this would be enough flow? Otherwise, is there something to use to make this a somewhat budget build?

I was still considering the Thermaltake Delta DC 12v 3pin at 72L (19G)per hour. I know its significantly less, but I think/hope it would be efficient enough to just keep water moving and pulling heat away.

*Remember, this isn't your standard pc heat sources.
CPU-35W
GPU- 11W
CHP- ? (use 20W?)

Total- 66W? to be safe?

[Fuganater]

You can get a MCP350 for $30 shipped. I bought 5 over on Hardforums.

[Outlaw]

Thanks. I'll have to register and keep looking, the few I found were already sold. I did find a few micro res for this that may work too. lol

the mcp35x looks like it may be another option to use.

Thanks. +rep

[Fuganater]

Ya its super small so it can fit pretty much anywhere.

[Outlaw]

Cool. Would you say the MCP350 is noisy at all?

[Fuganater]

meh. Its louder than a DCP but quieter than the MCP650 and slightly quieter than the MPC355.

[Outlaw]

lol. OK. The only thing I have to compare is the Corsair H50. Think it will cause noise issues with using a laptop which is usually fairly quite?

[Fuganater]

Depends on the fan.

[Outlaw]

For the fan, it would be in the 80mm or 120mm depending on the rad. If it was a 120, it would probably be the slim fan. 80mm, not sure yet.

Either way, I probably won't have to run at full speed. At least that is the plan, lol

Thanks.

[Aldersan]

:pics:

[Neodymium]

:pics:

LOL...go easy on the guy :D It's still thoughts ;)

[Aldersan]

hey, sketches and mockups count as pics!

[Outlaw]

lol. its OK. the pics/sketches were done to the point of getting the point across, i can repaste them in here if you need. lol

I don't want to cut the angle aluminum until I get some of the larger parts to make sure it will fit inside height wise. I was looking at a thermaltake copper rad for 80mm fan, with that it could change my height predictions. They have 120 slim fans and rads but they are out of my total budget build. I could get a couple 40mmx2 rads and run them at lower RPM but I haven't found enough reviews to trust they would dissipate the heat enough. Their dimensions are what make them appealing though.

[Aldersan]

Lol so you're at the point where you have several options but no idea which one to pick? Make a decision man! :P

[Outlaw]

exactly at that point. I already made a $30 dollar mistake on the water blocks, lol. Can't make more of those. The rad is 20+ship+fan, pump is 20+ depending on one i get. Believe it or not, the metal parts for the pad is actually the cheapest part.

Thanks for the quick ship!

[Outlaw]

Here is the picture which is a "STILL IN PROGRESS" but necessary for Aldersan. lol

http://i42.tinypic.com/23lmdty.jpg

update 1:
New Parts list:
http://i42.tinypic.com/ta3swj.jpg

The blocks come with 2 compression fittings each. I will be removing 1 from each block to install a 90* swivel compression to extend to the other block. The other outlet will go to a quick disconnect for removal of laptop if/when needed. 1 quick disconnect will lead to the radiator, the other will come from the Pump. 2 straight compressions will be attached to the pump. 2 straight compressions will be attached to res. The radiator will have 2 90* swivel compression. Will have another Aldersan pic in a bit.

update 2:
Heres the pic. OH, and I donno how to add, but the pad is 17" wide, not 16.5. Somehow adding 2 standard 8.5x11 sheets of paper gave me 16.5x11. lol
http://i42.tinypic.com/1zydj80.jpg

[Outlaw]

Ok, so the overall loop layout won't change hopefully but I will probably use a different but similar block to the CHC-120. Unfortunately it has 1/4" barbs that are not removable. While this would be OK for this build, it doesn't allow for expandability.

Also, I made some progress with my cardboard mock-up and am now seeing just how little room is inside here. Unless I can find an ultra thin 120x2 I will be likely going with:

Magicool Pro Slim Profile (157x120x30mm or 6.3x4.7x1.2inch)
Scythe Slim 120mm (120x120x12mm or 4.7x4.7x.5inch)
Swiftech Micro Res v2 (101x38x76.2mm or 4x3x1.5inch)

another update to follow.

*update*
Block options-
GPU-200 (http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=566)
or
CHC-122 (http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=662)

Ultimately, either choice will raise the cost of the build, but I think the "future proof" makes up for it.


*update*
Just throwing links here so I don't lose them
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3984
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_457_667_200&products_id=3985
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=21112
http://www.swiftech.com/mcr120-qp-stack.aspx

[Outlaw]

Fug may have found my water blocks here- http://www.thebestcasescenario.com/forum/showthread.php?p=349439#post349439 Now to leave work and go measure.

[Outlaw]

ok. got the ok from the accountant to possibly buy something Monday. I measured the CPU mounting and it looks like it may fit.

[Fuganater]

Hope it works out. Awesome price for a CPU block that's brand new.

[Outlaw]

Definitely. It looks like the mounts are 2.5" diag. and about 2" from outer edge of mounting post to outer edge of mounting post. If that is the 2" they are measuring, I would be good there.

The problem I might run into is the short side is only about 1.75" from outer edge to outer edge of mounting post. Amazon had it listed as 2"x2".

[TLHarrell]

When you get the block, if you can post up dimensions I'd much appreciate it. Hole patterns, block interface location, inlet/outlet centers, etc. I'm gonna need some blocks for TRON: Legacy.

[Outlaw]

If I get it. I am having second thoughts with the dimensions. I will definitely post pics though. If i order and can't use, would you buy it from me?


**update**

well, hope i don't fail again.
ORDERED::::
OCZ block
AS5
USB-3.5MM audio jack

[TLHarrell]

Depends if it fits what I need it for. Not sure if it'd work or not, but need real dimensions to verify. Definitely interested in learning more about it due to it's price.

[Outlaw]

NP, I figured that. lol no sense in buying something if it doesn't fit. oh.. wait.. that is what I might be doing. lol Per Amazon tracking, expected eta Mar 2 due to free supersaver shipping. I'll throw a ruler in with some pics for dimensions once I get it.

[Outlaw]

Well i pm'd a guy over at another forum selling one of these- http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swmcqupo2x.html

Since I just registered to pm them, I hope it went through. They require 50 posts before posting in their FS/FT thread.

[Outlaw]

Might have found the vga cooler. Need to double check measurements though.

Thanks to the xspc link i found the cooler, then searched and found it for sale.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14213/ex-blc-976/XSPC_Delta_V3_Chipset_VGA_Water_Block_X20CHIP2.htm l

[Fuganater]

Not bad. Nice price.

[Outlaw]

would be perfect if it lines up. The original ones I was looking at were about 42-50 per block.

[Outlaw]

Hmm.. Might have found a power supply for the entire thing. Would just need to do some voltage dropping for the 12v and less stuff but it is a 19v 9.5A 180 power supply for the alienware laptops.
http://www.getpartsonline.com/0415b19180.html?gclid=CIb51vmGyK4CFcrrKgod-BrR-w

My laptop psu is 19v 4.74a (90W). which hopefully should allow me to run the rest of the equipment off the remaining.

[Outlaw]

Amazon delivered today. I will have updates after doing a few things. Pics to follow. Don't worry. Sleep is not on my list. lol

UPDATES:::
So, the descriptions dimensions is for the block ONLY. 2x2 is the block. BOOOOO. Not even going to take it out of the package. It won't even come close unless i do it on a diagonal and drill into the actual copper block. It MAY be an option. Another 20 down the tubes:(
Anyways, here's some pics.
http://i41.tinypic.com/adztx4.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/2njfwv7.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/oqwvw3.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/vh6tc9.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/x1ng41.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/1y1f2d.jpg

I think the pics are self explanatory. The last one, I tried to get the "lip" of where the block is to make contact with the heat source.

[Fuganater]

Woot woot!

[Outlaw]

No woot woot, no fit :(

[Fuganater]

If they charge you restock fees I'll buy it so your not out of pocket.

[Outlaw]

I wouldn't want you buying it just to buy it though. If you could use it, great. Good news is that the USB to 3.5mm works. lol


Size comparison.
http://i44.tinypic.com/wam160.jpg

Where'd the copper base go?
http://i42.tinypic.com/qreru1.jpg

[Fuganater]

I will be able to eventually lol. I've been buying up WC gear over the past few months when I see good deals.

[Outlaw]

pm'd


UPDATE:::
Looks like Fug bought the block. I pm'd about the radiator. Hopefully I can get that. TL, if you still need other pics, let me know. I'm not shipping it 'til next week.

[TLHarrell]

Looks like you got the measurements I would need. Thank you.

[Outlaw]

Did a little window shopping online. I think I may have found some candidates for parts.

Rad/Res/Pump
TITAN BIANCA TWC-A05
http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll300/35-192-012-03.jpg

Res/Pump
Koolance RP-1000
http://images.overclock.co.uk/product_images/main/rp-1000bk_p0.jpg


Rad
Corsair H70 (Aluminum though)
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Corsair-H70-Radiator-Liquid-Cooling-Radiator-/00/s/OTU2WDE2MDA=/$(KGrHqR,!hQE8jj7e57FBPSm5VEFzg~~60_58.JPG


Pump
Thermaltake 12v DC Pump 3pin 72 L/ Hr. Both the same pump, just in/out moved
http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/pict/330617616387_5.jpg
or
http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/pict/380410112191_3.jpg

[Outlaw]

Found where those mini pumps were from.
http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll300/35-116-017-02.jpg

Think the cooler would be a good idea? This would leave only needing the block for the cpu/chp/gpu.

[Fuganater]

That looks like a nice small pump

[Outlaw]

Think this setup would be good enough for the heat source?

[Fuganater]

I can't see why not. Just make sure the fans get nice fresh air and life should be good.

[Outlaw]

Thats what i'm thinking and by the size of the cooler pad, i don't think that should be an issue. It had decent reviews on the egg.

Might just do that and replace the hose and block.

[Outlaw]

ordered copper ramsinks for the water block.
http://m2.sourcingmap.com/smapimg/en/n/11d/pcs-rhs03-copper-heat-sink-for-ddr-ddr2-ddr3-ram-memory-cooler-167354n.jpg

These will likely need to be cut to a different shape but will be mounted in the block to the copper plate. I will be replacing the sticky pad with AS Adhesive or epoxy.

[Outlaw]

Just wanted to throw a thanks out to TLHarrell for all his help with the acrylic questions I've had so far and hopefully helping me save a bit by picking up the acrylic and shipping to me.

Also, watching a couple AIO coolers. Hopefully soon I will at least have a cooling loop running.

Outlaw

[Fuganater]

Good deal. Can't wait to see this come together.

[Outlaw]

You and me both lol. By the time this is finished, this laptop won't be worth using for anything and our other laptop will be out of warranty and I will have to watercool that one instead, lol

[Outlaw]

Well, I won a cooler.

I should have one of these on their way in the next couple days
http://im4.shopmania.org/files/p/m/456/thermaltake-cl-w0052~1455456.jpg

[Fuganater]

Good deal!

[Outlaw]

yeah. Was able to win it for 18bucks w/o shipping. which isn't bad.

I might try this with the stock block on it to see if it works as hoped. Maybe just be able to through some sinks on the gpu and call it a day. lol

[Outlaw]

YEY!!! Got the cooler today and just opened the box. This thing is actually bigger then the pics lead you to believe. lol

Any one interested for some pics, let me know.

Outlaw

[Fuganater]

:pics:

[Outlaw]

lol, and here I thought Aldersan would do more then lurk and be the one to post that, lol

"I will have an alsersan pic in a bit", lol


**updated**
I got some pics but it seems the cooler is either not new as stated or leaked before shipping (no mess in either box). The pump sounds like an electric razor as well.

I am using the laptop right now at 2.1Ghz with cpu at 49-55c with only copper block and water block. there is no pump/fan running right now over it. I have a copper block with copper ram hs and orginal cpu fan putting the gpu at 53c.

GRRRRR

[Outlaw]

Ok, new day, new update

got some distilled water and topped the res off. BTW- what a PITA. It took me and my wife doing it with a 1/4" hose attached to port and a syringe. She filled the tube with some water and I had to blow it into the res until full....

BUT

After filling the res and turning it on, it made a world of a difference. Typing this now on the laptop its at 45-47c.

Guess what. tapping the case where the pump is kicked out a bunch of air and brought the temp down already to 41-43c. ooooooo 39-40c now!! hey, i think its working now, lol. I can actually feel the hose getting warm now. I'll get some pics in a few min.


**update**
literally only a couple min after click submit to this post, it started to sound like a razor again and shot out a crap load of bubbles. I'll have to get the res topped again. The temp is now down to 20c.

[Fuganater]

I takes between 30 minutes and 1 hour to get all the air bubbles out. But if your tubes are going a weird way it will never get all the bubbles out. Pics would be great and someone might be able to help.

I had that problem yesterday watercooling my folding rig. I had to change where the tubing went and now its great.

[Outlaw]

Here is a screenshot of the cooler working.

idle @ 2.1Ghz today
http://i43.tinypic.com/6h5lxk.jpg

idle @ 800Mhz yesterday
http://i39.tinypic.com/161aihh.jpg


720P video playback @ 2.1Ghz today
http://i40.tinypic.com/miccxs.jpg

720P video playback @ 2.1Ghz yesterday
http://i44.tinypic.com/2hxn8y1.jpg


cooler sitting on laptop for size comparison.
http://i43.tinypic.com/an1vg7.jpg


cooler next to laptop for thickness comparison
http://i44.tinypic.com/b67pqv.jpg

[Fuganater]

I know the issue. This is meant to sit upright not on its side. I had the exact same issue last night with a DD res. I have it on its side with the inlet and outlet on the same side. Air was getting sucked in when it shouldn't have. That slowed down my pump because it sensed the air and got super loud.

[Outlaw]

I don't think that is the issue. It is designed to cool a gpu and mount to a PCI slot. Per other pics and reviews I have seen, the res is suppose to be 99% full. It wasn't even close.
http://i39.tinypic.com/2ih449k.jpg

How it mounts:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Thermaltake/TideWater/images/installation11.jpg


How the laptop is right now.
http://i41.tinypic.com/dcbxub.jpg


**update***
I just checked it after about 45min ish of playback and its still only at 33c!

[Fuganater]

Not being full is a thermaltake problem or do you fill it up? I'll take some pics tomorrow so you see what I mean.

[Outlaw]

It is suppose to come full. So definitely thermaltake issue or person/company who sold it to me. I'll watch for the pic. Thanks

[Outlaw]

small update.

I know, surprise but another delay. I have to wait til this weekend to get my dremel to cut out the bottom of the case. I had started with a hacksaw blade but it quickly became more hassle then it was worth. Especially since I cant turn the blade.

[Fuganater]

Ok... Its kinda hard to tell because I have it filled so much but hopefully you get the idea.

Here the 2 barbs are vertical. 1 on top of the other.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Fuganater987/DSC01580.jpg

Almost no air gets in to the suction line.

Now if I turn it 90 degrees and the barbs are horizontal to each other...
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Fuganater987/DSC01583.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Fuganater987/DSC01586.jpg

My pump slows down because the suction line is getting tons of air into it.

[d_stilgar]

You just need to bleed the air out for many many hours. Run it and try to work the air bubble out to the res. They should mostly get themselves out but can get stuck in low pressure pockets in the loop.

On another note, is the pump for the tidewater on the water block or in the PCI card thing?I'm trying to figure it out and I'm thinking the tidewater might be a good base for a NES PC liquid cooled system.

[Fuganater]

Well the thing I wasn't able to sho is that if I drained out a bunch of water so that just the lower barb would be covered it would be better than if the barbs are side by side and only 1/2 the barb is under water.

Get it?

[Outlaw]

Thanks for the pics and I see what you mean.

The inlet/outlet aren't as close on this res and beside a small bubble at the top now, there shouldn't be any reason for air in the lines anymore (unless it starts to get low and I don't top off).



For the tide water, everything is in the enclosure. There is 2 barbs at the enclosure where the tubes attach that lead to the block. The block can be changed. It is using 1/4" barbs/tubes.

[Outlaw]

Good news / Bad news.

Bad news.
Can't find the dremel.

Good news.
Wife bought me a new one. Will hopefully have the bottom cut out by the end of this weekend. Today if i'm lucky.

[Outlaw]

Update!

Still need to do:
Get psu for pump, external fan, accessories.
Build cooler pad.
Lap the copper blocks.

Some pics.

Possible HDD2 location?
http://i41.tinypic.com/2a91ksg.jpg

GPU Ram sinks
http://i41.tinypic.com/iy2d1d.jpg

Test fitting.
http://i43.tinypic.com/1ze9tw8.jpg

How it sits now underneath.
http://i39.tinypic.com/402uq.jpg

[Outlaw]

update.

Computer store I help out at had a 12v 2.5a psu he said I could have. This should be sufficient to run all the 12v accessories. Yey.. just tested and is currently running the fan/pump with only a .05v flux. With no load, it runs at 12.05v.