View Full Version : Windows 8 - WTF?
TheGreatSatan
10-27-2012, 05:24 PM
What the hell was Microsoft thinking? Windows 8 is the most rediculous OS I've ever seen. Just complete and total crap!
Fuganater
10-27-2012, 06:15 PM
Windows ME all over again?
CrazyTeaPot
10-27-2012, 06:18 PM
An alright OS when considering touch-screen devices. Windows 7 for everything else.
OvRiDe
10-27-2012, 07:13 PM
LOL.. that's what everyone said about XP when it came out as well.. I remember long rants about how XP was crap over Win2000 and Win98.
I don't care if it is the fastest OS in the world. If people see a crappy interface, they'll think the whole thing is utter garbage.
As for the shift from 98 to XP? I was in school when it happened. I barely even noticed.
d_stilgar
10-27-2012, 10:51 PM
LOL.. that's what everyone said about XP when it came out as well.. I remember long rants about how XP was crap over Win2000 and Win98.
I'm with this. It's very different from the past versions, so people aren't going to know what to do. I remember being frustrated trying to find out how to do some of the power user type stuff on XP when I switched from 98. The other thing was XP was a resource hog.
Windows 8 may be very different, but I think overall the experience is not so bad at all once you let yourself get used to it. Now, I'll put the big disclaimer here and say that I haven't used it yet, but I've seen videos of people being confused about different aspects. However, I've also heard a lot of power users saying the tools they use most are easier than ever with Windows 8. Again, I have no first hand experience.
On the other hand, one thing I don't need to use to disagree with is Windows new marketplace strategy. Windows has always been an open platform as far as developing for it. Now MS wants to close the doors on developers. Part of this I know is just a strategy for MS so they can catch up with iOS and Android in terms of phone and tablet capable apps. The other, more irritating part of it, however, is the fact that they see Apple getting 30% of sales of these apps and want their piece of the pie.
Valve is obviously mad about this since they are the largest digital distributor of software in the PC market, but many developers also hate the vetting process to see if their apps "make the cut." This also cuts websites like Download.com out of the loop, who have typically made their money through adds on pages where reviewed software was discussed.
So I have mixed feelings about Win8. I'm not against the metro interface and believe that a unified user experience across multiple devices is a good idea. Heck, most touch based programs are just another iteration of mouse interface anyway. "Touch here" is the same as "click here." I've only played one game that truly made sense as a touch game. Most of the others would have been better with a keyboard and mouse. But what I really don't love is the marketplace strategy they are taking, and yet I think it's an issue most people are ignoring.
jdbnsn
10-28-2012, 01:50 AM
Real men use D.O.S.
^Yeah! command line all the way!
f8l_0e
10-28-2012, 05:55 AM
^Yeah! command line all the way!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_PowerShell
Powershell. When you are absolutely forced to use Windows, accept no substitutes.
f8l_0e
10-28-2012, 05:57 AM
Real men use D.O.S.
Yeah, cause I love having to work with a segmented memory model. :facepalm:
Beta-brain
10-28-2012, 08:33 AM
Heck, most touch based programs are just another iteration of mouse interface anyway. "Touch here" is the same as "click here." I've only played one game that truly made sense as a touch game. Most of the others would have been better with a keyboard and mouse. But what I really don't love is the marketplace strategy they are taking, and yet I think it's an issue most people are ignoring.
I agree totally with this as I just can't imagine using a touch screen to play most games on, some simple games yes but complicated games that require moving and shooting/selecting weapons/reloading all done in very quick succession, I can't see it and personally can't see a time when I will need it unless future games are only playable by using this interface :(
Also what about the health issues when using a touch screen, in a work environment such as at a check out sitting close to a small screen with big icons which does not require any degree of accuracy might not be too stressful on the body but consider using a big monitor and your body posture.
Your monitor should be about arm's length away when you're sitting back in your chair. (Sitting too close or too far from your screen can cause eyestrain). If you have a large monitor - 20" or larger - you should sit slightly further back, so how can you comfortably touch the screen :?
If you are constantly leaning forward to touch the screen you are straining the lower back muscles and other parts of the body unnecessarily.
Touch screens have their place on smaller mobile screens, tablets. phones, etc but for big monitors used for prolonged lengths of time it seems pointless, no pun intended :whistler:
Drum Thumper
10-28-2012, 10:02 AM
I think this pic says everything we need to know:
http://i.imgur.com/d1Rd8.jpg
d_stilgar
10-28-2012, 06:58 PM
I agree totally with this as I just can't imagine using a touch screen to play most games on, some simple games yes but complicated games that require moving and shooting/selecting weapons/reloading all done in very quick succession, I can't see it and personally can't see a time when I will need it unless future games are only playable by using this interface :(
Yeah, there is only one game, application, or anything that has even remotely thought about the touch screen as its own thing and not a copy cat of the mouse.
It's called CrossFingers. You use your fingers (and you have to use two or more at many times) to move blocks around a board and get them into a specific place. It's a puzzle game, but there is also some skill involved where you often have to get "spring-loaded" or "weighted" blocks into a certain position all at once, but will move back to where they were before once you let go.
Other than that, most all games and applications would be better with a mouse and keyboard. I'll be playing a shooting game thinking, "the only thing that is difficult about this game is the user interface." The same thing goes for typing. The iphone touchscreen keyboard is a nightmare. There are so many times that I'll reach for the space bar with my right thumb, but somehow hit the return key. Three attempts at correction and I still do it.
Same for clicking (oops I mean touching) links. All touch functions would be better with a mouse.
TheGreatSatan
10-29-2012, 12:42 AM
I played with a Windows 8 PC for about ten mintes and cannot find where they put the Windows score! I've been using PC's for years. I loved XP and Vista. Windows 7 has easily been the best yet and it really aggrevates me that they changed it to this "tile" garbage. Sure, it will look just right on a cell phone or tablet, but not on a desktop
^Yes! "learning curve" blah blah. It took a bit of learning to go from 98 to XP, and XP to Vista/7, but that was where they changed the settings locations. Fundamentally, it was the same ecosystem. Heck,xI went from Windows 98 to Gnome Ubuntu 9.04. Barely any learning curve; heck, I was customizing right away.
Then, after the Unity incident, I quickly found KDE, and even more quickly fell in love with it.
Gnome to Unity? Unity looks like a hybrid tablet-desktop interface, little customization.
7 to 8? "Modern-Metro-whatever-they're-calling-it" looks like a hybrid tablet-desktop interface that is failing harder than Unity is!
Seriosly, if I ever have to get Win8, http://windows.kde.org. Seriously, all it needs is a working non-alt-tab task switcher, and it's pretty much launch time. I don't know if its,widgets are working, but feel free to drop it into a VM.
Snowman
10-29-2012, 09:37 AM
I like it personally, but I have only installed it on my netbook. It runs quicker than 7 does, and is very conducive to a netbook. Not sure how well it translates to a desktop but I like it enough I have thought about actually buying this operating system. It would make my first os purchase ever. Different people with different tastes are bound to like different things. As far as windows score, why not just get a benchmarking software to get a true score and know where your faults lie instead of relying on windows score. I have had it come back and be different and not changed a single thing before.
TheGreatSatan
10-31-2012, 08:34 AM
I was thinking of getting Microsoft's Surface, but then I saw the price! Higher than the iPad!!
Fuganater
10-31-2012, 09:03 AM
I was thinking of getting Microsoft's Surface, but then I saw the price! Higher than the iPad!!
No? Surface is cheaper by $100 for the same amount of space.
16GB iPad (http://store.apple.com/us/buy/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad)= $499
32GB iPad (http://store.apple.com/us/buy/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad) = $599
32GB Surface (http://surface.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/Content/pbpage.Surface?ESICaching=off&WT.mc_id=FY13WinHH) = $499
CrazyTeaPot
10-31-2012, 02:57 PM
Probably looking at the iPad Mini?
The Surface has a slightly bigger screen, too. Though I'm not sure about the quality (PPI).
d_stilgar
10-31-2012, 04:10 PM
Screen resolution of surface is pretty low at 1366x768. I still really like the Metro interface though.
luciusad2004
10-31-2012, 08:26 PM
Mouse and keyboard isn't bad, I could even say it's almost good. It looks like it would be really good on a tablet but I haven't had a chance to try that out as I don't own any tablet hardware. I would say the place were windows 8 fails the most is on older laptops. It's painful to use with a track pad because it sucks having to mouse around so much.
The only other major complain i have is that the two different interfaces have a very different look and feel. It's jarring when it flips back and fourth.
When it comes down to it though, I can still do everything i did in windows 7. I just have a full screen start menu. If i use windows key and then just start typing what i want to run it's just as efficient. Metro Apps aren't that great on a traditional computer but i wouldn't be upset having them on something like the Surface or a convertible tablet.
One thing I'd like to mention. KDE, I've found is a great desktop interface, albeit the default color scheme is a bit bleak. However, I've also found that, with a little tweaking, it's a great tablet interface. One reason I'm picking it over Unity on my Thrive.
Don't get me wrong, I'd happily use Windows 7. Given the choice, however, I'd much prefer Linux. I just think that Win8 is going to flop because their older-and-trusted apps won't be ported to Metro interface, and people will complain when they see the desktop on Surface, then complain when their apps don't run (or run well, if MS releases a compatibility layer).
OvRiDe
10-31-2012, 11:00 PM
I think you are confusing Windows RT and Windows 8. Windows 8 will run anything that Windows 7 will run. Its only the ARM based RT version that need to be specifically written for RT. Windows 8 might not have a Start button but it still has a Start screen which includes an application list that you launch your desktop applications from.
I don't really get all the complaints about RT not running all Windows x86 apps. The Ipad won't run Mac OSX programs, and Android won't run regular linux apps, why do people expect that RT should run regular Windows programs?
Kayin
10-31-2012, 11:06 PM
Because Windows still functions on a lowest common denominator factor.
Still on Win7, if it could do hybrid graphics right I'd be on Linux only in a heartbeat.
OvRiDe
11-01-2012, 12:26 AM
Because Windows still functions on a lowest common denominator factor.
Technically I think it would be the MOST common denominator. :D
I don't really get all the complaints about RT not running all Windows x86 apps. The Ipad won't run Mac OSX programs, and Android won't run regular linux apps, why do people expect that RT should run regular Windows programs?
"Because it's WINDOWS. It just WORKS!".
Yeah..... Try running a 16-bit app on your Win7-64 install, without additional software (VM or DosBox).
Although, technically, you can still run desktop Linux apps on an Android device; you just are limited to command line options (unless you can shut down Davlik and start up X)
Fuganater
11-01-2012, 06:33 AM
"Because it's WINDOWS. It just WORKS!".
Yeah..... Try running a 16-bit app on your Win7-64 install, without additional software (VM or DosBox).
Although, technically, you can still run desktop Linux apps on an Android device; you just are limited to command line options (unless you can shut down Davlik and start up X)
They make 16-bit apps?
f8l_0e
11-01-2012, 11:41 AM
Because Windows still functions on a lowest common denominator factor.
Still on Win7, if it could do hybrid graphics right I'd be on Linux only in a heartbeat.
Are we talking nVIDIA optimus or another hybrid graphics setup? For optimus, Bumblee (http://bumblebee-project.org/) is supposedly up to snuff now.
They make 16-bit apps?
No, what I meant was trying to run an older 16-bit app on a 64-bit install.:)
Sure, it x86, but it's a discontinued technology.
OvRiDe
11-09-2012, 06:57 PM
Well I knew it wouldn't take long for those that dislike the whole start screen.
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/
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xr4man
11-10-2012, 10:00 AM
there was already a script put out a few days after the developer's preview came out that disabled metro.
OvRiDe
11-10-2012, 03:30 PM
It's true, but only worked for the developers preview. All the code that made it possible was removed when they released the RTM and Retail versions.
Windows 8: So bad, even the hardware is faulty!
(read: the keyboard/cover seal is ripping under normal use.)
OvRiDe
11-11-2012, 03:53 PM
Windows 8: So bad, even the hardware is faulty!
(read: the keyboard/cover seal is ripping under normal use.)
Sigh...
AGAIN.. Surface and Windows 8 are NOT the same thing. Windows 8 is NOT offered on the Surface tablet as of yet.
I know. Just couldn't resist a joke.
A poorly-executed one at that.
xr4man
11-12-2012, 10:08 AM
It's true, but only worked for the developers preview. All the code that made it possible was removed when they released the RTM and Retail versions.
well f*ck me in the goat a$$!!!!!!
OvRiDe
11-12-2012, 06:14 PM
well f*ck me in the goat a$$!!!!!!
LOL.. I know, right!!!
I guess when that was discovered, is when the major complaining about the start screen emerged. I think everyone was previously thinking that they would just turn off the stuff they don't care for. Personally I think they should have left it in, but I have a feeling it had to do with getting developers to concentrate on writing new apps that take advantage of the "metro" interface. Kind of like when they released XP 64-bit but no manufacturers were releasing 64 bit drivers. Then MS released Vista and it pretty much forced manufacturer's and developers to actually release 64 bit drivers and programs. So when Windows 7 came out, it hit the floor running.
My biggest problem with the Metro interface is I haven't been able to figure out how to run multiple apps at the same time. As a learning developer, you often need to have a terminal and Web browser open at the same time. Browser for chatting/grabbing code, terminal for typing in the code.
Yes, I can type in short snippets of code in faster than copying and pasting.
TLHarrell
11-12-2012, 09:25 PM
You are not allowed to multitask on Windows 8. Your desktop is now a $1500 tablet with a power cord. Get over it.
/sarcasm
You are not allowed to multitask on Windows 8. Your desktop is now a $1500 tablet with a power cord. Get over it.
/sarcasm
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834158485
Well, $1600, but CloseEnough.
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