fan help

[rusty shackleford]

i have a 80mm fan mount in the back of my computer and a 40mm grill in the front but theres some problems ive run into
first the 80mm the mount is in the back where air is not very easy to flow to since its 5 inches from a wall and just below my psu which is kicking out hot air what should i do? would the fan even make a difference?
now the 40mm the grill is 40mm in height and 120mm in width i know its a mount because its got a place for mounts and they wouldnt just put a grill there for fun but the mounts are 40mm apart vertically but 95mm apart laterally? is it an actual fan mount? if so what kind of fan?

i ask this because my system is running hot and its old 40gb hdd and a 1.3ghz proc with a 100mhz fsb its been freezing up alot lately when i run the processor continuously at 100% and never comes back so i have to restart will the fans help? and one more question i know youll think im stupid but what exactly is overclocking and how do you get a processor to over clock because i think intel put a governor of some sorts on my celeron. and currently one more tidbit i have no fans in my case except dor the heatsink on the northbridge and the heatsink and fan on my proc

[DaveW]

Installing a fan's an easy mod to make-if you don't think your comp has the mounts for it, then all you need to do is drill a couple a' holes and your sorted.

-Dave

[silverdemon]

about the overclocking thing, I've found a link to a website/forum on which it is all explained...
you'll find it here (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=263753)

hope that explaines it for you, it sure helped me understand a bit more about overclocking ;)

[Nagoshi]

5 inch on the back of your comp is more than enough. Ive got less than 3 inches in the back of my comp and no heat problems.

A thing you should know : Fresh air comes in the front of the case and get blown away in the back. Your back fan should be blowing outside your case so all the hot air that accumulates in your case go away. The PSU fan blowing hot there has nothing to do, its perfecly normal. Also try to mount a fan on the front of your case, even if the opening is not square or round as your fan, you know that a hole is a hole anyway, and will let air thru it no matter what.

Try to clean the inside of your case, take out these heatsinks and clean them to make sure dust is not blocking the air from refreshing the heatsink. Try to manage your cables so they dont get in the way of the air, and have the idea that you are trying to make a ''wind tunnel'' that will go from the front of the case to the back. Keep at least one ''tunnel'' clean from any cables so that the air can flow normally.

Hope Ive helped :)

[rusty shackleford]

thank you for all the help i cant drill holes my dads kinda wierd about this computer the only good thing is the internet connection almost 1mb/s and the cable copany advertises up to 15mb/s and we have a weak connection and an 8 year old modem btu tis still good but a 1.3ghz celeron with a 100mhz fsb and 384mb of ram and the board will only hold 512mb and i guess then overclocking is just going into the bios and playin around and rasing speeds but i need to do alot of homework before that so if my psu and a 34+cfm fan are kickin out the back the air from th proc fan will be pulled out in a sort of vaccum? but yea thanks guys

[rusty shackleford]

1 more question and ill get out of your hair until i run into a baffling situation again does anyone know of a link to turning a regular mouse into a wireless one that still works and a link to putting an led into a mouse that doesnt already have one because i have a old spare compaq one layin around although i perfer the trackball i now use i was gonna wor on it since i opened it yesterday and im pretty sure most everyone here has had a mouse befora that bottomed out and i doubt that new ones do it but i recycle everything i tryed to make a fan out of and old pretzel jar (plastic) and a rc car motor it might work i dont know yet but yea i wann paint it stiffen up the button and fix the lowrider problem whil making it wireless and put an led or 2 in it

[Nagoshi]

Please watch your grammar, it's pretty hard to read you.

You wont be able to turn a normal mouse into a wireless one unless youve got a pretty good amount of cash and time to use. You could just buy one brand new, there are some good ones at $20. And I didnt understood your led-in-a-mouse thing. Could you re-explain it please?

And you dont really need to drill new holes in your case, if you just go buy a new fan there surely will be some holes already made in your case so that you can use 4 bolts and screw it there. OR if you dont have holes made for fans, you will probably have 4 square holes made for a fan socket, if you can find one you will be able to put a fan there. OR you can just tape it there and try not to restrain the air flow with the tape :)

[rusty shackleford]

Yes I am sorry about my grammar, i'm quite young and just got out of school for the summer. My english grammar and spelling are quite good even though i'm young for my grade. Yes I know when writing formal pieces conjunctions aren't preferred. I don't need holes though someone told me to drills holes. I only have 5 possible places for fans.
-1 open pci slot and 1 open agp slot
I just don't like to use full typed words and proper grammar, I guess i'm lazy. Yes though, how people change the led in there mouse to have a unique color. I want to put an LED or 2 in my old mouse. Also if I got a new mouse i'd have to get a wireless trackball which are running way past $20. I have money but im saving it to build a computer, currently with the money my mother owes me, I have $600 but only have $370 of it in my posession. I just need to know how to make it wireless. Do I wire up a diode, like in a tv remote? I have a soldering iron and solder and a somewhat good soldering skill, so thats not a problem. It doesnt have a source of power yet so that kills the chance of me frying the board as I did on 4 of my rc cars. The FET's couldnt mesh with a voltage as high as I was running but it was trial and error.

[rusty shackleford]

I just had a burst of knowledge, what if I built a plexi glass duct to fresh air that hooked up to the 80mm fan in the back with some pvc pipe. Also rather than leaving the end of the duct open mounting the biggest fan possible on the end hopefully reducing noise leve and help cooling alot. Would that work? I could build the ducting by monday.

[jestyyr]

a few things,
to make a mouse wireless you would actually require knowledge of how to build a complete pair of wireless circuits (one for mouse end one for receiver which is sooo far beyond me its funny)
whilst you are inside the pc next time, check its capacitors (see if they are bulging or burst), specifically those around the cpu, that could also cause some instability. (seems to have been pretty common on mainboards of that era).
just remember with fans, its throughput is decreased pulling air through a pipe but not pushing air into a pipe. (meaning a duct from outside leading to a fan may decrease its effectiveness, whereas a fan on the case pushing air from outside into a duct might help).

[rusty shackleford]

i checked the capacitiors last time i had it open yesterday. theyre fina perfectly cylindrical and the computer itself is only 5 years old, not even that. ok thats fine then. does this seem like a too good to be true kinda thing?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16837102065
and will microsoft let you register an oem copy? if so i think i might be able to build my computer in less than 2 months. minus shipping and tax do you believe its possible to build a good computer for just under $770? has anyone overclocked and intel p4 520J 2.8ghz clock speed 800mhz fsb? if so what if you know did the find the max speed while retaining stability? i found one new for just a little bit more than $100

[CanaBalistic]

Here's a thread that will get you a bare bones that overclocks extremly well (around $170 for cpu & mobo)

http://www.thebestcasescenario.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2790


If i were you, i'd give up on the wireless mouse. They're not all there cracked up to be. Batteries cost a fortune. They have a slight delay that slightly affects any games played.

[Nagoshi]

Cana, seems like its been a while since you last used a Wireless mouse (or you used an old one). Ive got one, and let me tell you, technology has advanced, and my Logitech Cordless Click! Plus Optical got pratically no delay and does not suck batteries at all. I use 2 rechargeables NiMH AA batteries in it and I recharges them not even each month. Note tho that I remove the batteries each time I dont use it, and I only use it in games or apps that require precision.

I dont recommend you to try to build a wireless mouse, first of all you would need a wireless transmettor and a wireless receiver that will fit your transmettor. Second you will need an USB wireless receiver, which pratically kills your project. You cant use Infrared for a wireless mouse, unless you wanna be facing a lil optical eye each time you wanna play a game just like when zapping your TV. Third you would need drivers for that. Fourth you will need to ''play'' into your mouse circuitry so taht you can hook up your wireless transmettor, which will be kinda dangerous for your mouse. Fifth you will need a battery location for your wireless mouse ^^; And trust me, you can't place 2 AA batteries in any mouse.

Basically the whole process would cost you more than a wireless mouse, lots of plastic, LOTS of time, and youd be better buying one.

Il get you back on that fan thing, I must go right now ^_^;

[crenn]

Currently, Windows XP 64-Bit, isn't really worth the trouble it can give you.

As for hardware, it's possible to build a decent PC on a variety of budgets, I'm guessing you're from USA since you linked to new egg.

Here is a rough design for a PC that should be decent enough (Beware, it's an AMD system, not an Intel one, but if requested, I can design an Intel one for you):

Motherboard
Asus A8N-VM CSM $78.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131570

CPU
AMD Athlon 64 3800+ $147.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103531

RAM
Corsair ValueSelect 1GB (2x 512MB) $81.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145440

HDD
Seagate 80GB 7200.9 (SATA) $48.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148107

Case/PSU
Antec NSK3300 Black/Silver $85.99 (Includes a 300W PSU, enough to get you going)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129016

DVD Burner
Pioneer 111D (Black) $35.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827129001

Operating System
Windows XP Home w/ SP2 (OEM) $87.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16837102059

Total Cost $567.93 (Doesn't include P&P)

That should get you up and running. And if you're wondering why there isn't a graphics card there, it's because there is a built in one on the motherboard, sure it's not top of the line, but it will get you up and running until you need a better one.

Hope that helps.

[rusty shackleford]

i know about the decent pc thing and the 64bit is good for me they have it cheap but since its an oem copy could i still register it with microsoft hers my buildup so far minus tax and shipping ocming in just under $770

Intel Pentium 4 520J 2.8GHz 800MHz 1MB Socket 775 CPU $91.50
COOLER MASTER CB5-NPFSA-02-GP 92mm Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink - Retail $24.99
Intel BOXD945GNTLKR Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 945G ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $118.99
OCZ EL Dual Channel 1024MB PC5400 DDR2 667MHz Gold Memory (2 x 512MB) $79.99
ULTRA PRODUCTS Aluminum Mid Tower Case $94.58
Maxtor DiamondMax 10 250GB 7200rpm 16MB cache SATA-300 RoHS OEM Hard Drive $84.99
Coolmax 400Watt ATX Power Supply with 120mm Fan $24.99
NEC ND3550A 16x8x16x DVD+RW, 16x6x16x DVD-RW, 8x DVD+R DL, 6x DVD-R DL, 48x32x48x CD-RW, Black, Dual Layer, Retail Box DVD Burner with Software $29.99
Adesso RF Wireless Key board Optical Mouse Combo $21.99
1.44MB Floppy Disk Drive (Black) $7.95
Microsoft Windows XP Professional X64 Edition Single Pack - OEM $134.95
Sunbeam SP-SI 20-in-1 Super Panel, Silver - Retail $25.99
2 SUNON KD1212PTB1-6A 120mm 2 Ball Case Cooling Fan - OEM $17.98
PC Case Exhaust Fan/Video Card Cooler Fan $8.99


all for $767.87+tax+shipping

[crenn]

If you really must have Windows 64-bit. Make sure the components you are getting have drivers for Windows 64-bit. There is a difference. I recommend you talk to someone to help you.

EDIT:

Note: I'm not trying to say you should get Windows 64-bit, I'm just giving a word of caution. I've seen a few setups where parts were incompatible and the user had to buy a normal version of windows.

[rusty shackleford]

ok then ill go 32-bit but by the time i have all the money the 64bit drivers will prolly be out already or should i start buying the pieces now and keep on until i have a computer or should i save money on shipping and just make one large order? does anyone know of a link to a good guide on how to build a plexi case cause that could save me nearly $100 that and since its a oem copy of it will microsoft let me register it so i can get updates? sorry if i already asked

[crenn]

OEM means that you just bought it with parts to build a system. Microsoft will allow you to register your copy of Windows XP OEM to allow you to get updates. I'd recommend waiting until you can buy the entire system in one large order, because then there is the possibility of getting better parts for the same or similar price. As for the plexi case, I'll leave that to case modders, as I don't know of any guides, but I do know the 'theory' behind it.

One last thing, please consider the system I 'designed' as it has a few more advantages over the Intel system. The CPU clock may be slower, but the performance is a lot different compared to the Intel system. If you have AIM or MSN, say so and I'll talk to you directly.

[Nagoshi]

OEM only means you get the Windows disk and a CDKey sticker that you can stick on your case. Like my video card which is an OEM, it only came with the video card in a static-proof bag and the driver disk.

I dont recommend at all the 64-bit version, as it does not have all the drivers released yet, and probly wont be out for your new hardware when you will get your comp.

I dont recommend Vista either since its only a beta version and you need ''Vista-ready'' parts so that Vista recognise your comp.

Just stick with Windows XP Profesionnal, its way better than 64bit and Vista, no headache for drivers and troubles.

And unless youve got all the tools and plexi for your case (or have the cash to buy the plexi) and the time to build it, Id recommend you to buy a pre-made Plexi case. Drilling all the holes and cutting the right measurements of plastics can be really handy, and we dont talk about the price of all the equipment you will want on your case (such as buttons which are essential, LEDs for power and HDD, USB ports and headphone/micro jacks). Personally youd be better with a pre-made plexi case, seems like youre kinda young and getting such a case could be painful if you want to build it. Especially, Plexi is hard to deal with, since if you cut the parts too fast the plexi will heat up and ''melt'' which will result in scrap edges. And trust me, I scraped the edges of my acrylic window when I made my Stroboscope at school, it doesnt take much to melt.

[rusty shackleford]

yes crenn i do have aim its irideharobikes99 if you can cause my firend knows the hardware stuff and im just beginning to skim the details of the complete and total file system i probally wont get 64 bit then but rather an intel processor that will support 64bit so if in the future i find the need i can get 64bit and that processor is no longer in stock where i found it at so i got to find another one probally a 2mb l2 cache 3.0ghz 800mhz fsb from new egg and if plexi does melt that easily then neverming but what about lexan thats basically bulletproof

[crenn]

Ok, here is another design:

Base:
Case/PSU
Antec LifeStyle SONATA II, Piano Black (Includes a 450W SmatPower 2.0 PSU, also includes a 120mm case fan) $104.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129155
HDD
Seagate 250GB 8MB Cache 7200.10 (SATAII) $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148142
DVD Burner
Pioneer 111D (Black) $35.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827129001
Operating System
Windows XP Pro w/ SP2 OEM $137.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16837102062
Additional
Sunbeam Front Panel $25.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811998811
Logitech Cordless DesktopS 510 $57.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16823126180

AMD System (Skt939)
Motherboard
Asus A8N-VM CSM $78.99 (Has on board GeForce 6150)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131570
CPU
AMD Athlon 64 3800+ $147.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103531
RAM
Crucial Technology Ballistix 1GB (2 x 512MB) $95.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820148007

AMD System (Skt AM2)
CPU
AMD Athlon64 3800+ $145.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103631
Motherboard
Asus M2NPV-VM (Has on board GeForce 6150) $84.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131014
RAM
OCZ Gold 1GB (2 x 512MB) DDR2-800 $112.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227126

Intel System (Skt 775)
CPU
Intel Pentium 4 511 Prescott 533MHz FSB 1MB L2 Cache $105.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116013
Motherboard
Asus P5LD2-VM $108.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131545
RAM
OCZ Gold 1GB (2 x 512MB) DDR2-800 $112.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227126

AMD (Skt 939) System $765.91
AMD (Skt AM2) System $786.91 (Is new technology, hence the slightly higher price)
Intel (Skt 775) System $770.91

This is the best I could come up with, it will do what you want it to do, and it will have decent cooling already. And all systems allow you to upgrade later on if needed.

[rusty shackleford]

i got a build thats intel more stuff just under $800 and since im going to use a tv rather than a monitor more than likely i have a video card with tv out but very much like yours ill list changes and cheaper prices

Hard Drive
Maxtor DiamondMax 10 6V250F0 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $79.99 item (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144013)

DVD/CD Burner/Player
NEC ND3550A 16x8x16x DVD+RW, 16x6x16x DVD-RW, 8x DVD+R DL, 6x DVD-R DL, 48x32x48x CD-RW, Black, Dual Layer, Retail Box DVD Burner with Software $29.99 item (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1649374&CatId=0)

Floppy Drive
1.44MB Floppy Disk Drive (Black) $7.95 item (http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BLK-SED-321B&cat=RDM)

Fan
SUNON KD1212PTB1-6A 120mm 2 Ball Case Cooling Fan - OEM $8.99 item (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811999029)

Graphics Card
Radeon X550 128MB 16x PCI Express Video Card w/TV-Out, DVI $48.50 item (http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HM550L-C3H&cat=VCD)

Fan
Link Depot Corp. FAN-9025-S 92mm Sleeve Case Cooling Fan - Retail $2.99 item (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835104013)

Exhaust (PCI)
AOC FC-2002-B Ball Bearing System Blowers - Retail $9.99 item (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835117010)

Keyboard and Mouse
Adesso RF Wireless Key board Optical Mouse Combo $21.99 item (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1530752&CatId=0)

Processor
Intel Pentium 4 630 Prescott 800MHz FSB 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 EM64T Processor - OEM $146.61 item (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116198R)

Memory
pqi 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) System Memory - Retail $64.99 item (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820141187)


racking up at $799.95+tax+shipping ill have $600 of it tomorrow and then ill prolly be able to bum money from my mom and 2 month max ill have $720 so i think shell lend me $80 and pick up tax and shipping

[RenovoCS]

Ok I was reading through everything and do you have someone else kinda helping you along on some of this stuff or are you just kinda finding what looks cool? Before your last post I was going to suggest checking out tigerdirect.com, with their rebates you get some really good deals

[crenn]

Final Design:
Base:
Case/PSU
Antec LifeStyle SONATA II, Piano Black (Includes a 450W SmartPower 2.0 PSU, also includes a 120mm case fan) $104.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129155
HDD
Maxtor DiamondMax 10 6V250F0 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144013
DVD Burner
Pioneer 111D (Black) $35.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827129001
Operating System
Windows XP Pro w/ SP2 OEM $137.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16837102062
Additional
Sunbeam Front Panel $25.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811998811
Keyboard/Mouse
Logitech Cordless DesktopS 510 $57.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16823126180
Floppy Drive
1.44MB Floppy Disk Drive (Black) $7.95
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BLK-SED-321B&cat=RDM
Motherboard
Asus P5LD2-VM $108.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131545
CPU
Intel Pentium 4 630 $146.61
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116198R
RAM
pqi 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) System Memory $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820141187
Gfx Card
Radeon X550 128MB 16x PCI Express Video Card w/TV-Out, DVI $48.50
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HM550L-C3H&cat=VCD

Total Price$819.98 (Not including P&P)

If you drop the Sunbeam Front Panel, it will be under $800

Price with Sunbeam $793.99

[simon275]

The sunbeam front panel is kinda pointless unless he really wants all that stuff. Also xp home is cheaper I never saw any point in getting XP pro unless you really want to tool around and do remote desktop connection. It's only $87.99 ($88 )

The extra $76 could be spent on a better graphics card or maybe just leave it the way it is and save $76

[rusty shackleford]

i work with windows the file system and most things of that nature primarily and the extra tools xp pro has to offer are a benefit to me

[Nagoshi]

Okay two more things... No, three more.

First, if you really intend to go with Intel, the best overclocking processor you could buy is the Pentium D 805 (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=1834188&sku=CP1-PD-805%20C) which is basically rated at 133FSB*20 for a 2.66GHz base speed. You can overclock it to more than 4GHz with lots of work.

With the stock cooling you can get it to 166MHz FSB = 3.33GHz on stock voltage. For better stability, increase the memory frequency to the maximum which should be DDR-533. Getting from 133FSB to 166FSB will unlock new memory frequencies which you will be able to use to increase system stability. The temps will be a little hot, so I could recommend you a new CPU heatsink (if you can get the best Zalman around it would be just fine). After that you can get that beauty to 3.60GHz (180FSB) always on the stock voltage. And since the FSB will be upped, your memory will work faster which will result into a nice general performance gain. If you wanna go to 4GHz, if you are using the best Zalman heatsink then the temps will play around 70C while loaded so I strongly recommend you a Watercooling setup. No need for a mroe than $200 setup, something really basic can do it (I believe Thermaltake has one really cheap). Up the voltage to 1.5625V in the bios and you push the FSB to 200MHz! 20multi*200MHz FSB = 4GHz :)

The best boards around for this processors are :
Asus P5WD2-E Premium
Asus P5WD2-WS Premium
Asus P5WD2 Premium
Gigabyte G1975X Turbo
Gigabyte 8I955X Royal

Note that you will need a PSU of AT LEAST 500W since the CPU will take around 150W by itself at 4GHz.

Complete guide : http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_41_ghz_cores/

Second, I really dont recommend using your computer on a TV. The quality just sucks. I still recommend you having one computer screen hooked up all the time, i ncase you have problems with your TV display.

Third, note that Lexan, plexi, acrylic, etc, are all the same kind of plastic. Lexan is not basically bulletproof, whoever told you that is wrong. Lexan tend to heat and can bend at very high temps, and I still recommend you to buy a plexi case. It seems like you're young and have no experience in cutting palstic and plexi, it would be more dangerous and worthless than buying one.

[rusty shackleford]

ok nagoshi i dont have the money to do that my family has an old old from before 2000 15" crt monitor that i can use just in case or get one from my friend for cheap or if my dad decides to get a new computer this one second im not going to overclock a processor like that because i dont have $200 for water cooling so im going 3.0Ghz and maybe overclocking that eventually aalso i can afford a $200 board and i dont need a 500W psu since im not going to overclock to 4.1Ghz lastly i have plenty experience workin with metal and plastic al you guys or most have the necessity of a dremely or some sort of cutting tool ive done plenty work with both metal and plexi and i did it old school and long amounts of sweat and blood and maybe not pc case thick lexan but at higher thicknesses it is basically bulletproof i already chose a good case ive got my $610 will have to save longer about 2 months so im gunna have done plenty of homework and will know my stuff and most of my computer knowledge has been gained in the past month and ive been absorbing it like a sponge and the building part im like mcgyver i made a fan out of a bottle cap a 9V a rc engine and a pretzel jar and a rocket out of pen parts im adhd so im always thinking if im gunna mod or build something i need no help outside of the computer parts like psu mobo and proc ok but i wanted to ask some people who knew what they were talking about on reccomendations since im on a budget

[Nagoshi]

Okie but dont tell I will have told you.

I still recommend having at least 500W of power for your computer, even if youre not going to overclock it all the way up, if you plan on having leds, cathodes, and accessories... just think that by itself the D805 processor, when not overclocked, takes 85W of power. Plus your mobo, HDDs, CD drives, and everything else that will be in it, you woull get up easily at 400+ watts. And dont think about getting a cheap no-brand PSU, unless you wanna buy a new computer in a year. Go with a brand, such as Thermaltake, Antec or many more computer brands, sparkle, enermax, etc.

You will have to waste quite a huge amount of time in that plexi/lexan case if you really want to build it, you will need to drill all the measurements for your board screw holes, your PCI slots, the PSU hole, the drives cage (dont think for your current comp, youll need at least 3 5.25'' bays and 3 3.5'' bays, and this is a bare minimum), all the holes for your buttons, leds, fans, etc, this is going to be alot of work. Its okay if you want to spend all your summer on that case instead of working, its not my trouble.

And you can overclock the D805 processor to 3.33GHz on the stock heatsink. Its going to run a bit hot, but if you have a good cooling in your case (front and rear fans) its going to be just fine. Note that the D805 is a dual-core, and dual cores are 64-bit.

[crenn]

Nagoshi, I helped him with this computer, you can be sure it will run. If you read the final design, it has an Antec Sonata II, with a 450W Antec SmartPower. I think that should be enough for him, including him overclocking.

Also, his budget doesn't allow for a D805.

[Nagoshi]

Bah, the D805 is only $160 US. I found it pretty cheap for what it can do.

[rusty shackleford]

Base:
Case/PSU
Antec LifeStyle SONATA II, Piano Black (Includes a 450W SmartPower 2.0 PSU, also includes a 120mm case fan) $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129155
$18.59 3-day shipping
HDD
Maxtor DiamondMax 10 6V250F0 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822144013
$5.46 3-day shipping
DVD Burner
SAMSUNG Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 5X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache ATA/ATAPI DVD Burner With LightScribe - OEM $34.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827151118
$5.46 3-day shipping
Operating System
Windows XP Pro w/ SP2 OEM $137.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16837102062
$4.99 3-day shipping
Keyboard/Mouse
Microsoft N90-00076 2-Tone 102 Normal Keys 17 Function Keys USB RF Wireless Standard Keyboard Mouse Included - OEM $36.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16823109147
$7.70 3-day shipping
Floppy Drive
NEC Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Model FD1231H-302 - OEM $6.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16821152005
$5.46 3-day shipping
Motherboard
Asus P5LD2-VM $106.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131545
$6.67 3-day shipping
CPU
Intel Pentium 4 630 Prescott 800MHz FSB 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 EM64T Processor - Retail $158.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116198
$5.46 3-day shipping
RAM
pqi 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) System Memory $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820141187
$4.99 3-day shipping
Gfx Card
GIGABYTE GV-RX13128D-RH Radeon X1300 128MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 Screen Cooling Video Card - Retail $54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125027
$5.46 3-day shipping

Total Price$793.90(Not including P&P)

that will probally end up being the final build unless i buy my friends crt which then i wont get the graphics card
do you think i should buy it in pieces or as a one? cause i have $610 now and i might be able to bum some money from my mom and my birthdays not til halfway through september but ill get about $200 then and $120 before then but what is newegg's preferred member system because on orders over $500 preferred members get 6 months to pay and in six months id be able to pay