paint job question

[erorrijus]

hi,
I'm just starting in this mod world,preparing to do my first case but now when I have idea and know what I want there is slight confusion ( as always..)
Here is the effect that I wanna come with as result:
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/5277/motorizedairlockdoorview2pw0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Any ideas how this is done.. or how it can be done? I mean the yellow-rusty part?
I wanna have this same yellow base color, with some minor rust effect all over ti, and also some more rust effect on some parts like close to edges etc.
I guess I can use some brown and kinda red color to do the job, but than again it can look like crap if I don't know what I'm doing, and not like rust..

Please advise .. just anything that can help me start this.
how some of you would do this thing.. I wanna it so badly....
Thanks in advance..

[nzcubey]

im not sure aye dude, but the guy that did that mod, he is one gifted man, so it might be hard, and to duplicate that over a big case panel might not look so good.

[erorrijus]

yeah.. I know all that.. specialy the part when that same texture needs to be over the big surface.. but I'll give it a shot.. just some tips for start it what I need...

[jreffy]

Knowing how Capella works, I'm willing to bet it's airbrushing and sponging.

[gobygoby]

Knowing how Capella works, I'm willing to bet it's airbrushing and sponging.


thats what I was going to say...sponging.

white base coat, sponge on the gray, then blot with towel to remove most of the gray paint.

[jreffy]

thats what I was going to say...sponging.

white base coat, sponge on the gray, then blot with towel to remove most of the gray paint.


I'm 99% sure that it probably won't look like that picture, or as good as you want. That guy has got mad skills and a LOT, I mean a LOT of painting and modding experience.

However, I DO highly suggest you try to do it. If you aim high like that, you'll learn a lot trying to do it yourself, just make sure you take your time and try and learn from what you're doing. Also have realize that it's not going to look like his work :). You'll keep your sanity.

[crazybillybob]

You want to try looking up weathering techniques via google or some other search. That's what Paul did with that case.

In a nutshell you apply the base coat (main solid color).
Then you can do some of the following (there's so many ways to get so many different effects it really hard to describe just the right one)
1) Clear coat the base coat , This works if you want some areas to be really shiny. You want to mask off the areas you want really dull, but don't make shape crisp lines...remember you duplicating nature...Random is your friend. Or if your going to do all your weathering in water based media (so it can be washed off later) Clear the whole thing.

2) Apply your rust and grim, the darkest areas can be done in paint. put some on then wipe it off with a rag. You can use powdered calks (pastels) to give that caked on crusty look (you'll want to do this toward the end as the chalk wipes off and washes off with the paint but can be a really cool effect) to get and over all darker grimy look you need to make a "wash" it's about 5-10% black or some other darker color (if your on mars it could even be a dark red brown with just a touch (think a drop) of black ) the rest (90-95%) should be water (or thinner based on the paint being used) now mix you'll get dirty water, paint (wash) the area in it, want it darker double coat it, to help the effect make sure it's sitting correctly (up is up and down is down) then gravity will pull the wash along so more pigment will be in the low spots then the high ones (like real weather does). You can wipe the wash off (works great if you have places like panel lines that dust and grim would collect in) this will take most of the darkness off the high areas and leave it in the lower areas.
3) seal the weathered areas with matte clear coat (this protects the paints and seals the chalks onto your case but doesn't leave it shiny), don't use normal clear coat because it's to shiny.

The thing with weathering is that when your applying it you shouldn't notice it, if you can tell that some thing was painted on , it's too dark or thick...wipe it down a bit. Also spend some time looking at how things weather, look at the rust lines down the sides of old buildings (from gutters, roofing, bolts and nails in the walls), Rust on old cars, old farm equipment, metal boxes outside, the way moss and fungi grow on old cement walls, how dirt builds up in the cracks of things, and how water routes funny ways down buildings. If you can see that you've got a good start.

The best paints to use for weathering acrylic, there water based (easy clean up), and if you get them on and don't like it they come off with water.
You can apply the paints with brushes, rags, sponges, your fingers, or an airbrush. They all give different effects and dimensions to the weathering, all are good way to get different effects. Best thing is it get a spare sheet of metal or old side panel a test out different methods and styles (dry brush, washes, chalks, highlight, textures, etc) then you see what each looks like and you can apply them to get the look you want for your case.

Well thanks for listening to this old hillbilly ramble on about this, I hope it helps you more then confuses you.

Good Luck,
CrazyBillyBob

Oh, I'll be getting to weathering R2 in my worklog at some point (probably in the late winter or spring time frame) so check it out for pics and things of weathering. Well at least a hillbilly's attempt at weathering.

[gobygoby]

I'm 99% sure that it probably won't look like that picture, or as good as you want. That guy has got mad skills and a LOT, I mean a LOT of painting and modding experience.

However, I DO highly suggest you try to do it. If you aim high like that, you'll learn a lot trying to do it yourself, just make sure you take your time and try and learn from what you're doing. Also have realize that it's not going to look like his work :). You'll keep your sanity.


duh! no one is as good as paul! :)

ps. I ment yellow base ,not white.

[erorrijus]

wow.. thanks guys for answers and sugestions. Well.. I did try today some things, and result was.. well more good than bad.. As I was painting second layer of yellow base, wind was blowing on balcony and stuck some newspaper that I had on the floor, over the wet color.. damn I was hitting that thing with nice words.. :D Anyway after I took paper off.. effect was quite cool.. actualy was that somethig that I needed. After that I did same trick with pieces of paper over again on diferent spots.Than over that with some dark brown/red combination.. and again I was suprised with good result. :eek:
I released that thing was ok, but again didn't look "as nature would make it" so now it needs some corrections, but I guess I will survive with this one..
Anyway this is how it look's now for the time:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/9112/stp60373sz7.th.jpg (http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stp60373sz7.jpg)

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4728/stp60372eb8.th.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stp60372eb8.jpg)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6343/stp60371tl0.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stp60371tl0.jpg)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6738/stp60370tu4.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stp60370tu4.jpg)

What you think guys, how I can correct this one into better direction?
I guess shape od dirt/rust is not quite ok, so I need to look for some rusty metals and see how it looks..
But anyway keep those suggestions coming.. i need them badly...
C yaa soon with some update..

[tybrenis]

That looks pretty good for a first attempt!

Some links for you:
http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?t=92142

http://www.trainweb.org/danderso/weathern.htmlhttp://www.trainweb.org/danderso/weathern.html

http://www.trainweb.org/hi_railers/wthcarp1.html

http://www.testors.com/tes_cds/hobby_guides/09%20Weathering.pdf

Also, have you considered actually using rust? Find some old rusty crap and sand it down, collecting the rust. Sand the rust into a finer powder using higher grit sandpaper, and then while your base coat is still wet, just sprinkle some rust on there. I have seen this used before with great results.

[erorrijus]

That looks pretty good for a first attempt!

Some links for you:
http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?t=92142

http://www.trainweb.org/danderso/weathern.htmlhttp://www.trainweb.org/danderso/weathern.html

http://www.trainweb.org/hi_railers/wthcarp1.html

http://www.testors.com/tes_cds/hobby_guides/09%20Weathering.pdf

Also, have you considered actually using rust? Find some old rusty crap and sand it down, collecting the rust. Sand the rust into a finer powder using higher grit sandpaper, and then while your base coat is still wet, just sprinkle some rust on there. I have seen this used before with great results.

thanks man.
well I did find some article about using actual rust.. but not sure hot to do it..than again.. it will give me actual color but not the shape.. I guess I have right colors now,i have to take some time and check some rusty crap around and take example from there.. :rolleyes: at least i think so..
and yes, thanks for the links, I find them werry useful.
let's see what I'm going to do today...

[DaveW]

That looks pretty good for a first attempt!

Damn straight! That's a difficult technique you're trying there, and although the results are not perfect, i've never seen someone come so close on their first try.

Might i suggest some sort of border around your case, with the rusty panels in the middle?

-Dave

[erorrijus]

@DaveW - thanks man. I'm pretty satisfied with result also for the first attempt, however It needs corrections.
I have idea for that side panel to keep it like that, meaning no window or something like that, but for the borders I'm going to do some hazard-tape type stripes from both sides. In the middle, well I'm not so sure but maby some hazard sign or something...
DaveW - What did you mean by rusty panels? can you decribe it more for me? thanks

[DaveW]

Hmm...i have just the thing to help inspire you! I have photos here (http://www.thebestcasescenario.com/davew/Photography/HIREZ/rust.zip) of a really f*cked up computer. The rust in there should help you find some inspiration.

As for the panels, i was thingking you could go for a more textured look-like make the side panel look like it's supposed to screw off or something. Maybe something like this, but more flat?


http://www.caligari.com/gamespace/tutorial/images/panel_build.jpg

Hope those photos help you to get the rust perfect! Love these beat up sort of mods!

-Dave

[erorrijus]

hey thanks man for the pics, they are wery cool, I can take some details from it..
I have idea to not recreate completly first pic that I posted here, instead I'll stick with less "rusty" style, just on some borders and such, around scrues etc.
Also I will make some things around edges on panel that don't have any windows on itself.. well. you will see.. Now I'll concentrate on design starting from scratch in 3ds Max, so it is more easy to see what I need and want...
I will post some more pics later on...
thanks for pics one more time and cool ideas... :)

[erorrijus]

well since I have to start almost from scratch, I did some planing in 3ds max just some basic shape/idea how this thing will look like..
There is still much to change and add but this is kinda direction I'm takin' :

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/7053/samplecasefc7.th.jpg (http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=samplecasefc7.jpg)

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/7227/samplecase02ex9.th.jpg (http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image=samplecase02ex9.jpg)


since I'm broke now :( I have to save some money to be able to finish this one sometime soon.. anyway.. I'll post my progress when something hapen's.
thanks again to everyone....