Hola All.. 1st build question

[Newbster]

what is a good gaming case that will accomadate 2 dx10 cards and 1000w PSU.

Main things I am look for in a case for my 1st build is ...

1.) good instructions
2.) room to work
3.) solid case that will last me a long while maybe aluminum?

thats all i really know to ask for at this point...

I just want my first build to go smooth and reading a lot of reviews on newegg leads me to believe some cases can cuase major frustration to 1st timers ... then the sheeer volume of cases to choose from is overwhelming

[tybrenis]

First off.... why do you need a 1000 watt PSU?

What kind of system will you be running? Will you want to mod it later? What is your budget?

Also, what do you mean instructions? Cases are pretty straight forward... you put stuff in them.

[Newbster]

Reasons / answers to yor questions in red


First off.... why do you need a 1000 watt PSU?

well i assumed to run 2 dx 10 graphic cards later i would need a minimum of 850 .. maybe not /shrug

What kind of system will you be running?

a top notch gaming rig is what i want to build


Will you want to mod it later? doubtful i will do more than put the componets in the case

What is your budget? i dont really have one in mind for just a case but want to stay between 3-5k on the computer i build

Also, what do you mean instructions? Cases are pretty straight forward... you put stuff in them.

reading some reviews on new egg abot various cases i would notice people say things like this case would not be a good case for a newb , or not a lot of instructions for new builders .. etc or the opposite of that saying this was decent for a begining 1st time build lots of good directions etc.. or even how some cases need to be dremmeled to fit componets or hard to work in from lack of room ... thats what i was referring to

[onelegout]

First off.... why do you need a 1000 watt PSU?
The Nvidia 8 series cards use two pci-e power inputs; I expect that it would take a ridiculous amount of power to run both of them safely and efficiently!


As for a case, it depends what style you're looking for. I personaly would go for either the lian li v1000+ or my current case, the NZXT Lexa which is very spacy , comes with some nice added extras like a carrying harness, has an awesome brushed aluminium front bezel, LCD temp. display, and most importantly, a 120mm fan in the window, over the graphics card slots instead of the cpu, so it blasts cold air onto your graphics cards!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811146018

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[tybrenis]

You can't go wrong with a Lian-Li, they make great cases. Have you looked into any of them? They have some sleek designs with tons of great features etc. Also, for ease of install and whatnot, I wouldn't worry about it too much - it's all pretty straight forward and if you have any trouble that what these forums are for! :)

[slytherock]

You can also look for
TT Armor
CM Staker
Silverstone

All of them are good and big cases

[Silenced_Coyote]

The Nvidia 8 series cards use two pci-e power inputs; I expect that it would take a ridiculous amount of power to run both of them safely and efficiently!


As for a case, it depends what style you're looking for. I personaly would go for either the lian li v1000+ or my current case, the NZXT Lexa which is very spacy , comes with some nice added extras like a carrying harness, has an awesome brushed aluminium front bezel, LCD temp. display, and most importantly, a 120mm fan in the window, over the graphics card slots instead of the cpu, so it blasts cold air onto your graphics cards!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811146018

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I think the 8800GTX has 2 PCI power connectors is to insure stability. So lets say... instead of sending 40A through one power connector, they send 20A on two. They are the most power hungry cards, but it isn't ridiculous.

I personally like Silverstone caes. They just came out with the TJ09 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811163073), which has a 120 mm fan to cool your video cards.

Review by Hexus.net (http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=7205&page=1)

[isunktheship]

Jesus, 3-5k... that compy is gonna be amazing.

Lian-Li's are pretty great cases.

Are you going to go watercooling?

[Newbster]

Jesus, 3-5k... that compy is gonna be amazing.

Lian-Li's are pretty great cases.

Are you going to go watercooling?


Id love to go water cooling and over clock but heh ive never built me 1st comp yet and scared of water cooling -- how hard is it?

[nil8]

Watercooling can be a major hassle the first couple of times you use it or troubleshoot it. Broken seals, leaks, There is not only increased costs, but maintenance and monitoring.
I'm not trying to dissuade you, just giving you the info I was never told.

If this is your first build ever, avoid watercooling. Get the basics down a few (dozen) times, then go for a more advanced setup.

BTW, the computer I'm posting this on is a watercooled rig. I feel some pride in saying that. It took lots of work I wouldn't have had to do otherwise, but you can't argue with a 78F processor.

[Newbster]

okay skip water cooling but here is what im buying ...

I need suggestion on a case big enough to fit it all, easy on a beginer, I also need to make sure everything is cooled well, have not got a cpu fan or heat sink yet - not sure on best

If I am gonna air cool I need yalls suggestion to keep this things temp down
seems its gonna get hot

Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
1 Intel BOXD975XBX2KR Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 975X ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #: BOXD975XBX2KR
Item #: N82E16813121059

$329.99


(2) eVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
Model #: 768-P2-N831-AR
Item #: N82E16814130072

$629.99 $1,259.98

1 PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 EPS12V EPS12V 750W Power Supply - Retail
Model #: Silencer 750 EPS12V
Item #: N82E16817703006

$209.99

1 Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6600 - Retail
Model #: BX80557E6600
Item #: N82E16819115003

$309.99


1 CORSAIR Dominator 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1142 (PC2 9136) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-9136C5D - Retail
Model #: TWIN2X2048-9136C5D
Item #: N82E16820145169

$459.00

1 Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFDRTL 150GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - Retail
Model #: WD1500AHFDRTL
Item #: N82E16822136035

$306.99

1 Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200KSRTL 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - Retail
Model #: WD3200KSRTL
Item #: N82E16822136039

$109.99

1 PLEXTOR 16X DVD±R DVD Burner With White bezel,AUTOSTRATEGY,PoweRec,10X DVD+R DL Write Black SATA Model PX-755SA - Retail
Model #: PX-755SA
Item #: N82E16827249006

$105.99

1 Creative 70SB046A00000 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Professional Series - Retail
Model #: 70SB046A00000
Item #: N82E16829102005

$145.99

Subtotal: $3,237.91

[progbuddy]

Some good brands of cases are Cooler master, NZXT, and Thermaltake. If you're thinking of a side window on your case, go with either NZXT or Thermaltake. If you're looking for good cooling, go with Cooler Master. You have some great hardware, and I expect to see a PC come out of it all :p.

KMR

[TheDingo]

good luck...that will be one hell of a computer

[slytherock]

For air cooling, I stick with ZALMAN, perfect cooling, nice looking...

For your HDD, Maybe you can consider 2* 320GB and forget about the RAPTOR: if you put them in raid you will have almost the same result as a raptor alone, but with extra space. The Raptor is loud and cost 200$ more then the Caviar

And you can put that extra 200$ on a decent mobo (sorry I've always hated Intel boards...) like the ASUS (http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=397&model=1439&modelmenu=1)

Just my 2 cents

Nice build BTW Wish I have this kind of money

Edit: Why get a SATA DVD burner, when you can have the same results with an ATA Drive and 70$ in your pockets ;)

[Silenced_Coyote]

The Asus Striker Extreme is really nice, but also expensive... Not to mention that it seems to be out of stock everywhere.

Another option would be the EVGA nForce 680i (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813188009).

The Zalman 9700 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118019) is a good heatsink/fan.

EDIT:
I just realized that your power supply won't work with your build. It only has 2 PCI-e power connectors and your 2 8800GTX's will need a total of 4. Here is a list that nVidia certifies (http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone_build_psu.html#certified_powersupplies).

[Newbster]

didicated game Harddrive not a good idea?


For air cooling, I stick with ZALMAN, perfect cooling, nice looking...

For your HDD, Maybe you can consider 2* 320GB and forget about the RAPTOR: if you put them in raid you will have almost the same result as a raptor alone, but with extra space. The Raptor is loud and cost 200$ more then the Caviar

the one raptor is for playing games with faster access times
bad decision ?
Just my 2 cents

Nice build BTW Wish I have this kind of money

Edit: Why get a SATA DVD burner, when you can have the same results with an ATA Drive and 70$ in your pockets ;)

[Newbster]

Edit: Why get a SATA DVD burner, when you can have the same results with an ATA Drive and 70$ in your pockets ;)


what would you reccomend on DVD burner?

[slytherock]

1- reading TH (http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/06/wd1500ad_raptor_xtends_performance_lead/page9.html) review (I hate naming them...)

f data transfer performance is all you are looking for - video and audio editing in high quality would require high throughput - the RAID 0 array definitely beats the WD1500 Raptor. However, the amazing transfer performance is not enough to dominate in the application benchmarks.
Same thing for the temps...
Although the new Raptor spins considerably faster that its competitors, the WD1500 did not really get warmer than the 7,200 RPM drives. This is impressive proof of the advances that have been made in reducing friction and increasing the efficiency of heat dissipation.

2- You can get any 16x DVD burner double side like Liteon, LG, Samsung, sony, asus, finally almost any drive around 30-45$ There's still no point going with SATA optical drive for now. Wait for price drop... (in a year or 2)

[progbuddy]

If you want some good harddrives, try the Seagate Barracudas.

[Newbster]

Okay based on some of the points in this thread and others I have changed a few things... what are you alls thoughts on this ... any glaring conflicts or something I left out?

The Possible New Rig...Link (https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.asp?ID=3758111)

[slytherock]

We cant log on to YOUR account, so, can you just post a list of it? individually linked if posible :)

[Newbster]

We cant log on to YOUR account, so, can you just post a list of it? individually linked if posible :)


hmm i thought you could share those guess not - will do heh:D

[Newbster]

Update SILVERSTONE TJ09-SW Silver Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #: TJ09-SW
Item #: N82E16811163072

CASE LINK (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811163072)

$299.99
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Update EVGA 122-CK-NF68-AR Socket T (LGA 775) NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #: 122-CK-NF68-AR
Item #: N82E16813188009

$249.99

Motherboard Link (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813188009)


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Update eVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
Model #: 768-P2-N831-AR
Item #: N82E16814130072

$629.99

Graphics Card Link (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814130072)
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Update PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 1KW-SR EPS12V 1000W Continuous @ 50°C Power Supply - Retail
Model #: Turbo-Cool 1KW-SR
Item #: N82E16817703007

$599.99

PSU LINK (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817703007)



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Update Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 Conroe 2.93GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557X6800 - Retail
Model #: BX80557X6800
Item #: N82E16819115001

$964.99

Processor Link (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819115001)



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Update CORSAIR Dominator 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1142 (PC2 9136) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-9136C5D - Retail
Model #: TWIN2X2048-9136C5D
Item #: N82E16820145169

$459.00

MEMORY LINK (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820145169)

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Update Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFDRTL 150GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - Retail
Model #: WD1500AHFDRTL
Item #: N82E16822136035

$306.99

GAMING HARDRIVE LINK (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822136035)

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Update Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200KSRTL 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - Retail
Model #: WD3200KSRTL
Item #: N82E16822136039

$109.99

Media and regular storage Link (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822136039)

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Update SONY Black IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1615/B2s - OEM
Model #: DDU1615/B2s
Item #: N82E16827101131

$18.99

DVD Rom drive link (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16827101131)


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Update Pioneer 16X DVD±R DVD Burner With 5X DVD-RAM Read Black ATAPI Model DVR-111D - OEM
Model #: DVR-111D
Item #: N82E16827129001

$31.99

DVD BURNER link (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16827129001)

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Update Creative 70SB046A00000 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Professional Series - Retail
Model #: 70SB046A00000
Item #: N82E16829102005

$125.99

Sound card link (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16829102005)

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Update ZALMAN 9700 LED 2 Ball CPU Cooler - Retail
Model #: 9700 LED
Item #: N82E16835118019

$59.99

CPU cooler link (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16835118019)

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Subtotal: $3,857.89

[slytherock]

Now, That's what I call a great system. Lucky you :)

[Silenced_Coyote]

For your case, the Silverstone TJ09, which color do you want? I know the pictures on Newegg show it in black, but the name/title says it is in silver. You might want to confirm which color you are ordering with Newegg. Just to be sure.

Did you decide to go with 1 8800GTX? I thought I saw a previous list where you had 2.

[Newbster]

For your case, the Silverstone TJ09, which color do you want? I know the pictures on Newegg show it in black, but the name/title says it is in silver. You might want to confirm which color you are ordering with Newegg. Just to be sure.

I think im gonna paint it anyway

Did you decide to go with 1 8800GTX? I thought I saw a previous list where you had 2.

not sure yet i may start with one and go to SLI if i think it will improve gaming that i can notice with my naked eye... or is it a no brainer to get 2?

or should i wait 12 months or so aand get two new versions in a sli config..
still debating this





Anyone see any conflicts with the above items ... this will be first build ... i think they all go with each other ... is there anything i could do to make it better with current tech ?

Hard drive config advice for screaming gaming ?

[Silenced_Coyote]

Any particular reason for getting 2 optical drives?

[Newbster]

Any particular reason for getting 2 optical drives?

thought it make make burning DVD copies easier of home movies

not sure thugh i just bought the digital movie camera still in box along with the software etc... never have done video editing before and making copies for everyone in the family

[.Maleficus.]

thought it make make burning DVD copies easier of home movies

not sure thugh i just bought the digital movie camera still in box along with the software etc... never have done video editing before and making copies for everyone in the family
Yeah, it is a lot easier making copies directly from the original disc. I think I may get another drive soon just for that reason (and my burner crapped out on me :( )

But damn dude, you are one lucky guy. That is going to be one amazing machine.

[Silenced_Coyote]

Well, I don't see any problems with your setup.

You could go quad core if you felt like it. lol
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=2573616&sku=CP2-DUO-QX6700)

[Durrthock]

That would be awesome
I think you'll be the first with an 8800
BTW are they dx10?

[isunktheship]

Newbster, to make a newegg wishlist public, you have to jsut do this:

Save your desired items, and go to the "My saved wishlists". Select the list you want to share, and press the "share" button.

Then what I did, was I e-mailed myself the link of the wishlist, as if I was e-mailing a friend. I check my e-mail, and voila, I have the URL to the wishlist.

[Newbster]

Well, I don't see any problems with your setup.

You could go quad core if you felt like it. lol
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=2573616&sku=CP2-DUO-QX6700)

I thought about it but I see no real gains in performance between the two chips IMHO

[Silenced_Coyote]

That would be awesome
I think you'll be the first with an 8800
BTW are they dx10?

Yes, the 8800 series are DX10.


I thought about it but I see no real gains in performance between the two chips IMHO

Actually, you would see a slight performance decrease (depending on what you are benchmarking with) with the quad core because the clock speed is a bit slower. But, developers like Valve are starting to push towards multi-threaded coding in their games. But you are right, there are no gains for now and probably not that soon either. I just suggested (more like joked about) it because you were going all out already and your "budget" is huge, so it wouldn't cost that much more to get a quad core. You also won't have to worry about upgrading it later. But I would wait until Intel comes out with a "native" quad core. Hopefully, it would be better and eat up less power.

Good luck with your build!

[Newbster]

well i got my case order it will be in monday or tuesday I will begin deconstruction ... pics and worklog to follow in the below linked thread under works in progress... any help and ideas is welcomed along the way

LINK

http://www.thebestcasescenario.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5324