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So I went up to UPS to ship out my 7950GX2 to eVGA to step-up to an 8800GTX. So my computer isn't usable until I get the new video card. So I took out my hard drive and put it into my old computer. Well, because of the severe hardware change I had to re-activate Windows. Seems simple enough? Well apparently I've already activated it enough times. So now I have 3 days to get it active. I guess I'll have to call Microsoft. It also didn't automatically install the drivers for the onboard video and audio for this motherboard, so now I have to go find those too.
I had to fully reinstall when installed my 7900GS because I kept getting a BSOD on launch. Windows is wierd :P
Am I able ro re-install without formatting and losing my files?
If you've got a newer version you can install it on top, otherwise its either a different partition or format.
Somebody else said to me
"I seriously hope you weren't trying to boot off that drive when you moved it into the other computer as you're going to seriously F up your registry that way."
Well, I did boot off of it when I moved it into the other computer. Soooo..........
Soooo..........Yep, exactly.
AKA_RA
12-21-2006, 03:12 PM
Somebody else said to me
"I seriously hope you weren't trying to boot off that drive when you moved it into the other computer as you're going to seriously F up your registry that way."
Well, I did boot off of it when I moved it into the other computer. Soooo..........
Ow.
Typically when you replace something as crucial as the motherboard, you need a fresh install. As I'm sure you found out, Windows boots and everything on the differant MB, but it doesn't like it when you do that...it makes Bill Gates cry...
If I copied everything to another hard drive, formatted this one, and then moved it all back, would I have to re-install any programs or anything? Or would they remain installed aftered I copied the data back
The programs would be there, but the registry would be corrupted, and programs that require a full install would not work.
Some recommended I use Windows Live OneCare. Do you know anything about that? I still need to find and installe the drivers for the onboard video and sound for this motherboard >_>
AJ@PR
12-21-2006, 04:00 PM
You see Microsoft, this is why people copy your software illegally.
Because of all the unnecessary bull**** you make your paying customers go through.
Onecare is a Antivirus/firewall/data backup/other random stuff MS wants you to pay for , so I dont know if thats going to help you in any way.
About the drivers, try downloading new ones from the mobo's website.
He said I should use it for backing up stuff so I can format it, and that I can get a 90 day trial for it. Is there a chance everything will work fine anyway?
Im not sure about the registry, but you can try.
AKA_RA
12-21-2006, 04:53 PM
You see Microsoft, this is why people copy your software illegally.
Because of all the unnecessary bull**** you make your paying customers go through.
...isn't the problem the activation process, which only exists to prevent piracy? I have a feeling if no one pirated the software to begin with, they wouldn't require activation.
AJ@PR
12-21-2006, 05:07 PM
...isn't the problem the activation process, which only exists to prevent piracy? I have a feeling if no one pirated the software to begin with, they wouldn't require activation.
Countless people will "always" pirate software....
Because, at the very end of the day, information wants to be free.
Simple as that.
Why will DRM never work?
Because the human being cannot be crippled with DRM.
Period.
Just my 0.02 (I'd really love to hear Airbozo's take on this)
AKA_RA
12-21-2006, 06:03 PM
jeez, $20? i thought 1.35 was expensive. inflation hurts...
as for the point system...never had a single problem with that. ive had XP loaded and swapped out everything but the CPU, motherboard OS HDD and it ran just fine every time. is that system new with SP2? im almost scared to upgrade now, lol
Airbozo
12-21-2006, 06:18 PM
Countless people will "always" pirate software....
Because, at the very end of the day, information wants to be free.
Simple as that.
Why will DRM never work?
Because the human being cannot be crippled with DRM.
Period.
Just my 0.02 (I'd really love to hear Airbozo's take on this)
Well, ok, if I must...
DRM sucks. "." With DRM they "assume" that ALL of your software is illegal until you prove otherwise. The only reason the DRM bills passed through both houses was because of all the money thrown at the politicians through the lobbyists. This does absolutely nothing good for the consumer and takes away most of our rights concerning software or any form of distributable media. If I buy a piece of software, I should be able to do what I want with that software, except copy it and sell it. No I shouldn't be allowed to load it on all my friends systems either, _but_ I _should_ be able to load it on any system I own, if I am only using it on one system at a time.
As far as Windows goes I do see the need for a copy protection system to prevent illegal use. Software developers should have the right to make money off of their work without having to worry about pirating. That is just not going to happen. The pirate's will always be slightly behind the curve on disk copying but will always create a solution. What pisses me off about M$ OS software is the fact that they release BETA software and make you pay for it. XP was in no way ready for prime time and was buggy, full of security holes and just plain did not work on some systems until the first SP. By SP2 it was no longer beta software (IMHO).
Sun gets it. That is why they are moving Solaris into the open source domain. Why would they care, you still have to buy hardware from them (or second hand brokers) to run the OS. This is one of my ongoing beefs with SGI. I love sgi's hardware and their OS, IRIX, is THE most stable and secure version of UNIX on the planet. It only runs on sgi hardware (except the linux stuff they have done), but if you want to purchase a piece of sgi hardware off of ebay, legally you MUST purchase a copy of IRIX from sgi to make it run (last I checked it was over $1500). That is more than you will pay for most older systems. If you want to attend a hardware class at sgi, you MUST have an active hardware support contract for the same hardware as you want to learn about.
That said, I despise the software patent process in the U.S. I mean how can you possibly patent a mathematical formula? It has always existed, you did not invent it, you just figured it out (along with countless others who may have not used it in a software program)... Just like atoms. Should anyone be able to patent a hydrogen atom? It has existed since the beginning of time and will continue to exists LONG after time as we know it ceases to exist. Software patents could be viewed similar to published materials though. The words existed, but not in the particular combination of strings set forth by the author.
I also think that if you broadcast media into the ether, you should loose rights to who/where/when/how it is retransmitted, so long as it is not being done for direct profit. My local radio station (KBCO), when I was growing up, used to play albums (remember those shiny vinyl platters?) in their entirety with NO breaks, except for the flipping to the other side break. They would even give you a countdown to start your recorders. Sony never knocked on their door to collect royalties. The thinking was that the recorded version was worse quality than the original so who cares. Is it illegal to record songs off of the radio? Now with MP3 players there is the same issue, but even though the quality is still way less than the original (depending on how you rip it), the big music company's cry foul...
F them, I paid for the CD I will record it to ALL of my personal devices AND make copies for all my vehicles, for MY personal use only. That is the way it should be. One of these days the DRM will be overturned because it is bad for the consumer. I am not holding my breath though.
You asked for it...
EDIT: BTW XP-SP2 is the ONLY M$ software that I have ever purchased, mainly because I felt it was worth it.
AKA_RA
12-21-2006, 06:35 PM
Well said.
I whole heartedly agree that the systems they use to protect their software and their EULA agreements aren't what i wish they were, and neither is the software they're trying to protect. I honestly think that it's not MS thats at fault, it's EVERYONE, including, in part, MS. If the majority of the market wasn't so sue-happy and money-hungry, maybe consumers and corporations could both win. I don't see that happening any time soon, if ever.
Remind me to track down the guy who "invented" being a cash-mongering dick...I feel the need to just walk up and hit him in the mouth...
Piracy isn't a focus for MS in the USA. It's the other countries. One of the most touted facts that MS likes to dangle is that Vietnam has 95% of it's software illegally. Vietnam has bigger problems than the software on their computers. It's just a corporation trying to protect something because they can. That's the reason they're implementing such silly ideas.
One of the big problems MS has is the idea of Volume Licensing. For those of you who have never worked with MS products in a professional setting, this requires a little explanation. I'm going to assume everyone here knows about buying a single user OEM copy of XP or 2k for this example.
Alright, I'm a company, I have 1000+ computers and I need to get my helpdesk to be able to make every workstation the same. Let's say, XP Pro.
I get into a contract with MS called a volume licensing contract(VLC). This contract is a bulk license ordeal. This means I have 1000 computers that I can legally have XP on, and 750 that can have office 2k3. I manage my systems with a MS server product called Systems Management Server(SMS). Once a year or so MS brings a rep over, checks my logs in SMS and determines if I've gone over my legal licenses. The contract gets adjusted and I hand MS my money. This is the business side.
MS sends us a copy of their MSDN dvd that contains every release they have for the year in ISO format to install all their products on our machines. All of the OS's are unlocked using the same keys. These are your master keys and will work without registration, confirmation, or anything else. These keys always work no matter how many modifications are made and never have to be called in, changed or otherwise messed with.
The server admins and PC grunts all get copies of their respective software with the keys and go to work. Ideally, nothing gets leaked.
The keys to the MS castle are handed over to employees, normally without much thought. See why MS could have problems with this?
Vista works differently. I won't go into it, but the beta of it's professional authentication software has already been cracked and patched to never have to communicate to the auth server.
As for patents, genes can be patented as well. That's right, if a company wanted to patent a specific species of animal, they could. Say Sony wanted to patent a specific family of jaguars. Yea, bull****. Companies shouldn't be able to own building blocks of existence.
The human genome project is the only one that has released the information into the public domain for the good of everyone.
In the past 40 years the shift from citizens rights to companies rights has been a tremendous blow in the American justice system. As most of you don't remember, there were a handful of court cases about how the radio would cause record sales to dissapear. The same with VCR's and movies. Now it's happening to this generation's technology and the companies are getting more support both in and out of court. DRM should have been laughed at from the get go, but lobbyists and money go a lot farther than most people's willpower.
Joe blow, who couldn't figure out how to navigate dvd menus, isn't going to be able to operate a large scale piracy ring. At best he would be a small time private collector. At worst, a 12 o' clock flasher.
Bad laws get put into place because of the archaic legislators who don't understand that government doesn't get to regulate or moralize science and technology and any attempt in doing so is futile. You will not stop progress. **** the status quo.
DRece
12-22-2006, 12:02 AM
Piracy isn't a focus for MS in the USA. It's the other countries. One of the most touted facts that MS likes to dangle is that Vietnam has 95% of it's software illegally. Vietnam has bigger problems than the software on their computers. It's just a corporation trying to protect something because they can. That's the reason they're implementing such silly ideas.
One of the big problems MS has is the idea of Volume Licensing. For those of you who have never worked with MS products in a professional setting, this requires a little explanation. I'm going to assume everyone here knows about buying a single user OEM copy of XP or 2k for this example.
Alright, I'm a company, I have 1000+ computers and I need to get my helpdesk to be able to make every workstation the same. Let's say, XP Pro.
I get into a contract with MS called a volume licensing contract(VLC). This contract is a bulk license ordeal. This means I have 1000 computers that I can legally have XP on, and 750 that can have office 2k3. I manage my systems with a MS server product called Systems Management Server(SMS). Once a year or so MS brings a rep over, checks my logs in SMS and determines if I've gone over my legal licenses. The contract gets adjusted and I hand MS my money. This is the business side.
MS sends us a copy of their MSDN dvd that contains every release they have for the year in ISO format to install all their products on our machines. All of the OS's are unlocked using the same keys. These are your master keys and will work without registration, confirmation, or anything else. These keys always work no matter how many modifications are made and never have to be called in, changed or otherwise messed with.
The server admins and PC grunts all get copies of their respective software with the keys and go to work. Ideally, nothing gets leaked.
The keys to the MS castle are handed over to employees, normally without much thought. See why MS could have problems with this?
Vista works differently. I won't go into it, but the beta of it's professional authentication software has already been cracked and patched to never have to communicate to the auth server.
As for patents, genes can be patented as well. That's right, if a company wanted to patent a specific species of animal, they could. Say Sony wanted to patent a specific family of jaguars. Yea, bull****. Companies shouldn't be able to own building blocks of existence.
The human genome project is the only one that has released the information into the public domain for the good of everyone.
In the past 40 years the shift from citizens rights to companies rights has been a tremendous blow in the American justice system. As most of you don't remember, there were a handful of court cases about how the radio would cause record sales to dissapear. The same with VCR's and movies. Now it's happening to this generation's technology and the companies are getting more support both in and out of court. DRM should have been laughed at from the get go, but lobbyists and money go a lot farther than most people's willpower.
Joe blow, who couldn't figure out how to navigate dvd menus, isn't going to be able to operate a large scale piracy ring. At best he would be a small time private collector. At worst, a 12 o' clock flasher.
Bad laws get put into place because of the archaic legislators who don't understand that government doesn't get to regulate or moralize science and technology and any attempt in doing so is futile. You will not stop progress. **** the status quo.
I never get tired of Nil8 shooting it straight with the facts, must of been easier to say it than to type.:D
AKA_RA
12-22-2006, 12:19 AM
Nor do I. ^_^
It seems MS and their anti-piracy software is about as soft a spot to strike as a bare nerve ending in a rotting tooth, in more of a literal sense than I realized. The tooth would be XP, the body is people as a whole, and the nerve is MS, constantly pissing everyone off. If the tooth wasn't rotten, the nerve wouldn't piss us off.
Solution?
Bill Gates needs to brush his teeth!
Guys why are we talking about piracy and MS? We were trying to help out DaJe.
If you change your processor and mobo, your Hardware Abstraction Layer(HAL) in windows doesn't work right. That's why the BSOD happens.
The best idea is to install over your copy of windows or get another hard drive and slave your current one out. Your programs will probably not work in either case. Install them again, it's not a big deal. You shouldn't lose your files unless you format your drive or they're in your profile. This includes my documents, desktop and any folders within.
We get off on tangents, it's common.
So I'll be able to install over it but still keep the files?
Unless those files are on your desktop or in your documents, yes.
If that's a problem, you can install it again, but not over your old OS install.
armadilloben
12-22-2006, 04:56 PM
do the registry problems affect only winows's reg bc i installed linux on my laptops 2.5inch drive via 2.5 to 3.5 adapter and installed on my desktop pc then i plopped the drive into my laptop and wala theres linux i have never had any problems w/ it so maybe fedora core's reg works diff? i dunno
AKA_RA
12-22-2006, 06:55 PM
You can copy everything off the drive, or onto a part of the drive that won't get messed with when windows installs. so if your my documents folder is full of important stuff, copy it somewhere else for the install. you shouldn't have to lose any files.
I'll have to copy it all onto another computer. Anyways, I don't know what this thread is about anymore, but I still need to get around to calling Microsoft. I'll just honestly explain to them my situation.
Wow, that was easy. I didn't even have to explain it to them or anything. I had to verbally tell the computer what my installation ID was, and then have an Indian guy give me some numbers to enter. It's all set now. I'll call them again if my registry ****s up.
Wait, why would my registry mess up after I put the hard drive into the original computer is was in, but didn't mess up when I put it into this computer?
The only way to mess up the registry is if you're installing windows.
Well I'm not installing Windows. I was only thinking of re-installing it because people said my registry would mess up.
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