cancer and mobile phones

[GT40_GearHead]

I hear this a while ago on some tv program... didn't gave it to much thought.... like "echo greanpeace freak bull****"
But a few days ago i got my self a new phone, the old got lost:dead: , I got a nokia 1110.
I got home with it, and started reading the user guid, and after some pages I something like:" dont keep you'r phone closer than 1,5 cm form you'r body".... like wtf is this real or what.....

[Slug Toy]

well most people are worried about the frequencies used by the phone... they think EM radiation is going to cause spontaneous cancer.

the fact of the matter is that the world is full of EM radiation much more powerful than what cell phones give off (radio waves are down below infrared, which is lower than visible light). if it was going to cause cancer, we'd all be in pretty bad shape right now. the only EM radiation that has been proven to cause cancer is UVB.

second, you need to understand cancer. cancer patients often attribute tumors to elevated stress or an unusual event. the truth in this matter is that outside events (excluding radiation) dont appear to have any impact. if you get cancer, you get cancer, and its in your genes the whole time believe it or not. its just a question of will that cancer gene get triggered, and this happens spontaneously.

so the bottom line is that cell phones dont cause cancer. it doesnt make physical, chemical, or biological sense. cancer causes itself in most cases.

[GT40_GearHead]

i see... then i was right when I sayd to myself "echo greanpeace freak bull****"

but there is last thing I don't understand: why would nokia put that warning(dont keep you'r phone closer than 1,5 cm form you'r body) on theyr product

i mean it got my atention and I usuali dont give a f*** on this thing, but i'm shure there are people who take this a lot more seriously than me

[DaveW]

Radiation can cause cancer, i think this is because when DNA replicates it is malformed by radiation (of which there are 3 types). As one type of radiation is a part of the electromagentic spectrum, it was thought that prolonged exposure to all high/low frequencies could cause cancer. (There was a similar scare with radio waves, as Slug suggested).

There's no real way to prove that electromagnetic signals do not cause cancer, so it's a warning.

But Slug is right, you have more to worry about from everyday radiation than you do from your cellphone. Unless it's an old one.

-Dave

[Ironcat]

A: It is, as was already stated, just a warning... so they can say "Hey we warned you..."

B: Think about it a second. 1.5cm is more than half an inch. Unless you are wearing 4 pairs of Levi's and keeping your phone in your lunchbox, just carrying it around on your waist or in your pocket, you have it closer than 1.5cm.

[Airbozo]

Reason for the warning? One word: "Lawyers"

[nil8]

I want to shake Slug & Dave's hands. You took the words right out of my mouth.
The idea of cell phones causing cancer is just as dumb as living under power lines causes cancer or mentally handicapped children. It's just not true.
If it was, then people would see massive amounts of cancer in the skull already. It's not happening.

Nokia can't be sued if you get skin cancer. That's why they did that.

[GT40_GearHead]

hhhmm
i thought so
damn idiots

[Slug Toy]

heres the biggest thing. people ARE idiots. its not just you going crazy... the rest of the world is most of the time. on top of that, people like to tell each other whats good and bad.

this is a classic case of the blind leading the blind. chances are that someone who was uninformed started this rumor that you can get cancer from cell phones. it caught on, and someone equally uninformed said "i know, ill save people by making DENIM POCKETS LINERS!!! and ill make a buck doing it" then people saw the adds on tv and said "well ****, if they took the time to make those liners, it must be true..." but they didnt stop to think that A) these pocket liners are a product that plays on stupidity and B) the person that made them had no clue what they was doing. then the physicist stepped, but no one believed them for a while, and many still dont, but those people that dont are the ones with masters in victorian watercolour paintings and renaissance literature. the physical chem guys said "yep, those physicists are probably right because our freaking americium-powered radio wave measuring devices are registering no sign of harmful radiation being given off by phones. the americium itself though is damn deadly..." and the physicists said "well thank you chemists, by the way... nice shoes." and they all got along happily ever after. meanwhile the mathematicians were off in a corner trying to derive some sort of meaningful limit from the graphs of the "radiation levels" produced by the americium meters, but where having no such luck. the theoretical physicists stepped in because it was time for them to help and not be helped. they said "well if you pass this equation through a very tiny hole, and then force it through a neutron star, you may bend light enough to actually turn the graph into swiss cheese!" then the fifteenth parallel universe to ours exploded and then sucked back in on itself. things got very obscure at this point because no n-dimensional algebra could have predicted that cell phones would have caused the collapse of the fifteenth universe. this was not to be taken lightly, so the astronomers started firing microwaves into space to see if they could not only find the end of our universe, but also find the beginning of other universes so they could count them to see if in fact the fifteenth was missing. the microwaves were unfortunately traveling in paths such that they all focussed on to a point which the moon titan passed through at a bad time... it caught on fire and crashed into phobos with enough force to wake up saturn. saturn was mad, and the astronomers saw this and said "my god saturn, what big eyes you have." and saturn said "shut up or ill eat you!" and went back to sleep.

so anyways, all the while a huge debate had erupted over this cancer controversy. everyone had their own opinion and their own studies to back it up. they were all wrong though, as the biologists would soon prove. one such biologist managed to show that if you expose DNA to radio waves nothing happens, whereas if you expose DNA to house music AKA audible wallpaper, the hydrogen bonds break completely, and all associated protein tears itself apart violently. people looked at this and said "i knew house music was that bad, tell me something new." and then they saw the results pertaining to the radio waves and said "oh, ok then." but the only problem was that the results were published as an academic journal, which not many people read, so most people still dont know that they're idiots yet.

all in all, breakfast is the most important part of anyones life, there are three unique ways to tie your shoes, and no... the person that you made eye contact with earlier did not actually look at you, they looked THROUGH you.

[DaveW]

"well ****, if they took the time to make those liners, it must be true..."

Hahaha...sums it up, don't it?

-Dave

[GT40_GearHead]

slug you know what you should do, you should put that little news bulletin on the front page
its great
you made my day

and just for the record: i didn't belive this ****, but it made me why a mobile phone company would say it.... know i know why ....
Lawyers

[Crimson Sky]

if you live close (say a square city block) to a cell tower or repeater, chances are you'll get a mild dose of radiation when on the phone. You'll get 1000 times that dose standing next to your microwave oven waiting for that ham and cheese hot pocket (Oooo...spinning...!!) to be done.

[GT40_GearHead]

are you doing the ooooo.... spinning... thing

i am, I always do it, cant control myself

[DaveW]

???

Is this something we don't do in Scotland?

-Dave

[Slug Toy]

it might be. maybe you guys are too busy to watch the microwave work. you should try it some time. try it with a nice fresh tomato and have some fun.

[GT40_GearHead]

slug, you're despicable!!

lol

[nil8]

Eww, hot pockets.
My microwave doesn't spin. I start intently at the timer and count down out loud with mounds of anticipation of my food coming out hot on the outside and ice cold in the middle. Awesome!

Seriously though, cell phones causing cancer is bull****.