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[Fuse]

Please help me i am considering getting a water cooling system for the first time. There are many Questions please try to help me:
Are they safe?
how much roughly do u have to spend to get a good one?
What basic conponents do u need?
if i get one will it elieminate the need for fans compleatly?
If i get one is it easy to put together?
and last of all
Will the components fit in any case

[Fuse]

Oh hang on problem solved but wait everything is diffrent sizes 1/2 or 1/4 or 10mm or 8mm how do i change from one size to another please help i cannot do any thing else cos i found the system i want and if i know how to change sizes i can buy it so please help me thanks Fuse

[Seven]

Wooooah...hold on man.

First thing is, you generally want to keep the same Inner diameter tubing throughout your system.

This eliminates cavitation and pressure loss and all that nasty stuff.

For a high performance setup, I'd go with stuff that's 1/2" ID.

Post what you're thinking about, and I'll be able to help you a bit more.
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[Fuse]

kk right i dont know what processor yet so no processor block yet but i know i am having a duel boardWater cooling:

10ml UV water dye

Fluid xp + or Redline wetterwater

Water block this depends on processor

Water block for hard drive:
HD cooler 10/8

Water cooler for graphics card
DD Radeon Block

Radiator:
-XCPC R120-T crossflow

Reservoirs:
Danger Den Dual 3 ½ Floppy bay reservoir or Danger Den Single 5 ¼ inch bay reservoir

Pump:
Danger Den 12v-D4 pump or Alphacool AP900 12 Volt

Fittings:
½ inch Y splitter (4 required min. for standard but with Duel processor 6 needed min.) also I need size changers for the different size parts.

Tubing: possible ½ inch ID Flexible tubing (length tbc) per meter (3-4 mtr?)

Hose clips: Jubilee clips (various sizes)

Fans: XinRuiLian 2400rpm 120mm Fan (3 needed)

i think thats it? i dont even know if thats all the compartments its difficult to work out all the stuff!?!

[Frakk]

-it is safe if you put it together properly and it is not leaking.

-a good system would cost you roughly $200-300 depending on your needs and the amount of components you want to cool

-basic components:
waterblock(s) - CPU, GPU, NB, depends on what you want to cool
pump - depends on your radiator and the # of blocks
radiator - bigger is better
tubing - 1/2 or 3/4, I suggest the 3/4 because its more flexible and prettier. the thicker tubing wont give you better temps
water - destilled water, plus if you want to add additives(uv reactive, anti corrosion etc.)
reservoir - you dont need it, a T line will do it for you, however more water can give you better cooling(i know some of you say no, it just slows it down to heat up but you can maintain low temps a lot easier that way)

-it wont elliminate the use of fans, unless you have a huge radiator that can transfer the heat generated witout fans

-it is not hard to put it together, however you have to know what you are doing, water wont have mercy on your components. I suggest to read some tutorials and get familiar and comfortable doing it. also basic skills like mounting the blocks are needed for good heat transfer.

-it depends how big the case, pump and the radiator are. it is always a good idea to mount the rad to a blowhole so it gets a good amount of airflow and not just thrown into the bottom with a fan. getting it all fit into a case really depends on its size.

[Fuse]

right but will all the diffrent sizes matter cos i heard that the more connectors and stuff means its dangerus as there could be a pressure build up or somthing is that true?
Where will i find tutorials cos i have no idea what i am doing at all!?!

[mashie]

You should definately spend a month or two actually reading up on watercooling before you do a bad investment that you will regret.

Here are some basic rules:


Research
Research
Research
Use the same tube/barb size in the whole loop.
Each sharp 90 degree bend cut the flow by half so try not to use them.
Block in series are more efficient than blocks in parallell du to better flow.
Going from one tube size to another will not cause cavitation, the flow in a WC setup is by far too low. It will however kill flow.
Blocks using big barbs/tubes are designed for high flow.
Blocks using small barbs/tubes are designed for low flow.
Don't mix high flow and low flow blocks.
For best efficiency with silent low flow fans use THIN radiators. A BlackIce Extreme 1/2/3 might look tempting with it's high BTU value but a BlackIce Pro 1/2/3 will work better with slow fans. The extreme is, well, designed for extreme airflow/pressure.


If you are doing watercooling for the first time, go with a kit from Swiftech.

[ZeD]

Please help me i am considering getting a water cooling system for the first time. There are many Questions please try to help me:
Are they safe?
If you take the proper precautions, use sealer tape on all the threads then yes it is safe. 98% of all leaks I've encountered were from barb connects without any type of sealant. Do it right and you don't even have to worry about transporting it either.


how much roughly do u have to spend to get a good one?
You can spend as little as $100 or as much as $500, some good places to save some money can be to use an automotice heater core, fishtank\aquarium pumps from your local petstore, and tubing from a hardware store as well as fittings, barbs, T connects e.t.c. The only PC specific parts are the blocks themselves, everything else can be had much cheaper with the above mentioned "ghetto" solutions.


What basic conponents do u need?
Take a look at some complete kits on the market, all the components are listed.


if i get one will it elieminate the need for fans compleatly?
nope, ya still need a fan on the Rad\heatercore


If i get one is it easy to put together?
If you have done any type of PC maintanence, repair or upgrades in the past and know how to turn a screw and a wrench its a peice of cake, it also comes with intructions if ya get a complete kit. You can also google some watercooling kit articles for install referance's


and last of all
Will the components fit in any case
My psychic abilities aren't what they used to be, I don't know what case you have but I do know your underwear says Tuesday. Seriously the smaller complete kits can fit in virtually any case, The Thermaltake Aquarius 2 is popular for Shuttles and it all fits internally. But they make triple 120mm rads that would be a tight fit in small cases. It all depends on teh type of components you use and the case you are planning to implements them on.

Good luck, read, google some reviews for parts selection and a crash course in different designs, read, ask questions if your not sure.

USE SEALER TAPE ON ALL YOUR THREADS!!!!!

[Fuse]

Thank you all for ur help its really useful but i am still worried but it looks like i will have to get over it because i am getting a new duel processor board with 3.8GHz processor and last time my fans didn't work well and the chips blew!?!

could u tell me what u have in ur pc's just so i got an idea of what to look at please

[Frakk]

All you'll ever need to know :)
http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=techmodding&Number=687640&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=1

[Fuse]

wow that web site rules it has most things but it aint the same as hearing it from these experts

mashie i tried Swiftech erm does it matter which kit if i get a kit of course?

to anyone if i install one does i need constant matinance?
and will the matinance suck up lots of money?
if i upgrade my pc will the water cooling system need to be changed cos blleding it and every i just would not be safe with doing it!?!

[Fuse]

and one of my mates who has ons said get a chip block and the other said CPU block whats the diffrance and whats better?

[Frakk]

chip block? there are lots of chips in a computer lol. cpu is a chip and you need a block on that because thats what you want to watercool. you can get a waterblock on the northbridge chip and gpu chip as well but not necessary. you dont need to maintain the system too often, changing the water every couple months is enough if you keep it clean. once you have it all you dont need to spend much money on it, get decent tubing so it will last and you can get destilled water for cheap.

[mashie]

Fuse,

The only maintenance is to top off every once in a while. However preventative maintenance like making sure the water level is sound, no leaks are occuring, tubing is not rotting is another story. All you have to do is tilt your head and peak inside once in a while (if ya got a window) If you want a completely maintenance free system I think thermaltake has some type of auto filler thingy that tops it off for you (you still have to fill that up though) but once you do it should be enough to last a very very very long time. Good luck.