New ride

[Mitternacht]

I think some of you may remember me wanting to sell the vette. Well, I got another vehicle. Teasers:

It's black.
It's got suspension work
Its got Methanol injection (If you are car literate, and can put 2 and 2 together, you should be able to guess why Methanol is on this vehicle)
5-speed
Easily around 500 hp
Costs less than $9500

I'll get pics up tomorrow night. Guesses are welcome! Rep to whomever guesses the closest. And yes, the vette is definitely gonna be sold; this car is taking its place.

[Luke122]

I'm guessing some sort of import.. maybe a Skyline or something? That would be sweeeet.

Definitely either turbo- or supercharged..

I'm not sure if you are into offroad stuff, but bringing up suspension work would make me think "lift kit"... plus, you can get some pretty sweet offroad action for under $10k.

:D

If I'm the winner, I dont want the rep. ;)

[Computer-Geek]

it could be a mustang or something :)

[tybrenis]

I am also going to say definitely an import. But 500 horse!? Holy **** batman! Thats awesome dude. I can't wait to see what it is. With the suspension I say... it's an old, suped up WRX! Although, for that price, I doubt it...

[Luke122]

My first thought was Skyline.. second thought was a motorcycle. But 500hp on a bike? yoiks.

[Nagoshi]

Supra? :)

Or Dodge's 4-wheeled Viper-engineered bike :D

[Omega]

It's got to be an import.

[xRyokenx]

You're all wrong, it's obviously a tricycle with an engine and **** in a wagon that's being towed behind it.

[Commando]

Its got Methanol injection (If you are car literate, and can put 2 and 2 together, you should be able to guess why Methanol is on this vehicle)
http://www.nationalspeedsportnews.com/photos/NHRA_TPed_RacersEdge.jpg

Or is that Ethanol, I can't remember?

[Luke122]

[IMG]
Or is that Ethanol, I can't remember?

Lol.. i bet that's a bit more than $9500... plus that's running nitro-meth if I'm not mistaken. ;)

[public_eyesore]

500 horses for 9500? I want this car!

[GT40_GearHead]

a supercharged Prius ? :D


jokes aside, i cant wait to see what it is !

[public_eyesore]

my vote is for mustang

[Spawn-Inc]

my vote is for mustang

CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


corvette!

[Mitternacht]

Computer-Geek and public_eyesore get it; Mustang GT.
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[Nagoshi]

The top looks sunburned... or is it me?

[Bucko]

That looks sweet other than the wing on the back. It really doesn't flow with the rest of the car.
Otherwise, great stuff!

[Mitternacht]

That looks sweet other than the wing on the back. It really doesn't flow with the rest of the car.
Otherwise, great stuff!

That's what my dad thought about the wing als. I personally like it, espeecially seeing it in the rearview mirror, and that it's functional.

[Mitternacht]

The top looks sunburned... or is it me?

Morning dew; I live near the woods. I took the pictures 10 minutes ago.

[simon275]

Yeah the wing looks a bit silly it is to high the legs should be shorter on it. Nice car though.

[GT40_GearHead]

baaah.... blasphemy....!!! burn the heretic !!! ARRGGHH

joking man :D

congrats on the new toy !

now go draw two black lines across the neighborhood... i know you want to !

[Airbozo]

MMMMM another Mustang driver. Now if I had the funds to get 500hp out of my GT.... Guess that won't happen. I can barely afford the tires for this beast now. I can't imagine how fast I would go through rubber if I had that many horses...

[Luke122]

Hehe... mudstain gt! ;) Good deal though.. $9500 and you'll have loads of fun with it.

I'm a big fan of the sleeper though.. I had a 1990 Dodge Shadow ES.. 4dr, turbo, and 250hp at the wheels. Paint was faded and had a couple rust spots on it.. but it was FAST. The best part was the look on peoples faces when I ran away from them... including a mustang gt. :D Though theirs wasnt supercharged.

[Mitternacht]

Actually its like 475 at the wheels, and the methanol is another 60-70 on tap. Never tried the methanol; never needed to yet. heh heh...

Honestly, I'm just lucky to have the opportunity to find this car, and for my dad to keep it in his name because insurance would cost more than the car.


Hehe... mudstain gt
I saw that....


baaah.... blasphemy....!!! burn the heretic !!! ARRGGHH

joking man :D

congrats on the new toy !

now go draw two black lines across the neighborhood... i know you want to !

I actually dont want to. The only time this car makes 11's and some smoke will be at the track. This car has Nitto 555's, extremely good tires.

[Bucko]

The two black lines he was talking about were the oil that leaks from the engine and the oil from the tranny. :)

[Mitternacht]

The two black lines he was talking about were the oil that leaks from the engine and the oil from the tranny. :)

Nice try. In a rwd car the oil would CLEARLY drip inline being that the engine and tranny are inline with each other. :D

[Bucko]

Not if you are going sideways (as rear wheel drive cars do so well!).

[Mitternacht]

Not if you are going sideways (as rear wheel drive cars do so well!).

Haha, nice. :p

[GT40_GearHead]

ha ha that was nice !

+rep for both of you

[Aero]

sweet. Please tell me that massive wing is functional, otherwise I'll buy you a hacksaw. Otherwise its damn sexy. Interior looks amazing. Undercariage looks to be in good condition, rusted blots, but thats to be expected on an older stang. What else has been done to the engine? Any new internals?

[Mitternacht]

sweet. Please tell me that massive wing is functional, otherwise I'll buy you a hacksaw. Otherwise its damn sexy. Interior looks amazing. Undercariage looks to be in good condition, rusted blots, but thats to be expected on an older stang. What else has been done to the engine? Any new internals?

The wing is functional; its from Steeda. That's why the legs of the spoiler to the trunk are so big, so it doesn't break from the downforce.

Nothing internal was done to it. Just outside stuff like the intake/supercharger, 42bl fuel injectors, BBK intake and exhaust pieces, flowmaster mufflers, diablo tune, custom tune at ASAPMustangs. It's said to make 500HP, and 60-70 more with the Methanol injection.

If you, GT40, know what chirping 2nd gear is, I amazed myself by spinning 2nd gear for atleast 3 seconds. Sometimes, it's a <1 second chirp, I did a 3 second howl with it up a hill. I wish you lived near me man. The car shows and just cruising around would be frickin' awesome.

[GT40_GearHead]

holy ****, that is huge, and it makes me think the tires are not gonna last for very long :D

did you manage to hock the tires in first gear, how does it feel ?

[Mitternacht]

holy ****, that is huge, and it makes me think the tires are not gonna last for very long :D

did you manage to hock the tires in first gear, how does it feel ?

Never tried launching the car yet. I will practice a bit though. Saturday the vette is gonna be sold and switched over, hopefully early cause I want to go to the dragstrip.

[GT40_GearHead]

how much are you asking for the vette ? It wasn't an LT1 if remember correctly

[Mitternacht]

how much are you asking for the vette ? It wasn't an LT1 if remember correctly

$7000; L-98. It's practically sold. Some guy at the car show last night promised to buy it on Saturday.

[GT40_GearHead]

how are you going to cope with the live axle rear end, the vette was awesome with its IRS

[Computer-Geek]

yay i was right :) It looks pretty nice I will try to get you a pic of my neighbors mustang i forgot which year and model name it was.

[Mitternacht]

how are you going to cope with the live axle rear end, the vette was awesome with its IRS

Actually, I tried a couple corners, and because of the BBK suspension gear and beehive springs, it's just like the vette. Plus, it's got traction bars, so no wheel hop with this live axle.

[Redundant]

My dad has a 2007 Mustang GT in silver that he bought only a few months ago.

If you want, i might be able to get a picture of it but he's not home right now.

Oh, and your engine needs some cable management badly. ;)

[Mitternacht]

My dad has a 2007 Mustang GT in silver that he bought only a few months ago.

If you want, i might be able to get a picture of it but he's not home right now.

Oh, and your engine needs some cable management badly. ;)

It just needs to be disguised, like that Methanol line. I was thinking of swapping the methanol line for a black one so not many people could tell its there.

[Omega]

Nice find.

[GT40_GearHead]

so how exactly does that the methanol supply work ?

[Drew]

And why methanol?

Instead of Nitrous?

Very, very cool.

[GT40_GearHead]

i have no idea.... but i'm sure there must be something to it !

[Drew]

Yeah, he's an alcoholic......




Yeah, I know, bad taste.......

[AJ@PR]

And why methanol?

Instead of Nitrous?

Very, very cool.

Cooling.

Mehtanol + water takes heat away.
Cooler charge going into the engine = more power.


And now you know!

[GT40_GearHead]

so you are sayng he is spraying the methanol on the intercooler ?

i knew people used liquid CO2 on intercooler, i thought it goes in the mixture...


<goes to check pics for clues...>

[Bucko]

I'd say the methanol injection is for when the boost is turned up.
At higher boost pressure you want higher octane fuel to prevent detonation.
The methanol will serve this purpose.

[Nagoshi]

Iv eheard about Subarus using a water jet in their intercoolers, giving them 20-30 HP, it must be the same thing but with a mixture of water and methanol.

[GT40_GearHead]

i'm pretty sure the last thing you want is to do is to spray water in you cylinders , because it will create steam and will fock with your compression ratio in the worst way possible, it will up the compression !


i know about spraying the intercoolers with water, but never heard about using methanol...


Mitternacht get your ass in here quick !!!

[Mitternacht]

i'm pretty sure the last thing you want is to do is to spray water in you cylinders , because it will create steam and will fock with your compression ratio in the worst way possible, it will up the compression !


i know about spraying the intercoolers with water, but never heard about using methanol...


Mitternacht get your ass in here quick !!!

How quick you want it? ;)

I was gonna go to the track, but it's gonna rain so here I am. Methanol is injected into the air intake. Methanol is CH3OH. It'll explode similarly like Nitrous, but not as powerful. Methanol does cool down the incoming air, and is inside the engine, and not sprayed on an intercooler. Methanol can boost the octane, more than you think. It will make a motor running on 93 feel like it's really running on octane 115-120.

It's activated by 2 switches. One main switch to arm the system, and the other switch to start the secondary fuel pump and the Methanol pump; this switch is activated when the gas pedal is floored.

It's said that the kit I have will boost power about 50-70 HP.


I'd say the methanol injection is for when the boost is turned up.
At higher boost pressure you want higher octane fuel to prevent detonation.
The methanol will serve this purpose.
If this was the case, then every forced inducted motor would need this. Detonation would happen if the compression ratio is too high for the boost levels that the turbo/supercharger is pushing.

Cooling.

Mehtanol + water takes heat away.
Cooler charge going into the engine = more power.


And now you know!

Kudos. :up:

[Drew]

We're all a little wiser.

+ rep for explaining.

And I've heard of the water injection too... company called aquamist if I'm not mistaken.

I'm off out to buy a bottle of vodka and a washer jet to inject into my S12 Silvia drifters intake...

[GT40_GearHead]

+rep from me to !


any plans to run it exclusively on methanol


PS: hope you have fun at the track ! lucky bastard :D

[Mitternacht]

+rep from me to !


any plans to run it exclusively on methanol


PS: hope you have fun at the track ! lucky bastard :D

Actually, you wouldn't believe what happened...

Some guy is interested in buying the Corvette. He came over last night to buy it, but now it'll have to wait til next week. HE was ****ing around with the shifter and the brakes while the car was off. Then I go to start it, and the ignition key falls forward; it won't start, and won't shift out of park. And it's blocking my Mustang, which I was gonna take to the track in 3 1/2 hrs, at 1PM the racing begins, and its 9:30 now. Unless we can get it fixed,my weekend to drag race is shot.

[GT40_GearHead]

FOOCK !!!

shove the darn thing out of the way !!!

[AJ@PR]

Here's the way I see it:::


INTERNAL vs EXTERNAL


The EXTERNAL injection, (either water, or water+methanol, CO2 or even Nitrous) is usually done to an intercooler.
In front of the intercooler, you spray it with the mixture and it lowers the temperature.
I hadn't seen CO2 used for this purpose, but I don't see why not.
I've seen water, water+methanol, and nitrous injected in front of the intercooler.
Note that this injection of whatever is not going INTO the engine.


INTERNAL:::
You can inject lots of things.

Nitrous,... we're kinda set where that's standing.
Apart from the added power to the expansion inside the cylinders, nitrous has various hp in the 'cooling effect' of the incoming air.
After nitrous injection, the mix gets to the cylinder VERY cold (for a test, place your hand in front of an open nitrous jet. Do this in the vicinity of a hospital, and with the hand that you DON'T use to write).

Water (like Drew said, Aquimist, AFAIK).
Injecting water into the intake of an engine has a cooling effect...
Here's the interesting part.
It isn't so much the cooling of the intake air (few degrees at most?), it's the cooling of the hot spots inside the combustion chamber.
Reduced hot spots = reduced detonation.

This is usually reserved for pressurized engines (turbo/super).

As was noted, it CAN cause corrosion.
It DOES cause corrosion.
So, what you must do, is shut the engine off a couple of minutes after you shut off the water injection system/setup.
This can be either manually, or with one of them fancy 'turbo timers' for the engines.

Water + Methanol
And here's where I think we have a fork (fork! I said f o r k ) in the Knowledge Road.
I've seen the mixture done with low concentrations of methanol, for cooling.
And I've seen it with higher concentrations of methanol, for, as Mitt says, increasing the octane rating of the resulting mixture.
The computer (or you) can then work with the timing of the engine.


Ummm... that's basically it.
I'm off to play some more Halo... sheeshh... I'm getting my butt kicked.
But, **obviously** it's the team mates... never me. No no no... not me.

BTW! Side question... SirKillaLot... do you play Halo?
If you do, I think I played with you the other day, and you... um... booted me from the game.
Just asking. :)


EDIT::: This is open to comments, corrections and opinions!

[Mitternacht]

FOOCK !!!

shove the darn thing out of the way !!!

Mmmm-yeaa-no. In fact, we had taken apart the lower dash, and messed around with the rods that run along the steering column. The one in the middle is out of alignment. I can push it forward, and the car will seem like the key is in the on position, but the key is in the start position and won't go further. So all I have to do after that is find the starter relay and take it out and jump the + 12V to the starter 12V and the car will start since the ignition and fuel system are primed, being that the rod is in the ON position. Possible to start it and get the Mustang to the show tonight.

[GT40_GearHead]

DO IT ! :D


oh and take photos to !!! :D:D:D:D

[Mitternacht]

DO IT ! :D


oh and take photos to !!! :D:D:D:D

Heh heh...I'll try to get a pic of it later. :up:

[Helix666]

AJ@PR: You missed one off the internal list. Nitro-methane (CH3NO2)

Although, injecting that into your engine would probably kill you very quickly. :twisted:

[AJ@PR]

AJ@PR: You missed one off the internal list. Nitro-methane (CH3NO2)

Although, injecting that into your engine would probably kill you very quickly. :twisted:

Dude... there's only one way to find out... :D :D :D
Who's up for the tesT?!?!

[Drum Thumper]

Dude... there's only one way to find out... :D :D :D
Who's up for the tesT?!?!

Perhaps we need to put a call into Mythbusters and see if AJ could borrow Buster...

[GT40_GearHead]

Who's up for the tesT?!?!

I am ! just get me a car and a salt flat :D


though i'm not sure who will it kill first, me or the engine lol

the Top Fuel Dragster people run on it

[AJ@PR]

:D :D :D
This is great.

You, bunch of kind Sirs, are a bunch of computer AND car geeks.

When I get home, I'll dig an article I absolutely love about fuels.
I think 'hydrazine' is one of the components used in the shuttle's liquid engines.

WOW!!
I'm going to post here some images, of a small company in the late 60s, created by (literally) a rocket scientist...
I'm not going to type this out here, cause I think I'm going to mess up crucial facts... but here's the run down...

The dude used tiny turbine pumps... through them, he ran two liquids, that when mixed, expanded to absurd ratios (250:1?).
Of those small turbines, he was able to generate 1200hp at the shaft and such.

So, how the hell do you put this power in a car?
:D

GEEKS! Check out what this dude this:::
He designed sort of a rear-axle cover.
This cover was installed behind the differential, with its own pinion (sp?) hooked to the big ring (name?).

So, you're driving along fine, and when you want to obliterate the F16 trying to chase you down, you'd pop it in neutral, and hit the buttton.
1200 hp would flow directly to your two axles.

Niceeee... eh?!?!!
I'll get those pics... you buncha' car nerds!

[GT40_GearHead]

The dude used tiny turbine pumps... through them, he ran two liquids, that when mixed, expanded to absurd ratios


****, thats basically how a liquid fuel rocket works

...and i know its thrust, but i'm talking the fuel system ;)