liquid cooling conundrom, help please...sigh lol

[rebelliont56]

basically if u look in the emage below im trying to build a cooling system in my TT kandalf right so im using the swiftech parts the rad box the pass through etc etc great and all then bam i try to see if the tygon ANTI-KINK tubing wont kink from the pass through to the barbs of the radiator and it does and it does BAD!..ahhhh i dunno what to do any body got any expierence with this or just have an idea to get me out of this...i a nub at all this first time build a pc too, but yea help comments parts to buy w/e would be appreaciated

-Tom





http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/4176/071407115400dj1.th.jpg

[rebelliont56]

http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=071407115400xj7.jpg

theres a better picture i hope...

[rebelliont56]

guess not

[Spawn-Inc]

first try not to double, triple or quad post admins don't like it. you can edit your older post or first post with the edit button on the bottem right of your posts.

as for kinking you can get some of this (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=238&products_id=4460) to help prevent kinking.

and your photos didn't work so i can't tell if its the tubing's fault that it kinked or you put to much of a bend.

[rebelliont56]

oh sorry bout that, but yea the picture i couldent find my didgital cam so i had to use my cell, and like it souldent be the tubing cuz its anti kink, but like i cna see any other config so prevent the bends hmmm\

ive seen the springs i was thinking about using some of this what do u think
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/3849/tsl-04/Clear_CoolSleeve_for_38_ID_Tubing_40_Piece.html?tl =g30c99s489

[Spawn-Inc]

ya its the same thing as what i posted but plastic (i think the one i posted was metal) but i only posted it to show you what i meant.

once you get your digital or a better shot , maybe even do a quick paint picture. then i or someone else here can help better.

[rebelliont56]

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5974/dscn0393ba9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot with COOLPIX S500 (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=COOLPIX+S500&make=NIKON) at 2007-07-14

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2861/dscn0394to8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot with COOLPIX S500 (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=COOLPIX+S500&make=NIKON) at 2007-07-14

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8499/dscn0395cc0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot with COOLPIX S500 (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=COOLPIX+S500&make=NIKON) at 2007-07-14
notice those are the two possible ways that the tubing could exit the case due to GPU card and sound card

[rebelliont56]

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8620/dscn0396oa7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot with COOLPIX S500 (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=COOLPIX+S500&make=NIKON) at 2007-07-14

the pink sharpie bo in the midle of the mobo tray is the spot on the mobo where the cpu waterblock will be above that is the resovoir and under the drivebays will be the pump and above that (via T-connector) i have installed a DD fill port

[Spawn-Inc]

well i see alot better what you mean. i'm not sure if that spring stuff would even work. but can you drill holes in these spots? marks by yellow.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8823/bentoy3.th.png (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bentoy3.png)

here is a better idea oh what i mean. A is the best spot since its straight in with no bends. b. you can flip the rad 180deg and put it throught those holes, provided there is no hdd there. c. and one of those sets of holes might work but would have bends, not sure if it would kink.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8494/bent2mv7.th.png (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bent2mv7.png)


the most ideal spot is right by the rad barbs so there is little to no bend at all.

[rebelliont56]

B could work but actually if u look closley there are circles there
i punched them out (they are meant for tubing they even supply plastic things to go inside so it doesnt cut the tubing BUT, the wholes are only for 1/4" ID sadly i think i could drill holes were A is, thanks a bunch man!

ill keep ya posted

[rebelliont56]

also, jw in what order do you think i should put the components

so far i have: res out -> pump in -> Rad -> CPU -> T-fitting attached to fill port -> Res in
heres a pic of it
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8769/dscn0396copyzw2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

if any of that sounds incorrect please correct me i know that i def have to pt res out into pump cuz ive just read that many places lol w.e

[Spawn-Inc]

glad i could help, keep the photo's coming too. i can't wait to get my first computer and water system up and running to. cash supply is at a trickle right now until i get a new job. i'm planning on spending about 2000-3000 total for my gaming pc. here is a list of what i want and have so far.

Have
Enermax Uber Chakra (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811124121)
Logitech G15 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126179)
Logitech MX Revolution (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104015&Tpk=MX%2bRevolution)
LG H26N SATA DVD Burner (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136120)
EVGA-NF68-A1 680i (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188013)
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250gb (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148262)

Don't have yet
Enermax 850watt DXX (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194020)
Core 2 Quad Q6600 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017)
EVGA 8800Ultra (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130090)
Samsung 226BW (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001096)
mushkin 2GB PC2 8500 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146677)
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250gb (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148262)

waiting until i have the computer built
Swiftech APOGEE GTX (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=199&products_id=21389)
Swiftech STEALTH GeForce® 8800 (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=240&products_id=21854)
Swiftech Radiator - MCR320 (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=200&products_id=4309)
Swiftech MCP655 (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=201&products_id=3112)
Swiftech MCRES-MICRO (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=318&products_id=3615)
ClearFlex 60 Tubing 1/2" ID 3/4" OD (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=292&products_id=1953)
Logitech Z5500 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836121120&Tpk=Logitech%2bZ5500)

then later down the road i would get some more ram and another 8800 once it gets older. or maybe sooner if i feel rich at the time.


also, jw in what order do you think i should put the components

so far i have: res out -> pump in -> Rad -> CPU -> T-fitting attached to fill port -> Res in
if any of that sounds incorrect please correct me i know that i def have to pt res out into pump cuz ive just read that many places lol w.e

i assume the res is near the psu. i'm not 100% sure about this but i'm going to run my setup res out > pump > cpu > gpu > rad > res in. i'm hoping that by doing it that way it will make the res a holding tank of chilled, well not chilled but cooled water.

[rebelliont56]

oh well that makes more sense cuz you have a gpu water block will do, good luck with ur pc,
what case are you building it in?

[Spawn-Inc]

ENERMAX Uber Chakra (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811124121)

i was going to go with a TT Amour but the chakra was half the cost and i didn't want to spend to much on a case. i just wanted a full tower or one with lots of room. i still would like a bit more room but ohwell. i've modded and painted the case gloss black, just the insides. as far as mods go all i did was add a lock to it as seen here (http://www.thebestcasescenario.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8338&highlight=lock+mod). i will go take a current picture of it with it painted and all.

here are the pictures you can also go here (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2704803240100511463XqnKRj) to view bigger picture of them.

finger prints... i know, i will clean it all once its done and ready to use.
http://inlinethumb56.webshots.com/3255/2704803240100511463S600x600Q85.jpg

opened up
http://inlinethumb38.webshots.com/4773/2466193640100511463S600x600Q85.jpg

my monster 250mm fan. i'm glad to have it to cool the whole board but i also wanted a window so i might cut out the other side and make one.
http://inlinethumb54.webshots.com/5749/2094886260100511463S600x600Q85.jpg

not the best picture (i have a crap cam) but its clear.
http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/6747/2225030890100511463S600x600Q85.jpg

mobo
http://inlinethumb20.webshots.com/4499/2382142890100511463S600x600Q85.jpg

mobo and my wire management thusfar.
http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/4881/2504887340100511463S600x600Q85.jpg

[rebelliont56]

wow beast case and nice cable managment skilladge,lol.....if u have that fan blowing onto the board i would sugest making a filter for the fan (since i don think they sell (at least i havent seen them) filters for 250cm fans))...good luck with it all!!!!

[Spawn-Inc]

ya thats a good idea, there is a 120mm fan in the front of the case with a air filter already installed. all the drive bay covers have filters too. i should go to a hardware store and look for some kind of filter for it, the 250mm. + rep for the idea. i never really thought of it before.

so whats all in your system?

[rebelliont56]

is cool, just lemmi tell ya one time i cleened out my mums old HP and it was like LITTERLY filled with dust soooooo GROSS lol......(i dispise dust hehe)......checkout mncptech.com (i think thats it just google it) they sell metall mesh filters they might sell a 250 one or they could make a cutsom one, cuz they look really cool....even anoized ones !

ttyl

[rendermandan]

I just skimmed over this post. why not take the radiator and flip it 180 deg so the barbs point out away from the back of the case, then just loop the tubes back around into the slot plate? Hope that makes sense.

[Spawn-Inc]

I just skimmed over this post. why not take the radiator and flip it 180 deg so the barbs point out away from the back of the case, then just loop the tubes back around into the slot plate? Hope that makes sense.

i was thinking of that too but it would create excess tubing and a chance for it to get pulled or w/e if ever it should be transported. plus the other way would look more "stealth" i think anyway. who knows a good idea none the less.

[dgrmkrp]

Why don't you try these?
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/16404_01.jpg (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=346_344&products_id=21843&zenid=7efa97db24ab939f7e171a45bded3c7f)

or something like this with 2 tube connections? you could use them to avoid tight bends :)

[rebelliont56]

well i agree with Spawn-incs comment about excess tubing cuz i was thinking the same hitng...and i thought about the elbow connectors but more coonnectors = more cash and more chances for leaks etc....i think ill just drill holes across from the rad barbs

[rendermandan]

so what effects does having excess tubing give you, good or bad?

[Jim Beam]

so what effects does having excess tubing give you, good or bad?

prolly causes added pressure in the system on the high side of the pump and may decrease pump life and efficiency.

[Spawn-Inc]

that extra amount would have no real bad effects just wouldn't look as nice. also about a foots worth of tubing is saved.


prolly causes added pressure in the system on the high side of the pump and may decrease pump life and efficiency.

no it wouldn't do that to my knowledge.

[rebelliont56]

very true on the amount of tubing saved, cuz like its tygon so its not cheap, i got 8 feet i just hope its enough...

[rebelliont56]

:D :D :D http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8769/dscn0396copyzw2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

so far that is my idea....where the tubes are in the pic is not actually were they will be i just drilled holes in the case directly infront of the rad barbs like in the picture if u follow the green lines.....but basically i was wondering if people thought there was anything wrong with this setup any comments ideas....tips for a 13t time pc builder /h2o cooling builder would be appreciated!

[Bucko]

I merged your threads as you don't really need two on the same thing.

Normally a W/C set up goes Res-Pump-CPU/GPU-rad-res so that the water gets cooled while it's at it's warmest, and then the res has the cool water there ready for another cycle.

Is that red thing the reservoir? Because it looks like you are trying to go from the CPU to the res, to the GPU block.

[rebelliont56]

oh ok sorry bout that.....yea i was gonna go res>pump>Rad>cpu>res

so that like the cpu gets the coldest water?

[rebelliont56]

oh the red thing is a t-connector to a fill port the rex u cant see cuz its clear is right next to the PSU

[Spawn-Inc]

wait a second... why do you have a res and fill port. the res should have one on it... instead of having a T you could attach the fill port to the top of the res.

[rebelliont56]

no i meant one of those danger den fill ports plus its easier to use...
because i built the whole h2o system last night and filled it and it WOKSSS!!!!
YAY OHHH YEA! lol
but yea a random question for every one, like do i hav eto bleed my system to the point where there are NO bubbles?......and again thanks for everyones help!

[Spawn-Inc]

did you doa 24hour leak test? with the water system out of the pc? that is highly advised, or at the very least only run the pump if already installed. if you using a die in the coolent you can wrap paper towal around each join and that should tell you its not leaking.

umm as far as bubbles go i've heard since there is a res in the system its find, they will collect in there. just top it up if its starts getting low. did you end up flipping the rad so the barbs are at the top of the case? if not then you probably have air trapped at the top of the rad. i read moving the case around helps to get rid of bubbles too.

[rebelliont56]

its all installed but theres nothing in the case cep that and the psu plus im using a non-conductive coolant.....and yes the 24 hr test is under way as i type

[Spawn-Inc]

awesome, hope it all works out for ya.

[jdbnsn]

I definately agree with spawn, drilling holes to provide a straight shot into the case from the rad barbs would eliminate the issue. Also, what type of tubing are you using? Tygon? Some materials king more easily than others.

[rebelliont56]

im using tygon...and the system is already done..so i guess ill upload some pics when i get a chance then,well this thread is kinda done unless other ppl have questions

[dgrmkrp]

Well... Is the pump fixed to the case somehow? Cause you could gently (not that gentle tho) shake the case and try turning it around, rotating it as shaking.. especially if you have the barbs opposite to where air could be trapped..

[rebelliont56]

yea its attached wia velcrow so its all good ive put it on its sidebut then like the tiny bit of air in the res ends up going into the system again and then bam i went backwards lol