10/100 question/poll

[Drum Thumper]

I need help from the consensus--is 10/100 good enough for music, or should I just bite the damn bullet, put up a few auctions on Ebay and jump up to gigabit?

[SgtM]

If you've got the extra money, why not upgrade to gigabit? Having said that though.. I've had no problems streaming music or DVD images across my 100 meg network.

[nil8]

100mb shouldn't be a problem for music streams.

[Luke122]

Think of it like this... avg mp3 is 128kbit, and you can stream that from the internet on your 1.5mb dsl connection with no problem. You could almost play that on an ISDN connection!

Even if your audio collection was all lossless audio, you could handle several streams simultaneously with 10mbit.

I use 100mbit in my home to stream videos and audio (at the same time) to multiple places, and have no troubles with dropout or quality. I can even play WoW or surf at the same time. :)

Gigabit is nice for moving large files around between PC's, but hasnt been necessary yet for streaming. :)

[Outlaw]

in short time, gigabit will be the new 10/100. I would just go with the gigabit. Personal preference I guess. Go Me! 1 vote. lol

[Spawn-Inc]

not to sound like a newb but is this about service providers or routers and such?

[Drum Thumper]

Routers and such.

[Zeus]

I think the answer to this question depends on where you are streaming from. If you are streaming from the internet, I think you will be far more limited by your ISP bandwith than even the 100MBps. If, however, you were connecting to another PC on your local network, then the gigabit would make a greater difference because you would have greater bandwidth directly between the two computers.

[Crazy Buddhist]

I think the answer to this question depends on where you are streaming from. If you are streaming from the internet, I think you will be far more limited by your ISP bandwith than even the 100MBps. If, however, you were connecting to another PC on your local network, then the gigabit would make a greater difference because you would have greater bandwidth directly between the two computers.

Not true for the reasons stated above. Gigabit Internet is useful for moving VERY large volumes of data between machines on a network. 100Mb/s ethernet is enough for the streaming needs of a moderately sized village and more than enough for most homes.

In short, more is only more when you actually use it. Unless your internet bandwidth exceeds 10Mb/s 10Mb/s ethernet will be fine (if you arent regularly moving large amounts of data round your network). Unless your internet bandwidth exceeds 100Mb/s 100Mb/s will be fine.

Anyone got incoming bandwidth of more than 100Mb/s??? Come on ... raise your hand .... and clear out your spare bedroom I'm coming over :banana:

[Outlaw]

I do agree with Crazy, but if you are buying new and can spot the few extra bucks. Why not get the gigabit? Eventually it will be used on a regular basis. And for your "more then 100Mb/s. Here (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289817,00.html) you go. That gigabit router and pc will slow you down!

[rendermandan]

Eventually it will be used on a regular basis.

True, but by the time that happens the equipment he buys today will be obsolete by then. I say go with 100,

[Outlaw]

10/100 will be obsolete before that though and then require him to upgrade again to the gigabit. The gigabit has a chance to last longer(in terms of existance) then the 10/100 will. I still stand on my opinion, but do see it from both sides. If he is only going to be streaming music and whatnot, go with 10/100, if you think are are going to be moving large files around in the near future, get the gigabit.

[rendermandan]

I see your point there. I guess I was under the impression that he already had the 10/100 equipment so my point was why spend the money now if you don't have to, Wait till you are forced to upgrade, and get brand new, better equipment then. thats all.

[Outlaw]

From what I read, he is looking to get a switch and was wondering which to get 10/100 or Gigabit. Just get one that supports all 3:).

10/100/1000 Switches (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=40000030%20115010988&Description=10%2F100%2F1000&bop=And&Order=PRICE) anywhere from 33.49(23.49 after MIB) up to 959.99 for 1-12 port switch.

10/100 Switches (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=40000030+115010988+1150210241&Description=10%2f100&name=10%2f100Mbps) anywhere from 25.99 up to 1371.99 for 1-12 port switch.

[modmansage]

i assume you mean streaming music and such, but do you mean from comp to comp in your network or off the internet.
as long as you have no intentions of setting up a large file server on your network and don't plan on getting a 100+mb/s internet connection, 10/100 can suit your needs.
but in the interest of new technology, i'd get gigabit stuff.

[Crazy Buddhist]

Outlaw .. yes you are right .. in that within five years or so Gigabit plus internet will be todays equivalent of dial-up. But by that time there may be entirely new networking technologies in use.

Interestingly in Moscow, Russia you can subscribe to a 100Mb/s internet connection. It costs around $50 a month. You can download an entire DVD in under two minutes.

I liked this:

'<b>"Sigbritt Lothberg, Will You Marry Me?"</b>

There are many obstacles to our relationship. You're 75 years old, but age doesn't matter to me. You live in central Sweden, which is kind of a long haul from New England. I'll commute. Both you and I are already married, which might be an impediment as well. But, Sigbritt, you have the world's fastest broadband connection, 40 Gigabits per second, and boy do I want that.'

'Sigbritt will now be able to enjoy 1,500 high definition HDTV channels simultaneously. Or, if there is nothing worth watching there, she will be able to download a full high definition DVD in just two seconds.'

unfortunately, according to reports, Sigbritt isn't exactly making the most of her high-speed connection: She only uses it to read Web-based newspapers.

How jealous?????????? What is a seventy five year old Grandmother doing with MY internet connection? Reading newspapers :O :D :D :D

[calumc]

is that actually true?

[modmansage]

i heard it was like 4.7gb/s...

[Outlaw]

It's a news company who knows. You would have to ask the people who are actually using it and/or set it up. And even if it is 4.7gb/s, that is still alot faster then any of us proabably use aside from any premium business class users.

[calumc]

i've got 1mb/s:) :) :)

[Outlaw]

I'm right around 5mb/s. I could only wish to have 4.7Gb/s let alone 40Gb/s. lol To get back on subject. Even if they do change the technology, your house network will probably still be able to use it. I would still get the gigabit, like the links show, the prices aren't all that different.

[Drum Thumper]

I see your point there. I guess I was under the impression that he already had the 10/100 equipment so my point was why spend the money now if you don't have to, Wait till you are forced to upgrade, and get brand new, better equipment then. thats all.

Yes, rendermandan, I already have the 10/100 equipment, along with enough Cat5 to quite possibly hard wire the whole apartment complex that I live in (long story there).

I realize that I will eventually have to jump up to Gig, which means a new router, wire, switches and a NIC or two, although most if not all newer mobos are coming with gigabit NICs onboard.

But until that day comes, I plan on getting as much use as possible out of what I have on hand.

[modmansage]

i'm kinda curious in the upload speed.
i have a cousin in Las Vegas who gets 28bmps download but only 512kbps upload.

[Crazy Buddhist]

I'm in London with 14Mb/s download and 1.47mb/s upload. ;)


is that actually true?

Apparantly yes. Her son is a networking expert and used a new technique in routing to show it could be done:

" STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) -- She is a latecomer to the information superhighway, but 75-year-old Sigbritt Lothberg is now cruising the Internet with a dizzying speed.

Lothberg's 40 gigabits-per-second fiber-optic connection in Karlstad is believed to be the fastest residential uplink in the world, Karlstad city officials said.

In less than 2 seconds, Lothberg can download a full-length movie on her home computer -- many thousand times faster than most residential connections, said Hafsteinn Jonsson, head of the Karlstad city network unit.

Jonsson and Lothberg's son, Peter, worked together to install the connection.

The speed is reached using a new modulation technique that allows the sending of data between two routers placed up to 1,240 miles apart, without any transponders in between, Jonsson said.

"We wanted to show that that there are no limitations to Internet speed," he said.

Peter Lothberg, who is a networking expert, said he wanted to demonstrate the new technology while providing a computer link for his mother.

"She's a brand new Internet user," Lothberg said by phone from California, where he lives. "She didn't even have a computer before."

His mother isn't exactly making the most of her high-speed connection. She only uses it to read Web-based newspapers"

[Crazy Buddhist]

although most if not all newer mobos are coming with gigabit NICs onboard.

... which are backwards compatible with all your existing kit.

[Crazy Buddhist]

is that actually true?

I have emailed Peter Lothberg to clarify exactly what service his ma now has and on the way discovered some interesting bits:

http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=33&page_number=4

Peter Lothberg is the ultimate optical Internet guru, although you wouldn't guess it from his Web site, http://www.stupi.se, which displays a garden shed with the caption: "The Main Office of STUPI" (STUPI being the name of his company).

All the same, some very powerful people from the networking world come to kneel at Lothberg's feet. Cisco, for instance, says it designed its GSR12000 backbone router with his requirements in mind. And Sprint, we hear, has based much of its Internet infrastructure strategy on what Lothberg says.

Lothberg says that he was sent by God to network the planet. He may be joking.

[Outlaw]

Yes, rendermandan, I already have the 10/100 equipment, along with enough Cat5 to quite possibly hard wire the whole apartment complex that I live in (long story there).

On that, I say stay with what you have until it no longer fulfills your needs/wants, then upgrade, no reason to pay to replace something that is effecient in what you need. I thought you were looking to get 10/100 or gigabit. Sorry.

[Spawn-Inc]

i take it when a it says "2 x 10/100/1000 LAN via" it stands for 10/100 and gigabit?

[Crazy Buddhist]

i take it when a it says "2 x 10/100/1000 LAN via" it stands for 10/100 and gigabit?

Yes and if that is off a MOBO description sounds like you have dual Ethernet ports on it.

[Spawn-Inc]

yuppers :D

i gots me a EVGA NF68-A1 (http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/2006/board/n680isli/evga0000_n680isli/overview.jpg)



just a side question if you remove the thermal paste will that void the warranty and not allow me to RMA it?

[Crazy Buddhist]

Peter Lothberg to my great surprise replied to my email asking about his mums internet connection details here (http://www.thebestcasescenario.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9697)

[Outlaw]

That's awesome. I want to connect into the backbone too! lol

[Crazy Buddhist]

That's awesome. I want to connect into the backbone too! lol

does make something of a difference .. it's all about connections though :(

haha loool

[lukeisthecoolest]

i use a 10/100 router and run 2 comps on it and i only get lag on my CS:S games every once in a while (i make up for it in skill ;))

[Outlaw]

i use a 10/100 router and run 2 comps on it and i only get lag on my CS:S games every once in a while (i make up for it in skill ;))

I have a similar setup with a 10/100 router (linksys) and have 3 computers wired and 1 wireless. My brother games on the wireles I game on one of the wired, I run a 1.6 server off 1 of the wired and my wife can surf the web on the other 1 with out any issues.