If anyone has seen the posts on Mayhem's new line of Aurora and Aurora+ fluids, and was frustrated with the announcement it will not be in the US for a long time, I think I have something to show you.
Video will be forthcoming. Also more pics, but my batteries are charging. All the rechargeables are flat.
Still tweaking the mixes, but I have an interesting few colors to play with. Still need more stuff. If anyone wants to sponsor me with blocks, tubing or dyes...
09-16-2011, 07:37 PM
Fuganater
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
Wow you made that? I can't wait to see what else you come up with.
09-16-2011, 07:38 PM
Kayin
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
I have a lot in store, my health and Snort's health are the major limiting factors.
Hopefully video of it later tonight.
09-16-2011, 07:53 PM
Fuganater
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
I hope all goes well for you two.
I really wanna know how this will react with blocks over an extended period of time. If others are interested in helping, I can purchase some tubing for you.
Have you thought about posting this on kickstarter.com to get funding?
09-16-2011, 08:20 PM
Kayin
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
I'm running it in a loop with a block now, but I think I know what will happen. Mayhem did it first, and while I didn't ask him or any of his testers how he did it, I'm able to use a lot of what he did to understand what I have to do next.
I'll be tossing it in a Kryos soon, so if it passes that it'll pass anything.
09-16-2011, 09:38 PM
SXRguyinMA
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
I want some in UV green!
Also, I have a Tt waterblock for trades :D
09-16-2011, 09:39 PM
Kayin
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
Testing colors... I have video, just need to have enough bandwidth to upload it.
Curiously, it's running through a Tt waterblock in my test loop.
09-16-2011, 10:17 PM
Kayin
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
Colors live show... More video to come...
09-16-2011, 10:19 PM
SXRguyinMA
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
yea, I need some of that!
09-16-2011, 10:21 PM
Kayin
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
I'm still testing stuff right now, and I'm in talks with a company at the moment. It's not 100% in suspension yet-it's just adjusting amounts but it's still gonna take some time. Give me the weekend to work, though I'm getting a video of it running in a loop up right now.
09-16-2011, 11:44 PM
AmEv
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
I'm not a big fan of WCing, but HOLY BATMAN THAT IS AWESOME!!!1!
09-17-2011, 03:39 AM
Fuganater
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
Yep I like them alot. I want Orange and UV Orange!
Let me know what happens with that company or Kickstarter. If you dont get on kickstarter I'll get some tubing for you. If you do, Ill give ya a nice donation so I can get some :D
09-17-2011, 01:11 PM
Kayin
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
First video of it running, it's doing fine. There was no deposition in this test. Block has been swapped with a VGA-Supreme.
09-17-2011, 02:01 PM
Diamon
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
What is that stuff and how does it compare to water cooling-wise?
09-17-2011, 02:05 PM
Kayin
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
While the formula is a trade secret (and copyrighted) it's a few degrees off pure water-both the suspension agent and the anticorrosives will add a bit to the temps.
It's not meant to beat water-it's something for those people who like to be a little more showy with their systems.
09-17-2011, 03:51 PM
msmrx57
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
Kinda makes me want to water cool something. Very "cool" indeed. :up:
09-17-2011, 04:13 PM
SXRguyinMA
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
yea I definitely need some of that for my MS mod
09-17-2011, 04:18 PM
Fuganater
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
Can you take of video of it going through the acrylic block?
09-17-2011, 05:14 PM
Kayin
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
I have some pictures coming, but video may wait for a bit. I have a criminally low cap on my internet, but Monday I'll go borrow the hospital's net to do some uploading.
More chemicals came in, including my new dispersant. We'll see how it goes.
09-17-2011, 09:19 PM
AmEv
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
Data caps... frustrating....
AFAIK, I haven't had to deal with data caps.
09-17-2011, 10:32 PM
Kayin
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
Some running pics in an injector block...
The res picture is after sitting idle all night, I hit the go button and it dispersed immediately, no clumping.
Also, after some requests...
Requests by (L to R) Luthien, SXR, Fuganater and DarthBeavis. They are all UV active.
I'm still awaiting funds for my ultimate, Cerenkov, but it'll be soon.
09-17-2011, 10:36 PM
SXRguyinMA
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
That's stuff is SWEEETT!!!! I've got the EK block with the jet plate and the tiny fins - think it'll be an issue with that at all? I could send it to you to test if you want
09-17-2011, 10:38 PM
Kayin
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
I'm running it in a test loop right now, with no real issues to support. I'll PM you later about the stuff-Snort is watching his first Godzilla movie!
09-18-2011, 01:20 AM
Kayin
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
Luthien's fluid up and running ATM-it's a lighter color, but I'll get some pics in a bit that show it's still pearl as well.
And, I submit to you the holy grail. A TRUE silver.
Eat it, physics!
09-18-2011, 02:52 AM
Fuganater
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
I cant wait!!
09-18-2011, 09:16 AM
SgtM
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
Looks to me like powdered pearls added to whatever the liquid is. Nevertheless, it's bad ass!!!!
09-18-2011, 11:04 AM
Fuganater
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
Looks like Mayhem is speaking up in the bit-tech thread. Lets us know what he says.
09-18-2011, 12:47 PM
Kayin
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
It looks like we might combine forces after all. We both have a lot to share, and I think it might mean a better product in the end.
09-18-2011, 01:34 PM
x88x
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
Bloody hell, mate, that's awesome! *looks at post*...wow, I've been spending too much time around british people...anyways...
Is this the result of that nano-particle stuff you were working with? Hmmm...I might have to redesign my loop so there's a spot I can show it off. A silvery-blue would be awesome. :D OOC, did you ever figure out the issues you were having with the white?
09-18-2011, 01:48 PM
Kayin
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
I'm talking with Mayhem now about issues here and there. This looks to be a little ways out yet-he's helping me identify problems before they affect me. His professional candor is amazing.
09-18-2011, 03:22 PM
Kayin
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
All right, heads up.
A few announcements.
Argentum Solar will be coming back. Yes, my nanofluid still lives.
Mayhem is helping me sort my fluid, whatever he says about the end product goes.
Cerenkov will be accelerated to the fore. Nobody has this stuff. Nobody. However, it'll take a good bit of testing.
Those I have spoken to about testing know how that's going. Generally, I'm going to guinea pig in my systems first, and assume all liabilities for doing so. When I feel confident, it will start going to my first testers. The toxicity is unacceptable, and I'm going to be reformulating to something like Argentum.
Let the age of fluid innovation begin!
09-18-2011, 04:07 PM
SXRguyinMA
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
09-18-2011, 04:37 PM
AmEv
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
I nominate that ^^^^^ smiley to be in the TBCS collection.
09-19-2011, 12:55 AM
Konrad
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
The engineer inside me has questions about these pearlescent fluids.
Are those reflective particles metallic? Can they be cycled through magnetic solenoid pumps? Will they separate, precipitate, or solidify if permitted to sit undisturbed for too long? Do they gradually abrade/haze the inner surfaces of transparent plastics? Or aggragate layers (electroplate) onto metals like copper? Are they toxic, mutagenic, smelly, nasty?
In light of your recent PM to me asking about certain substances (which may or may not be the actual ones you finally used in your pretty pearly goop) I also wonder if these fluids are flammable or are corrosive (that is, at least insofar as acting as a reducing agent to break down certain plastics: ie, transparent polymer-rubber tubes).
I know you don't have (or are not yet willing to share) hard numbers, but how does the thermal efficiency compare to plain water or common coolants? Better? Have you determined the vapour point or phase-change behaviour across the expected temp range, and does the fluid (along with these thermal properties) remain homogenous/consistent across these temps?
Are they suited for phase-change (vacuum/compression refrigeration) cooling as well, like a freon-type fluid?
Can the concentration/opacity of pearly particles be increased if a lubricant is added to the mixture, perhaps a superfine PTFE or silicon mix? Are they fine enough to be used in capillary (heat-pipe) cooling systems? And, just curious - for my own demented reasons - have you measured their electrical conductivity?
Um. That's about it lol.
09-19-2011, 01:47 AM
Kayin
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
It's late tonight, but I'll have answers to a lot of those questions on hand for you in the morning. It's another doctor's office day.
09-20-2011, 01:17 PM
Kayin
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
Not dead, just busy. Little Snort has a LOT of appointments. There's more info coming, and I picked up some more equipment to test on. Also, I've now nailed a good line on RO water, so I can start to improve the mix.
Patience, friends-we're just getting started this time...
09-20-2011, 02:02 PM
Fuganater
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
No worries bud.
09-24-2011, 03:21 AM
RogueOpportunist
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
I still think liquid cooling is boring... Get that stuff pumping through a 2400rpm fan and you'll have my attention...
09-24-2011, 04:39 PM
Luthien
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
I'm running the green fluid now. I'll be posting pics later today.
09-24-2011, 05:44 PM
Kayin
Re: If you think liquid cooling is boring...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Konrad
The engineer inside me has questions about these pearlescent fluids.
Are those reflective particles metallic? Can they be cycled through magnetic solenoid pumps? Will they separate, precipitate, or solidify if permitted to sit undisturbed for too long? Do they gradually abrade/haze the inner surfaces of transparent plastics? Or aggragate layers (electroplate) onto metals like copper? Are they toxic, mutagenic, smelly, nasty?
In light of your recent PM to me asking about certain substances (which may or may not be the actual ones you finally used in your pretty pearly goop) I also wonder if these fluids are flammable or are corrosive (that is, at least insofar as acting as a reducing agent to break down certain plastics: ie, transparent polymer-rubber tubes).
I know you don't have (or are not yet willing to share) hard numbers, but how does the thermal efficiency compare to plain water or common coolants? Better? Have you determined the vapour point or phase-change behaviour across the expected temp range, and does the fluid (along with these thermal properties) remain homogenous/consistent across these temps?
Are they suited for phase-change (vacuum/compression refrigeration) cooling as well, like a freon-type fluid?
Can the concentration/opacity of pearly particles be increased if a lubricant is added to the mixture, perhaps a superfine PTFE or silicon mix? Are they fine enough to be used in capillary (heat-pipe) cooling systems? And, just curious - for my own demented reasons - have you measured their electrical conductivity?
Um. That's about it lol.
All right, from the top.
No.
Yes, If you mean the DC pumps we use in the PC watercooling industry. If you mean the MHD pumps for liquid gallium loops, no.
Yes, to a point. No dispersant I've tested is perfect (or permanent) but it goes back into solution immediately upon water motion.
Testing is ongoing. At this point, I'm inclined to say no.
No.
A whole bunch of nos.
Neither corrosive or flammable.
First tests are within 2-3 degrees C. Worse than distilled, but well within acceptable for a premix.
I have, and it does, but that's going to be a problem to randomly publish. I'll PM you later.
No, as it stays a solid in suspension, so a phase-change type setup will really wreak havoc on it.
One is included by necessity to keep them suspended. The lubricant/surfactant is a known food safe additive. There is a saturation point, but up to that differing amounts produce wildly varied effects.
Possibly so, being 20-40nm in size.
Anything added to distilled will change it to being conductive. This fluid is no exception. However, the base is generally nonconductive. Triboelectrically it's kinda fun though.
Appreciate the questions, keep them coming. There's a LOT of testing going on over here. Luthien has the first prototypical loop running with a version of Flare that's almost been obsoleted. I have a version on my desk that goes form opaque to clear (tinted purple-blue) depending on light sources and is as safe as Kool-Aid, unless you're a diabetic.