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Pics of it in use, we're now entering long-term temps monitoring. We'll tell you how it goes.
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Pics of it in use, we're now entering long-term temps monitoring. We'll tell you how it goes.
I have a friend that would probably kill to have this by next friday
I don't feel it's ready to go to market, nor will it be by next Friday. Kill nothing, he'd have to fund development. And that wouldn't guarantee his loop would be OK.
lol, thanx for taking the time to answer my inane barrage of questions, Kayin. Kudos to you for having done (and are still doing) your research. Your pearly goop is really pretty, and I really hope nobody misquotes that into a sig line.
Triboelectric, you say? I wonder if this property can be used to create some sort of electrically-stimulated "lava-lamp" effect for display purposes? In fact, I wonder if it might allow "separate" pearly particles to be mixed/suspended within the same solution. You might even be able to encourage "flourescent lighting" if you plug them into a (very low-voltage!) alternating current, say, any old cold-cathode inverter/ballast box; although this effect might necessitate some UV-reactive or phosphorescent additives in the solution. Then again it might cause some kind of explosion, lol.
Looking forward to your PM, lol, though I'll remind you I ain't no chemist. I just know metallurgy and semiconductors. A little.
Initial testing shows it's just fine in the most complex/restrictive block I can find, an AC Kryos. It's even a heavier concentration so I can really abuse it. Shows no issues.
Currently have two more loops (silver and a color I'm thinking I'll call Papa Midnight) in my own PC in nasty configs like mixed metals and stacked radiators. Because I can't control how people use my coolant, I may as well test everything I can.
Don't look for this anytime soon, though. Money for development is gone, and while I'll certainly be observing the longtime behavior of the fluid, at this point I'm not going to be able to bring this to market. It just costs way too much.
How much you talking? You could have some potential investors lurking around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayin
Well, chemicals are cheaper in bigger amounts, and I'm making a switch to RO water simply because the stuff I have isn't as pure.
The other issue I have is a lack of real want to step on Mick's toes, even if we're not using the same formula or colors. Cerenkov will pull directly from the base materials of Flare, so it's a drop-in change. It's also not copying anything from anyone.
If people want to sponsor materials in exchange for fluid (because donations for this kinda feel wrong-I would want someone to have something to show for it) I'll look into exactly what it costs without revealing my formula.
If we wanna turn this into a TBCS exclusive thing, I think that there's more interest here than anywhere else.
I'll confess that my interest sorta dived when you stated the pearly goop is 2-3C less efficient than other fluids. My builds concentrate on maximized efficiency, not aesthetic ... actually, to me a buncha LEDs or custom paint job really look completely unattractive unless they actually indicate useful things or somehow improve performance. Ergo, I have not yet submitted any "mods" to TBCS, 'cuz they look purty to me but fugly to people with actual taste in the cosmetic.
Well, I do have a nanofluid that runs rather close to water...
I'm not worried about it being 2-3C off, that swirling and UV green would be perfect in the res and clear 1/4" tubing in my MS mod :D and I've got a 2x120 and a 1x140 rad, so I'm not too worried about a few ºC's
The two testers I've spoken to, one has PMed me, the other one needs to as well so I can sort that out.
I'm just moving very slowly here. This isn't even as complex as Argentum, which I really need to get my reviewer to write up, but it has its own pitfalls.
With this stuff in loop testing, I'm moving ahead to a unique idea of my own. I'll be announcing it, as well as testers for it when I have my hands on some more raw materials.
Woke up with a fun idea, check this out.
Dye bomb!
Take roughly 30 oz of water...
This is a 3oz dye bomb, containing a concentrated version of Flare.
Shake liberally to make sure all materials are in suspension...
Pour into water...
32 oz (roughly) of Flare!
It's a WIP, but I may do no premixes and just send it out like this if I do anything with it. It's actually pretty easy to do these.
Also, more running pics-this time in a system!
Still finishing wiring up my system, but for now it's running beautifully through the blocks/rads. No appreciable fallout that I can see. Time will tell. And I'll still be needing plenty of that.
Loving the color mix! That's simple enough to make at home, and shipping 3oz as opposed to 32oz would be cheaper too no? :think:
Thats looking awesome... The dye bomb idea sounds good to me. Heres hoping you get through the testing.
I'm all for this idea. I just sent Kayin a "stimulus package" :D
I will be sending one tonight as well :D
I'll be sending one as soon as I can afford it.
So far the green is still running well in my system. According to AMD OverDrive, the highest temps have been 22.0 C (after hours of playing LOTRO). It's usually 18-19.5 C.
Further testing has me moving toward a superconcentrate (the "dye bomb" that I've been playing with-they've all passed the first tests and are getting ready for loops of their own.
Also, I should have a new toy by the end of the week or so. Something I think we'll all really enjoy.
this almost makes me want to go to water cooling.
With Fuganater's stimulus package, I've greatly expanded my test facilities!
I've got a shear/breakdown test loop (Bitspower res with their tiny anticyclone fitting hooked to a D4,) a worst case loop with a D4 in a TyphoonIII to see how D5 integrated reservoirs (like the Myriad and the Monsoon, as well as FrozenQ's new reservoirs) handle the fluid and a loop with a 401x2, DDC 3.1, EK VGA-Supreme and XSPC RS120 to simulate loop conditions. This is in addition to the loops in our personal rigs. It's actually let me test a few new tricks super-fast without having to sit and wait for days-like telling me a really nice-looking blue I came up with was just infeasible in a loop situation-it never stopped frothing long enough to stare at.
More pics...
This held such promise...
It looked so good...
And turned into a blue-gray blur in two of my loops. I still may try it with the slower one and see how it fares.
And this is the finalized Papa Midnight formula. This (if there's ever a real release) is one of the finalized colors.
Even in the breakdown loop it's just giving two middle fingers to the D4.
Papa Midnight is a decently well tested color, and will be on "the list" for whatever comes in the future.
More is coming-including some new stuff you won't believe till you see...
Looks good! I hope the gear helps out.
nice!
Hows this old up to repeated Heat/Cool cycles?
i'd just wonder if it would stay emulsified after a few months of cycles if your adding that mixture right into the water itself.
( i kinda like the accidental dark blue color btw )
It's in loop testing now. I know all my additives can handle loop temps, it's how they do it all together.
I have other stuff in the works that's well more proven than this. Just working on getting everything together in one place.
s2#t does look promising, i'd strike out a pending patent design (like 200$) and go from there if you think this is actually something that could be mass marketed. because i'd certainly add this into a loop if you can iron out the problems and do some serious stress testing with your formulas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayin
You might try some chemistry forums as well. forums are always the best answer to any problem it seems these days.
Mayhem did a worldwide patent on it. Mine is pretty similar to his chemistry wise, so I think I might run into issues there.
I'm using this to finalize a really interesting (and not related) idea for a better coolant as well as something that's much more visually striking. It'll get its own thread when the stuff gets here.
Speaking of Mayhem...is he throwing you under the bus?
http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthrea...=1#post2828987
O_o... ^ Wow... pretty strong wording there on his part... I'm pretty sure you havn't sold any of it, and have expressed all your safety concern's... Not to mention from what i've read you havn't let any of the fluid escape the confines of your testing areas...
I have other, nonrelated items coming that will prove that I'm more than just an imitator. Believe me, there's lots of neat stuff here in my lab that's waiting to get out. It'll be fun getting them out and into the wild.
The best way to beat someone? Prove them wrong. I have plenty of tricks besides being able to look at something and replicate it.
If only my shipments would get in.
That stuff is definitely impressive! I really like that silver mixture you have! :D
Are you looking for testers? I'll pay the shipping or whatever to get some of that papa blue and record results for you.
Depending on my funds, I might be willing to do the same with some of that silver :D
If it were that simple, I'd have people doing that right now.
Silver was a screwed-up one-shot that failed in loop testing. It had to do with my old carrier fluid, and the new one is great (fallout over the course of a week with no agitation versus fallout over minutes or hours) but it costs me more, and I have to travel to get it. I was considering doing a list, but I hate charging people anything (even shipping) for a product I don't know if will fail. It's hard to guarantee anything right now-I have a fluid that's been running beautifully in a high-pressure high speed loop, but dunno what it will do when it gets to a lower speed/pressure one-but I know my new dyes stain tubes bad. It's not a problem from the viewpoint of the fluid was easily visible but it is if you wanna change colors.
I can do a non-staining version of most colors. I think I can do an easily made non-staining Papa Midnight, but it would be a limited edition... The problem is cost. Silver will require new materials (gold, copper and bronze are possible too) and all of it needs more carrier fluid, which I'm low on ATM. It's almost like needing preorders to test it. SXR and Fuganater will get theirs as they helped fund testing for the stuff I have now and got into a usable state. My premix is 100% ready to go, when I make another batch. So I could open up ordering for my premix which is clear and should come in 16 and 32 oz bottles (All-American as well guys) if anyone is interested. Premix could fund the rest, making it possible, but with our income so low I don't want to take food from our mouths to fund an endeavor that may be ultimately futile. Nor do I want to solicit money for a product that might be a huge flop.
At any rate, premix ordering should open soon. If it takes off, these will come back. Even then, I don't expect that I'll see them take off-even without Mayhem's having a large presence in the US, he has fierce brand loyalty, and he well deserves it-he's a great innovator. Also, he has a worldwide patent on the stuff. Kinda shot out the gate here.
Anyway, there ya go, if anyone still has questions I'll be glad to field them.
Actually, the fluid itself may not require dye if the tubes are deliberately stained beforehand. I've never thought of dyeing the tubes before, but it seems like a great idea applicable to some mod projects. Permanently translucent UV-reactive tubing seems kinda neat, especially since it obviates the need for dyes to be present in the cooling fluid itself, or possibly, could augment overall visual impact when combined with dyed coolants in same or different colours.
Unless the reverse becomes a problem; that is, the dye staining just doesn't have permanent staying power. Or the fluid - at least fluids with suspended particles, like those above - gradually (and unevenly) abrades the "permanent" dye away as it circulates. Or the staining somehow chemically degrades the tubing plastics or reacts undesirably with certain coolant additives. (This last seems unlikely, but I suppose it's better to test than to assume.)
Perhaps you could shift your experimentation into providing a market for custom-coloured tubing? Perhaps even combine it with coloured blocks, fittings, and pump chassis (made from dyed plastics or dyed anodized aluminum) ... just an idea.
Dyed tubing is made with it in the PVC granules, and it's very, very popular.
I have a way to make it without dyes, just more upfront cost for me. Something I can't do right now, but will look at revisiting in the future.
OOO WOW ......ASWM vdo....:)good work well done
Hows it coming Kayin? I'd like to see some orange soon. My project is due in 16 days and your coolant would look great in it.
I've got one bottle of orange concentrate here, but a sudden downturn in my health has stopped stuff for a bit. I've been able to create a repeatable formula that's safe, performs better, and is simpler to make, it's now getting enough chemicals together to get the samples out to all the people that need them.
Been in and out of the hospital with shortness of breath, and found it's both rib deformities from Marfan's and severe osteoarthritis of said ribs. So in other words, it's not gonna get better, but it will get worse. That kinda ate up what spare money we had. At this point, my general thoughts are to get this stuff to the people who helped with financial/gear contributions and then I'm not sure how much more will get done. All the money I had to develop with went out the window. I might sell some stuff, but even that would be more likely to buy groceries than to develop anything else. All our bills are paid, I just have nothing to develop with.
I really dunno what to do with it other than shelf it. Any attempts at marketing will most likely get a nice lawsuit brought against me, and while I have my own premix and nanofluid using nobody else's anything, it costs a fairly large amount of money to do anything with it. For now, I'm thinking.
damn dude sorry to hear :( hope all gets better soon!
