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and one other thing
a F1 engine is restricted to 3 liters natural aspirated and 1.5 liters if its forced induction (turbo or super charging)
So a F1 v12 engine puts out roughly 800 hp from 3 liters of fuel
they veyron needs w16 with 4 turbo chargers to make 1001 hp
just to get it into perspective
Its because the F1 cars use such a small V12 engine (easy to cool, lots of hp) that it only uses 3 liters. I think it would be fun to mod the Bugatti though <money/> :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GT40_GearHead
Thing is F1 engines are so light they only last one race apparently.
So the Veyron is heavy car with a heavyier engine one that is made to last.
I love that. At 400km/h the tyres last 50mins. But the fuel only lasts another 13mins. lol
progbuddy, did you say small .....?
is this small enough :D:D
wOW... I have to post here... lots of interesting comments....
PLUS I'm an F1 freak.
F.r.e.a.k.
They Veyron does have 1k bhp... but it consumes aproximately 2000 hp cooling the engine. Yeah, I'm not ****ing around.Quote:
Originally Posted by GT40_GearHead
Between water pumps, oil pumps, fans for the water radiators, oil radiators, etc etc... there goes 2000 hp in cooling. COOLING!
So, if you think about it, the engine makes around 3000hp.
It's absurd, really.
Fun.
I love engineering.
Fast. Quick. Terminology.
Depends on which F1 track...
I'm positive the Veyron will woop an 2007 F1's ass around the Nurburghring [sp?].
Around a smaller track? Say, Monaco?
Damn straight the F1 will woop the Veyron.
"angry bug" LOL LOL LOL
Bugatti was such a great company.
Ettore Bugatti, when asked why he didn't install hydrualic brakes in his cars, is quoted as replying
Damn straight.Quote:
I don't build my cars for stopping. I build them for going.
He drove his company two times to the ground.
He was really an artist that made cars.
Not much of an engineer, if you ask me.
The key element here is weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by simon275
The Veyron weights a freaking ****load, compared to an F1 car.
Colin Chapman (w00t Brits!), is quoted:::
I love that quote.Quote:
For speed and agility, add lightness.
(for those of you that don't know, Mr. Chapman founded nothing less that Lotus Cars... ohh sweet Europas.)
This is in the spirit of TBCS, no flame-wars... just discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by GT40_GearHead
GT40, where you get that?
If I'm not mistaken, the 2007 rules for F1 have V8 engines.
F1 hasn't used V12 since... uff... various years (half a decade?).
And they don't permit turbo and/or supercharging (officially called SuperTurboCharging).
For example, if given the choice between a 3liter aspirated, and a 1.5 boosted, I'd go with the boosted any freaking day of the century.
Slap a three-phase turbo system in there, and produce what? 60? 80? 120 psi of boost?
google when possible, "F1 turbo era".
You'll see engines under 1.3 liters (that's 1,300 cc people!!!) making OVER 1,500 HP in qualifying trim.
ANOTHER point:::
Last year, F1 placed new rules that would have you use the same engine, tires and setup that you used in Qualifying, for the start of the race.
This is an important point, because before, F1 had basically two cars.
The Qualifying cars, and the Race cars.
The Qualifying cars were an ENTIRELY different beast than the Race car.
Smaller brakes (wouldn't last 4 laps)... smaller air ducts (not much cooling, but less drag).
Higher downforce...
Different engine maps/software settings.
Different shocks/springs.
Different tires.
Smaller fuel tank.
Etc.
etc. etc. etc. etc. and etc. for ever and ever.
So, the 800hp could be the race car... but those figures are HIGHLY guarded.
Case-in-Point::: Ferrari supplies engines to Renault, but if Renault so much as turns/loosens one of the restricted nuts/bolts of that engine, they're going to get a legal ass whoopin'.
Basically, Renault is running engines that they can't open up.
Although the F1 makes more power with less displacement, and no turbos, you have to keep in mind that the Veyron CAN (yes, yes, it CAN) be used as a Daily Driver.
I would HARDLY call an F1 car a daily driver (crap... with a 5,500 RPM IDLE speed!).
They Veyron will last years... the F1... it doesn't last 1.003 races.
Again, I don't think F1 has used a V12 engine configuration for over half a decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by progbuddy
And I *think* the displacement limit on the V10s was 2.9 liters... I am really not sure about that figure.
As to cooling, maybe you ain't aware of it, but did you know that, the hotter you can run an engine, the more efficient it'll be? The more power it'll produce?
Problem is, damaging the parts... and isolating the intake air and fuel from the high temps.
But ideally, damn, we'd be running engines at 1,500 degrees.
That was fun! Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by GT40_GearHead
Anyways, that's the end of my rant.
If I'm wrong in something, by all means, please correct me. :)
w00000t !!!!!
I love F1!!!!
lol i saw that before. Did you say small? XD. Look at this. It hauls ass w/ a motorcycle engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by GT40_GearHead
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I think you're all missing the point. Sure, dragsters, F1 cars, etc. etc.
But the veyron is a production car. Take all your racing cars out of the equation and what do you have to compare it with?
Mercedez Benz SLR McLarenQuote:
Originally Posted by xmastree
Sorry Prog... but the SLR doesn't even come close to the Bugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by progbuddy
Not in top speed... not in sheer power.
Heck, placed by the side of the Bugatti, the SLR looks like a regular, off-the-mill MB.
Maybe the McLaren F1.
Just my opinion prog! :)
I could name a few cars that would come close:Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ@PR
-Ford GT (NOT the mustang GT) w/ Boss 302
-Saleen S7
-Ferrari 599
P.S. My favorite badass car is the new Skyline GT-R.
