Community PC

I was not going to say this but I am now.

I have not took any part so far in the the whole community PC because from the start I could see everybody falling out over it. Remember too many cooks spoil the broth - and I think serveral people all trying to input for one idea is not going to work. I know some people are really excited about this, but at the end of the day it is upto the kid and what he/she wants.

Minty I completely agree. Ther is five words in your post which I thing mean more than what everybody has posted about this so far. 'This is' 'from the heart.'

This will be my first and last post on the matter

Nuff sed

-gaz

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Originally Posted by gaz_the_chav

I was not going to say this but I am now.

I have not took any part so far in the the whole community PC because from the start I could see everybody falling out over it. Remember too many cooks spoil the broth - and I think serveral people all trying to input for one idea is not going to work. I know some people are really excited about this, but at the end of the day it is upto the kid and what he/she wants.

Minty I completely agree. Ther is five words in your post which I thing mean more than what everybody has posted about this so far. 'This is' 'from the heart.'

Nuff sed

-gaz

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Yeah, I know about the whole falling out problem. My school robotics team was overpopulated in the manufacturing department and didn't get **** done. now, there's somewhere around 8 people as opposed to 30.

But here's the good thing about it -- we have no say in the design. So all we're really doing is shooting the ****, tossing around ideas (and some fruitcakes suggesting that we try to make a profit off of this...) and so forth. But as gaz and minty said, this is from the heart, not just of one person, but all involved, to the child. I don't care if they don't use it. I don't care if they don't have a nice internet connection. I don't care that we could make money selling it. This is supposed to be completely selfless.

Well I'm not sure that anyone was trying to make money off of it, just _more_ money to give to a charity. I am staying out of the "design" and only offering parts as they are needed.

Anywhoo, I personally think that the idea of building a custom computer for some deserving child is better than throwing money at a charity. Let the bankers do that and we can do something we are good at; build a kick butt system for a kid that will enjoy it better than the dell that they would otherwise get. The sum of the parts will be greater than the $$ they would bring in.

Again I personally do not give money to charities, I donate needed items and give of my time, which means 100% of my donation gets to the person that needs it.

The idea is nice, it's for a good cause. Is there any need though? Hell, any want?

Emotions aside.

Get in touch with someone with make a wish foundation, make an offer, and see if any kid wants one.

If nobody wants it, your time has been wasted.


If that falls through, Call up a children's hospital. I'm pretty sure they could use a station. Kids go in and come out of hospitals like that all the time. Someone would love it.

Sorry for sounding pessimistic, however I'm only being practical.

Paul has posted that Make A Wish gets about 60 requests per year for computers, not all of them can be filled. We're just waiting on the word from them to move forward.

I thought I read through it well enough. Well, you miss some, then look like an idiot, or an ass. Either way, have it written in stone before you move. Then get it done in <1 month. Hell the kid might not live longer than that.

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Originally Posted by Maz

I thought I read through it well enough. Well, you miss some, then look like an idiot, or an ass. Either way, have it written in stone before you move. Then get it done in <1 month. Hell the kid might not live longer than that.

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No looking like asses around here, it's buried a few pages deep in another thread. It's all good.

The whole "Community" part of the project was that everybody had their say. So far, nothing like that has happened. Already, somebody did something on their own (good for them) but without consulting the group.

Quite a few members of the group have voiced their opinions on what they want. NO, we don't want to make a profit, we just want the money to be given to multiple charities.

IMHO, money is far more useful to a charity. For example, if we raised $5000, and 50 kids wanted to see their dad for one last time, and it would cost $100 to make that happen, thats 50 kids happy, instead of just one.

If you donated to cancer research, how many peoples lives may change because of that? 1000s. If the money we donated could give everybody one extra day with that loved one, wouldn't that be better than making one child happy?

I know it sounds selfish, but its just my opinion. I don't want this kid to lose out, im just saying their are much better causes. I doubt a single person on this forum has not been affected by cancer.

Just my $0.02

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Originally Posted by chedabob

IMHO, money is far more useful to a charity. For example, if we raised $5000, and 50 kids wanted to see their dad for one last time, and it would cost $100 to make that happen, thats 50 kids happy, instead of just one.

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I wish it were that simple with charities. Most of them have other expenses to cover before the people get the help the charity is there to provide. Which is why I do not give money to them. I will volunteer time first. That way I can be 100% sure that my intended assistance is received. I still stand behind this project no matter what happens, charity, make a wish, donation to a childrens hospital, and I will not widthdraw my offer. Personally, I feel very strongly that the Make a Wish is the way to go with this one. There's nothing to say that we can't do another project in the near future. I'm sure there are more than enough spare parts to build more than 1 machine.

I don't know if I've voiced this to you or not chedabob, but this was an excellent idea. Helping others is such a selfless act, and sometimes takes very little effort. The impact on the other hand is tremendous.

Look, chedabob, we are not here to argue about what cause is better than the other, or where best our efforts can be focused. If it were up to me, I'd give to every organization that was in need.

And "who" is this "who" that did something on thewir own? Me? Yes I took the ball and ran with it, coming up with an idea that people seem to like, and that best directs our efforts to help someone in the very near future, not by handing cash to an organization and patting ourselves on the back.

$5000 is what these charitable organizations spend on POST-IT notes for the year--very little of that money will go to helping people once that buck is passed around. We have the opportunity with Make-a-Wish to directly improve the happiness and outlook for one single person. This is more than some people do in a lifetime. You have to help ONE person before you can help many.

Why not go with the grain on this one, and by all means build a few killer casemods over the next year and we'll donate hardware for it so you can sell it on ebay and give to the charity of your choice.

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Originally Posted by chedabob

Just my $0.02

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I hope you're saving those pennies for the hardware we desperately need. ;)

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Originally Posted by Crimson Sky

And "who" is this "who" that did something on thewir own? Me? Yes I took the ball and ran with it, coming up with an idea that people seem to like, and that best directs our efforts to help someone in the very near future, not by handing cash to an organization and patting ourselves on the back.

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Nobody actually agreed with it though. I went back through the first page of posts, and nobody said "yes". You decided to call them and speak to them before a decision was made. Thats what im so knarked about. Im glad that you took the initiative, but like I said before, im sure there are other charities that people would like the project to be focused on.

Ok great, Chedabob... Take the reigns and lead the charge. I'm all for handing it over to you. Set an example for the rest of us and we'll all pitch in as we've been doing.

Make-a-wish gets my vote since they are a _great_ organization and truly help people in need/want of a better life, even if it is temporary.

Plus, it does give a direction for this project as we "learn" how to make this happen. Think of it as a test run where someone comes away happy! Next project we can come to a consensus as to the recipient before anything else happens. There are so many charities that are deserving (and some that are not) of our time and effort, we could spend weeks just agreeing on one. Crimson took the lead to contact Make-A-Wish and since he has volunteered his time to build the thing, that seems only appropriate.

And that my friends is my $1.35 worth...(I'm consulting today so my prices went up)

Chedabob,
According to the master parts list, there are 4 contributors of hardware to this project. Myself, Paul, Mitt.., and SGTM. You have not even contributed any parts yet, and your persistant objections are dangerously close to killing this project altogether if it's not already too late. If this first build doesn't happen, there won't be more to give elsewhere. I have never in my life heard anyone argue against giving to the Make-A-Wish foundation in favor of mailing a check to an organization. So since Crimson no longer seems to want to build it, will you be handling that? And one more thing, this really bothers me too, if we do make it for a kid at MAWF and that kid decides to check out our website to see what we are all about he/she will read this thread and see things like...

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I know this sounds really nasty and all, but wouldn't it be better to sell the pc? Because then, we don't have to build a case around the child, so we could get some better ideas going.

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IMHO money might be more use to the charity.

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Then get it done in <1 month. Hell the kid might not live longer than that.

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Chedabob, do you mod for money or for the fact that it can be done, cause all i am seeing is you being in it for the cash and not product. The product is what we are working on to give to a kid, something that he can have that no one else can give. Anyone can give money but only a modder can give a mod.

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Originally Posted by DRece

Chedabob, do you mod for money or for the fact that it can be done, cause all i am seeing is you being in it for the cash and not product. The product is what we are working on to give to a kid, something that he can have that no one else can give. Anyone can give money but only a modder can give a mod.

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Im not in it for the money for me.

Minty: You make me sound like im a glory-seeker. Im not, but I just want a bit more input into this, and a bit more input from the rest of the people involed. So far, Crimson has taken the lead, which is good, but he seems to be making all the decisions. If the general consensus was that Make-A-Wish was a good idea, id go forward with that. But very few people have openly said "yeah, its a good idea". People have been vague, just saying its a worthy cause.

Im not asking much, Im just trying to guide this project in the way that I envisioned it, where everybody is involved, and their opinion is valued, and in the end, the outcome will be the result of joint decisions within the group.

Worklogs? I don't have any. I never said I was going to be involved in the building of it.

Offering hardware? In the first page, I did offer a few things, and I did also say that the parts didn't have to be new. But ive been overshadowed by people with newer stuff. THe original idea was that it was to be made up by the best things that we already had, not that we would have to buy. Any money donated was going to go towards buying things such as metal/plastic for the case, or for repaying the modders for the hard work. My original idea was that more than one person worked on the case. Im not talking say one person do one half of the case, then ship it to somebody else to paint it. I was thinking that maybe one person could mod some fans or something, then ship it over to the main constructor, so everybody had their part.

You may have thought of it first, but I swear I had never read that thread before. I posted my post, and that was the last time I read that thread. If anything, the main idea came from another post about designing a case between the community.

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Originally Posted by chedabob

very few people have openly said "yeah, its a good idea". P

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Yeah, it's a good idea.

I've just been sitting back watching the forums and now I can't sit back anymore...

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What the hell is wrong with you people? A member comes up with a great idea and we all run with it, hoping to make a little kid happy before he dies. I don't think you understand that. This all started as a happy project that would make a child's day, brighten their gloomy lives up a bit. This was a great project with an even better incentive and here we are now, 11 pages or whatever later, arguing and bitching like bunch of spoiled little kids.

Everyone: Shut up. Stop arguing. Look at you all fighting like this, like a bunch of juveniles. This isn't about TBCS. This isn't about you. This isn't about modding, even. It's about making a little kid's gloomy life a little bit brighter before they have to die an early death. Now please, shut the **** up.

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EDIT: Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded. Give up Cheda. I respect your opinion, it's just that majority rules and clearly in this case you are the minority.

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Originally Posted by tybrenis

EDIT: Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded. Give up Cheda. I respect your opinion, it's just that majority rules and clearly in this case you are the minority.

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Read the first 47 posts. The auction was mentioned quite a few times (once by DaveW). At that point, it was 50/50 what was happening.

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Originally Posted by chedabob

Read the first 47 posts. The auction was mentioned quite a few times (once by DaveW). At that point, it was 50/50 what was happening.

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Well I, sure as hell, am against it. It's for Make-A-Wish.

Chedabob, and all, please chill out. We need to set a good example to those who can't participate in this particular project. I shouldn't want my contacts from ATI, nVidia, Coolermaster, Via Technologies, Corsair and a dozen others to see us bickering on the forums before the project is off the ground.

this should be a pleasant, selfless endeavor, and I'm trying really hard to be fair and honest.

Why should we put our hard work into building a computer, only to have to take a GAMBLE that someone will buy it at auction? It could take months to sell it. My reason for contacting MAWF was that I wanted an organization that would best suit the resources we have.

Perhaps I was jumping the gun by contacting Make-A-Wish, but they had called me earlier in the year regarding a custom keyboard mod for a girl who has limited use of her hands. I thought this community PC would be a good opportunity to help them make another wish come true.

Well since the only problem up until now has been what to do with the computer when it's done, let's take a vote.

I vote MAWF

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Originally Posted by jdbnsn

Well since the only problem up until now has been what to do with the computer when it's done, let's take a vote.

I vote MAWF

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I second.

I motion for the same.

agreed:up:

Well .... I could start ranting myself, but I feel the same as Paul about that so I'll keep my input down at the $0.02 level.

I also vote for MAWF, I've said before somewhere that it was a great idea. I'm just clarifying it to be sure there's no mistake.

The idea of being involved in a project which has the potential to bring a small piece of joy into the life of a kid. A kid who's daily life may seem at times like a never ending series of test and treatments, who has most probably had to come to terms at such a tender young age with their own mortality. Something with which most of us as adults will have trouble coming to terms with if/when the time comes. The idea of being able to participate in any small way in such an endeavor brings a bit of joy into my own life, in a way that few other things can.

I think I've already gone over budget on my $0.02, so I'll end here.

Peace all.
FyreKnight

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Originally Posted by Mitternacht

I second.

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Originally Posted by Crimson Sky

I motion for the same.

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MAWF Gets my vote. :up:

4/4. That's good.

I also second the motion.

That's 8 votes so far for the MAWF, no alternative proposals. Any other votes?

I can't contribute as much as I would like to... but I AM still part of this community and I will do my best to help out where I can.

That said, Make a Wish Foundation gets my vote!

-SnowFire

My vote: Make A Wish

My Opinion: I'm still donating the OS no matter what.

Theme and due date are going to be hard to give them until MAWF gets back to us on what the kid wants. I think it's very cool that PCG is willing to feature this. E-mail sent.

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Originally Posted by MintyMadness

I want you guys to take pride in this. I haven't been a part of this community for very long, but I am honored by the amount of respect I have been given by complete strangers. It is definately a first. This is a very reputable site, and after this mod, we will have a standard to live up to. The bar has already been set by this website, but with this mod, we will be setting it just that much higher. Keep in mind that after this gets public this site may receive and even bigger boom in people showing up to the site. There will be some asshats and younger kids who have little to no net-iquette and they will(probably) be some asinine posting done after this goes public. We have gotten a little heated amoungst ourselves, (I myself am guilty of this, so this really applies to me a lot), but we have to keep our tempers in check. Lets not give anyone a reason to badmouth us, you know?

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Nice piece of writting right there....

I'm with you on all the points.
This site is super friendly, and we're super civil towards each other.
And, when this gets publicized, there will definitely be a big boom in members.
So, yes, as Minty said, let's try to keep ourselves within check.
Let's set the example.
We are, without a doubt, the envy of other boards.

eMail sent. :)

You guys still need any parts? Let me know...

Check the master component list, although I don't know if it's been updated in a while. I recommend that if you have something on the "needed" list, PM crimson so he knows for sure the part is on the table.

the Master List is up to date.

I think we should consider starting a collection pool that anyone who is willing can contribute to. If we don't end up with all the hardware donated when it comes time to build we'll need to pick it up quick. Once we have a young one to build for we'll need to move pretty fast to get Crimson all the parts he needs so that the project isn't held up by a missing HDD or something. I'll start a pool with my paypal account as a holding for funds until we're done unless anyone has objections/other ideas. If you would like to contribute some cash to the project, PM me the amount and I'll give you the account to deposit it in. Unless you specifiy that you want to remain annonymous, I'll forward a list of contributors and the amount we have at our disposal to Crimson. When we're done, I guess we'll decide what to do if there is any left over, maybe online credit for the kid to buy games with? What do you all think?

Sounds good to me, Jon. To everyone else: Jon (jdbnsn) is a trustworthy guy, a good dude. I think we can all trust him with the charity fund.

Thanks fellas, nothing is set in stone yet so I'll wait to hear from more folks involved in this to get more of a consensus and be sure it's ok with everyone. In the meantime, can someone use the "needed" section of the master component list and come up with an estimate to how much we need? Once we have that we can start reaching toward a tangible goal.