need assistance with Respirator

hello all need a little assistance with Respirator ok tonight at lowes i bought this Respirator
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...29-95115-10000
i thought i checked and it said for paints pesticides fumes, vapors ,particles .

well i get it home start to open it and on back in little letterd it says not for LEAD paints, so i guees with me wanting to use it for can spray painting i need something else it said not for asbestos eithier

should i get this one http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...6091-429-95090
i cant beleive i missed that on the first one any and all help appreciated

Are you using lead based spray paints?

lol, i thought they all had lead ,it says paints that contain iscoyanate materials also, i will check too see if they do the ones i have .
Btw nice job on the mouse that looks awesome, ok i have plastikote and rustoleum and the only ingredients it shows are acetone and xylene so i guess it is ok thanks again SgtM

Thanks dude. I didn't think today's spray paints are lead based, but then again, who knows what your application would be? FWIW, I painted that mouse in my (old) basement without a mask. I just opened the window and used an exhaust fan. Now that it's almost a year later, and I'm in a new house, any painting I do will start in the garage, and dry in the workshop with a space heater blowing on it.

You'll def want that second repirator in that link.

First off, props to you that you actually are giving a damn about your safety. I know way to many people who say "ah, its just a few times, it wont do to much damage". I also know a lot of people though who did that, and have health issues because of it. and I've known others who have died from doing that kind of thing, so again, thats awesome that you actually care about your health.
to answer your question...
both respirators would work. the actual thing that goes on your head doesnt matter at all, its the cartridges that are connected to them. all of them have ratings, and depending on the ratings, you can either use it or not. that being said, I would go for the second respirator anyway, since its higher quality and thus will give you a better seal against your face.

there are a number of types of cartridges to worry about.
Acid gas: evaporating acids, bleaches, etc (abbreviated for AG)
Amonioa: cleaners (abbreviated for NH3)
Organic Vapor: Evaporating solvents (abbreviated for OV)
Formaldehyde: emitted from plywood, urea formaldehyde glues (abbreviated for FOR)
Paint, Lacquer, enamel mist: spray, airbrush, aerosol paints (abbreviated for PLE)
Pesticides: Sprays (abbreviated for PEST)
Asbestoes (abbreviated for A)

then a few others.

after that there are often three efficiency ratings to worry about.
95- 95% minimum efficiency
99- 99% minimum efficiency
100- 99.97% minimum efficiency

so looking at that information, you would want a PLE cartridge and I would say a 95% 99% efficiency. really depending on how much money you want to spend on them.
If you noticed, none of the things said anything about lead. thats because even if the lead is in the spray can, the PLE cartridge will take it out of the air, and you dont need to worry about that.
also, if the spray paint contains lead, its required by OSHA law to state that it does.

all of this being said, theres one more thing that not many people thing of. if you have any facial hair whatsoever, you may as well just not use the respirator. Air is like water, it will do whatever possible to come across the least amount of resistance. the cartridges create a fair amount of resistance, so if you have facial hair, it wont allow the mask to give a proper seal, and the air will just come through there since its a hell of a lot easier. so if you do have facial hair, I would say safety is more important, and either have someone else do it, or shave, and if you dont, just make sure you dont have much stubbly that day.

I actually have the respirator in the bottom. It comes with good cartridges (OV carts iirc), and the mask itself is comfortable and easy to get on/off.

Also, yeah. Wearing a dust mask while working or a respirator while painting is a good idea. I've coughed up phlegm with steel dust in it... it's never good when your phlegm is magnetic. Protect yourself. You'll be thankful.

ov carts are great for organic crap. spraypaint isnt organic. and thus yea, it will stop a little tiny amount of the stuff, but in general, wont do much for you.

i am 99 percent sure there is no lead in your paint. there are way to many lawsuites that paint companies are involved in with all the states to even think about selling products with lead. basically it has been outlawed since the early 70's

the only time i have seen paint with lead is in some types of sign paint and special circumstances for industrial use.

if it does contain lead you would probably already have noticed the huge writing on the front that said "contains lead".

anyway the mask you bought will work fine.

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Originally Posted by moojoe

ov carts are great for organic crap. spraypaint isnt organic. and thus yea, it will stop a little tiny amount of the stuff, but in general, wont do much for you.

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ov carts are made for paint fumes.
the solvents in spraypaint is a hydrocarbon VOC.(organic)
the pre filters are designed to filter out the fine dust particles and the carbon ov filter cleans up the voc fumes.

from experiance in the auto shop, i can reccomend 3M's respirator, it works fine for me and its a bit cheaper than the second one. I would also reccomend the PLE, our repirators come with those filers, you might be able to get away with the ov filter but for a little extra you could probably pick up a set of ple cartriges.

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...211&lpage=none

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Originally Posted by moojoe

First off, props to you that you actually are giving a damn about your safety. I know way to many people who say "ah, its just a few times, it wont do to much damage". I also know a lot of people though who did that, and have health issues because of it. and I've known others who have died from doing that kind of thing, so again, thats awesome that you actually care about your health.
to answer your question...
both respirators would work. the actual thing that goes on your head doesnt matter at all, its the cartridges that are connected to them. all of them have ratings, and depending on the ratings, you can either use it or not. that being said, I would go for the second respirator anyway, since its higher quality and thus will give you a better seal against your face.

there are a number of types of cartridges to worry about.
Acid gas: evaporating acids, bleaches, etc (abbreviated for AG)
Amonioa: cleaners (abbreviated for NH3)
Organic Vapor: Evaporating solvents (abbreviated for OV)
Formaldehyde: emitted from plywood, urea formaldehyde glues (abbreviated for FOR)
Paint, Lacquer, enamel mist: spray, airbrush, aerosol paints (abbreviated for PLE)
Pesticides: Sprays (abbreviated for PEST)
Asbestoes (abbreviated for A)

then a few others.

after that there are often three efficiency ratings to worry about.
95- 95% minimum efficiency
99- 99% minimum efficiency
100- 99.97% minimum efficiency

so looking at that information, you would want a PLE cartridge and I would say a 95% 99% efficiency. really depending on how much money you want to spend on them.
If you noticed, none of the things said anything about lead. thats because even if the lead is in the spray can, the PLE cartridge will take it out of the air, and you dont need to worry about that.
also, if the spray paint contains lead, its required by OSHA law to state that it does.

all of this being said, theres one more thing that not many people thing of. if you have any facial hair whatsoever, you may as well just not use the respirator. Air is like water, it will do whatever possible to come across the least amount of resistance. the cartridges create a fair amount of resistance, so if you have facial hair, it wont allow the mask to give a proper seal, and the air will just come through there since its a hell of a lot easier. so if you do have facial hair, I would say safety is more important, and either have someone else do it, or shave, and if you dont, just make sure you dont have much stubbly that day.

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This should go in the wiki. Let me know if you don't mind it being added.

thanks alot for all the help guys and the great info moojoe .
Crimson Sky yeah i guess $15 give or take wont hurt anything even if it helps a little .

Omega yeah i have done that once or twice when i was younger lol why i try to be careful now .

Tabspace thanks for the info so organic is ok or isnt lol confused .

ASCStinger nice to have a third option thanks again this is the Respirator your taking about right ? http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...211&lpage=none thanks for that these are the carts for the secon one i should use right http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...00L&lpage=none .Thanks for the tips about shaving i never would have thought of that thanks again . Ireally appreciate the help i think i will get, the second one because it does look easier to take on and off .

I do cabinet work for a living and have sprayed some in the stain room after wearingt the Respirator i have to take it off every so often to feel normal again lol so that would be cool .
I really appreciate everyones help +rep to all

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Originally Posted by SgtM

This should go in the wiki. Let me know if you don't mind it being added.

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no problem at all. I've done a lot of research into OSHA laws, mainly dealing with the entertainment industry, but a lot of the safety things can be brought over to this world, so if you have any suggestions for other safety things, I can probably write those up to.

Is your spray paint from China?

^ the paint probably is, its redonkuless how much stuff comes from there.

I dont know for sure i will check nope beleive it or not usa yeah its crazy how much stuff comes from china lol, i got the second Respirator last night .
Hopefully i will start a work log of sorts soon how to turn a potato chip truck bed into a small mod shop lol that should be interesting thanks again all for the help .
i have another question if yall dont mind would you
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is the extra 256 mb worth $100 i have the $220 to get the 256 but could wait and get 512mb later
what do all you think or go with this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130299
i want to play games like crysis , quake wars ,and the new games at medium to higher settings thanks in advace

antone have any suggestions ?