Did you hear about how great the new version of Windows, "Mojave" is?

Too bad, it's Vista :P

http://www.vrforums.com/showthread.php?t=305694

omg fail

still dislike vista

**** how could you not know it was Vista? Jeezuz

makes perfect sense. people were told that vista was bad, and so they had negative reactions to it. let them decide for themselves, and voila... it's not so very bad.

i recently got vista ultimate 64, and i would say that my experience has been very positive. it took me about 10 minutes to turn off that annoying security thing and another 10 minutes to get my legacy games to run on it. ever since then... smooth sailing.

i don't understand the haters either. it works. it's very smooth and it looks a hellova lot better than XP. plus... DX10! can't beat that.

Wth. Srsly.

I hope those people felt like idiots. XP zealots that have never used Vista annoy me so much. People come in, looking for a new computer, ask for XP and get pissed when I say we only sell Vista. When I ask if they've ever used it they say no and say they won't touch it with a ten foot pole. Guess what people?

THIS WILL BE MY NEW REBUTTLE. "Well, you may have heard some bad things, but it turns out that in SanFran a Vista blogger did a little 'test' with XP fanatics who loved what they thought was 'Codename: Mojave'. It was Vista the entire time."

Brilliant.

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Originally Posted by .Maleficus.

Wth. Srsly.

I hope those people felt like idiots. XP zealots that have never used Vista annoy me so much. People come in, looking for a new computer, ask for XP and get pissed when I say we only sell Vista. When I ask if they've ever used it they say no and say they won't touch it with a ten foot pole. Guess what people?

THIS WILL BE MY NEW REBUTTLE. "Well, you may have heard some bad things, but it turns out that in SanFran a Vista blogger did a little 'test' with XP fanatics who loved what they thought was 'Codename: Mojave'. It was Vista the entire time."

Brilliant.

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I love it. extreme, closed minded fanboy/girls are not good in any situation. I've stopped flaming Windowers, I just don't use it.

They picked a good testing ground.....silly liberal-land San Fran

Just so you understand: Last winter the city didn't want people putting Christmas lights on live trees because you could 'hurt' them. Instead, the city dropped a few Million $$ providing potted trees you could decorate.

hrm... do i detect a fanboy :lick:

Sure, it makes sense to a degree. Given a fast enough computer with fully compatible/supported hardware, a lack of benchmarking software, and some of the irritating default behavior disabled, Vista's not bad.

It's when you remove one of those factors that it gets to me. Same goes for most XP users.

Trickery or not, I still don't like Vista. And yes, I have used it prior. I just prefer XP.

I've found one thing that isn't Vista compatible (sadly) although it might work in 32-bit Vista. All I know is there are some applications which refuse to run even with 32-bit emulation.

I actually really like vista, once you get used to it. And get it all patched up. Its great, very powerful too, the olny thing that pissed me off it wouldnt let me change files for some reason because of some random admin ****. But I still like it.

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Originally Posted by .Maleficus.

Wth. Srsly.
it turns out that in SanFran a Vista blogger did a little 'test' with XP fanatics who loved what they thought was 'Codename: Mojave'. It was Vista the entire time."

Brilliant.

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heh heh heh...Boo Windows Xp, HOORAY BEER!

What's so powerful about Vista over XP?

I have Vista and I find it's powerful alright as in taking more resources and causing FPS hits in games. If you have XP there is still no reason to upgrade to Vista unless you want DX10, that's the only reason. Vista still needs to be more stable and there are still driver issues (I'm still missing 1). Vista is pretty much worthless except for DX10 to me, widgets/gadgets/whatever are disabled already and the "transparency effect" for titlebars is useless still I can't even consider it eyecandy effects. The UAC doesn't even bother me it's more of an annoyance but it stops lesser users from doing wrong stuff at least.

It just seems like it has capabilities to me, don't hate on me its just my opinion.

It was a neat trick they played, just like in clinical trials when they use a placebo. I use Vista and haven't found a single problem with it, well there were a few issues but with all the updates since its release it works great for me. The only downside is that there is still lack of support or adoption of the 64bit interface. The only reason I upgraded from XP was because I found it bland and uninteresting to use. I actually find it easier to work with Macs since I have used Vista, there are many similarities.

Even though I've used Vista for over a year... I haven't been able to use macs still.

Macs aren't compatible with me xD

Personally my vista hate is compliance related. It flat out just doesn't like my best computer because of some "powersaving" feature it doesn't have on the motherboard. The other computer runs it just fine but doesn't have enough memory to make it worthwhile and was a loss in performace because of it.

Nothing against Vista, just not going to use it until I replace both computers.

Besides I clung to Windows 2k for a long time after XP came out.

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Even though I've used Vista for over a year... I haven't been able to use macs still.

Macs aren't compatible with me xD

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Maybe it's a driver issue? :banana:

i've never even used a mac before :D

Regardless the name is better.
Winduzz Mojave. :D

I use a dual boot of XP and Vista, I liked the way Vista looked, and it has some good features. But early on there were a lot of compatibility issues with the OS, a lot of those problems have been worked out. So, it's turned into a pretty solid OS, all in all I like it and am getting more and more to the point of using it exclusively on my main rig.

I shifted exclusively to Vista a year ago and never once had a problem. Everything was compatable for me, and I had to download less drivers myself for my vista setup than for XP on the same system. Plus with a decent computer the Vista experience is fast, beautiful, and easy. You just can't go into it thinking it's XP or you'll be lost.

Also, I don't know what this ability to transfer to macs is. Macs are annoying and it's hard to find anything, even with Vista smarts.

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Originally Posted by Tavarin

Macs are annoying and it's hard to find anything, even with Vista smarts.

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Was it actually hard to find things or do you just think it should work the way windows does? Once you give it a little bit of time (more than a few hours) things become pretty predictable because apple strives for a generally uniform interface. And as far as where apple sticks you files, that seems to be pretty logical and straight forward as well. I have a hard time finding things in windows after coming from a month or so on my GF's mac.

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Originally Posted by Killa_Ape

What's so powerful about Vista over XP?

I have Vista and I find it's powerful alright as in taking more resources and causing FPS hits in games. If you have XP there is still no reason to upgrade to Vista unless you want DX10, that's the only reason. Vista still needs to be more stable and there are still driver issues (I'm still missing 1). Vista is pretty much worthless except for DX10 to me, widgets/gadgets/whatever are disabled already and the "transparency effect" for titlebars is useless still I can't even consider it eyecandy effects. The UAC doesn't even bother me it's more of an annoyance but it stops lesser users from doing wrong stuff at least.

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Just fyi, the latest tests I've seen show Vista SP1 now slightly faster than XP SP3. I've seen a couple other recent tests as well, but here is the first one I dug up:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2302495,00.asp


Overall my problems have been identical to XP, the occasional driver issue, or installation error. The main thing that I have noticed though, is a massive increase in overall stability... much more graceful recovery from program/driver errors- XP would fall flat on its face in those instances.

There are many deciding factors, but IMO gaming performance shouldn't be one of them. Vista SP1 is actually better now in gaming than XP. Several members on another forum I frequent conducted personal tests to confirm this. I personally haven't had a need to run an install of XP yet or I likely would have done some testing myself.

Another piece on Mojave.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38637/128/

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Was it actually hard to find things or do you just think it should work the way windows does?

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It's more the lack of individual file menus that drives me nuts. I hate how the main file menu changes to suit the program since with my multi-monitor setup I usually just click the file menus in other programs to do things. I also hate the dock. I find it inefficient and annoying. But that's just me. I know what I can do with a Vista machine, and I will stay with it. My hatred of macs shall not end.

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It's more the lack of individual file menus that drives me nuts. I hate how the main file menu changes to suit the program since with my multi-monitor setup I usually just click the file menus in other programs to do things. I also hate the dock. I find it inefficient and annoying. But that's just me. I know what I can do with a Vista machine, and I will stay with it. My hatred of macs shall not end.

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Fair complaints. I never pondered the idea of how efficient the menu system would be on a multi-monitor system. And i can see the inefficiencies of the dock as well.

If you have the computer to comfortably run vista, then do it. I don't, so I don't run vista. If I were to get a new PC, I would be torn between 64 and 32, my m-audio box doesn't have drivers for 64, but I would want ALL of my hardware to be utilized. Quite a predicament.

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Originally Posted by Killa_Ape

What's so powerful about Vista over XP?

I have Vista and I find it's powerful alright as in taking more resources and causing FPS hits in games. If you have XP there is still no reason to upgrade to Vista unless you want DX10, that's the only reason. Vista still needs to be more stable and there are still driver issues (I'm still missing 1). Vista is pretty much worthless except for DX10 to me, widgets/gadgets/whatever are disabled already and the "transparency effect" for titlebars is useless still I can't even consider it eyecandy effects. The UAC doesn't even bother me it's more of an annoyance but it stops lesser users from doing wrong stuff at least.

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A hell of a lot is better. I love the search function as soon as you open the start menu. With XP, I find my self getting really annoyed with the cascading menus or what ever they are called. If you have XP, stick with it unless you want to buy vista. However, for a new computer, go for Vista. A pentium 4 and above is fine for vista, depending on the clock speed. You dont need a 5GHz quadcore to run vista.

I get annoyed when people think they can run vista on a 800mhz pentium 3 with 512 mb ram and a geforce 2 series card. Even XP would choke with those specs.

Another thing that annoys me, is that people think it's microsoft's problem if a driver is incompatible. The fact of the matter is, is that microsoft provide a new driver model for vista. It is up to the MANUFACTURER to write drivers that are compatible with this new driver model. Microsoft were very kind to include the old XP driver model as a combatibility mode, but poorly written drivers for XP will probably fail here.

Vista can survive graphics failures way better than xp can (I use both ATI and nVIDIA). Also, vista is not prone to 100% processor usage when windows is looking for updates, unlike XP.

On my laptop (1.8GHz AMD sempron, 2GB Crucial 667mhz RAM, ATI 1150 Xpress series), vista was definatly a lot smoother than xp. My laptop scored a 3.2 because of the onboard graphics. Everything else was a 4.0 and above.

Dont tell me that vista is rubbish. Microsoft software has been perfectly fine for me. Its other software writers that cannot follow proper coding standards.

Im not going to flame macs, as I have barely ever used them. I really dont understand why people say to always use macs, or always use XP. If people are happy with what they have, that should be the end of it!

Sorry about my rant, I've just been watching jeremy kyle, he knows how to solve an argument ;) (Not that I watch it that often)

Anything Micro$oft related is rubbish. I only use it at the moment for two reasons:

1. Laptop is still under warranty
2. I need this crap for school

As soon as I graduate, I'll be blowing XP off of my home system for good. Red Hat, here I come!

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Anything Micro$oft related is rubbish. I only use it at the moment for two reasons:

1. Laptop is still under warranty
2. I need this crap for school

As soon as I graduate, I'll be blowing XP off of my home system for good. Red Hat, here I come!

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Microsoft software has been fine for me. Linux is fairly good, I have used ubuntu 7.10 before, and PCLinuxOS2007. The only experience with macs that I have had is the occasional browse through the local apple store. I would probably have an iPhone 2.0 by now, if it wernt for the contract. If it was pay as you go, I'd be there.

If everything microsoft was rubbish, would people buy it, and then buy the next version? As long as you are using a legal version of their software, you should have no problems.

I was lucky enough to be given a free upgrade to vista from xp by hp. Did a clean install though, as I didnt want all the extra hp software.

p.s. If the piece of hardware says on the box vista compatible, it will work. I meant to put this in my last post, but if I edited it, it wouldent have been read.

But, if it was a cheap computer, it might not work well.

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Originally Posted by AMD Killa

I get annoyed when people think they can run vista on a 800mhz pentium 3 with 512 mb ram and a geforce 2 series card. Even XP would choke with those specs.

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I wouldn't dare running vista on anything sub 2.0Ghz P4 (w 1.5GiB of ram which I did during Beta 1 and Beta 2). XP does not choke on an 800Mhz P3, it even runs perfectly fine on a 650Mhz Celeron (with 128MiB ram). XP ran perfectly fine on my P3 866Mhz with 256MiB ram and ATI Rage Fury Pro for the three years I used it with XP (I even was able to play games on it).

The fastest thing I've had Vista (Home Basic) on is my laptop (I have a C2D x9000 (2.8Ghz) in a Dell Vostro 1400), and it perfectly suits my needs (though I'm itching to get Gentoo with KDE4 on it but I'll wait for 4.2 to come out). Before I put the x9000 in, the processor was a 1.4Ghz C2D (T5270 but it ran according to CPUz @ 1.6Ghz most of the time), and surprisingly it ran perfectly fine for web browsing, email, and other school related things.

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I couldn't agree more! People come into work, asking if they can get XP on any machines and scoff when I say "no". But Vista sucks and it's slow, nothing even works on it and I heard that Microsoft logs everything you do! Oh, really? When you used it, what was wrong with it? I've never used it but this really smart computer kid down the street said it was crap. Oh, really? You've never used it? THEN STFU!

The people who have a problem with Vista are the people that come in and buy the $299 eMachines. Well no **** it's not going to run well. You have a single core Sempron and 1GB of RAM. With the prices of tech nowadays, almost anyone can afford a decent Vista-capable computer. Anyone who's seen my thread about my mom's Gateway will know that.

Anyways, it's all opinion. I happen to like it, I happen to like XP and I happen to like Linux. I've only just started playing around with Macs so no comment there, but honestly, if you don't like Vista don't use it. An open notice to all the non-techie haters out there: If you complain to me about Vista before actually using it because a 12-year old computer genius said it was crap, I'll shove an Ubuntu CD down your throat and install Linux on you so you actually have some brains.

I just subscribed to PC world again, after leaving for a year, or two, and they complain about vista way too much. I'm sure that that kind of stuff doesn't help.

I Beta tested Vista, and got very excited over the features. I uninstalled it however, because the beta was buggy and slow.

I then bought Windows XP Media Center 2005 for my new PC and got the "Vista Upgrade Plan" (which by the way was the worst software distribution system I've ever seen in my whole life).

February (March?) 2007, I got my new Vista Home Premium in the Mail and went to install it. Freezes. At first I was like "Did they fix all of those bugs and stuff from the beta?". So I call up microsoft. After 4 days (About 3 hours a day) talking to MS, they decided to finally call up my mobo manufacturer, ASUS. ASUS recommended a BIOS update. I did that and guess what!? It installed.

I've been using Vista ever since. By now there are some features I love, some I dislike, some I feel need improving and some I literally can't do without. Its been an overall positive experience. I've always had a computer that could run it no problem, and had no problems with game performance.

I recently got myself 4GBs of RAM and upgraded to 64-Bit Ultimate (My friend got it through his work). Even better performance. Sadly because of the 64-bitness of it I've had 4-5 compatibility problems with programs, but nothing earthshattering.

I've noticed (as you guys have already stated) that the people who hate Vista fit under one of these conditions:
1) they have never used it and are basing their opinion on hearsay,
2) they have an old computer and are mad that a next-gen OS can't run on it
3) they are mad they are losing 3-5 fps in a few games

Mind you I still love XP, but I like Vista with all of its extra features more.

-Indybird

I have 2 machines which I won't upgrade to Vista (my home laptop and "the-bomb", my old gaming desktop) but I use Vista and XP daily. To solve my 64-bit and vista compatibility problems, I have a virtual machine with XP 32-bit. Works for me (mostly).

You know whats funny? I watched the videos of the experiment and one of the guys goes " You know, i just have this weird feeling that the OS your showing me is Vista"

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Originally Posted by Indybird

I Beta tested Vista, and got very excited over the features. I uninstalled it however, because the beta was buggy and slow.

I then bought Windows XP Media Center 2005 for my new PC and got the "Vista Upgrade Plan" (which by the way was the worst software distribution system I've ever seen in my whole life).

February (March?) 2007, I got my new Vista Home Premium in the Mail and went to install it. Freezes. At first I was like "Did they fix all of those bugs and stuff from the beta?". So I call up microsoft. After 4 days (About 3 hours a day) talking to MS, they decided to finally call up my mobo manufacturer, ASUS. ASUS recommended a BIOS update. I did that and guess what!? It installed.

I've been using Vista ever since. By now there are some features I love, some I dislike, some I feel need improving and some I literally can't do without. Its been an overall positive experience. I've always had a computer that could run it no problem, and had no problems with game performance.

I recently got myself 4GBs of RAM and upgraded to 64-Bit Ultimate (My friend got it through his work). Even better performance. Sadly because of the 64-bitness of it I've had 4-5 compatibility problems with programs, but nothing earthshattering.

I've noticed (as you guys have already stated) that the people who hate Vista fit under one of these conditions:
1) they have never used it and are basing their opinion on hearsay,
2) they have an old computer and are mad that a next-gen OS can't run on it
3) they are mad they are losing 3-5 fps in a few games

Mind you I still love XP, but I like Vista with all of its extra features more.

-Indybird

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i agree with you indy i also was a beta tester for vista and at the time it was insanely buggy i also liked the new feautures but i had dual booted it from xp on a seperate drive and i wanted to kill microsoft when it eneded up corrupting my copy of xp i was furios

I saw the commercial for this on History Channel!

http://www.mojaveexperiment.com/