The Mac ad that ticked me off...

There have been 2 new mac ads that really made me lose all respect for Apple(And I didn't have to much respect for them in the first place).Now of course almost all of the ads ticked me off but these ones went WAY to far.







Come on Apple, your the one to talk. Honestly the 300 million dollars that Microsoft spent on advertising barely makes a dent in their bank account. "Have to raise money because we spent all of our money on advertising"? Hardly. If anything, Apple spent the same or even more one the "Mac and PC" ads. And this commercial doesn't even say why to buy a mac! All it is is a cheap blow to insult a rival company. I think these mac ads are starting to get as dirty as the presidential campaign ads.

Those are low blows. I thought it was bad enough when they first started making those ads that Apple had to bash Microsoft while promoting their computers, but that is just ridiculous.

Well the first one is funny b/c it's true!

They are throwing money at advertising and fixing all of vista's downfalls in Windows 7. Vista still needs some more optimizing and fixing IMO.

The second one, I agree Microsoft does have a boatload of money but I highly doubt Mac spent nearly 300million on their ads. Seinfeld alone for Microsoft is probably 50mil he isn't cheap. I'd love to see how much they paid him. And also the Mac budget would be good too.

I am disgusted with the Mac advertising. They seem to think they are so superior they can rewrite all the rules. I was watching TV one night (which i rarely do anymore, all the advertisements get in the way of the actual shows) and a Apple commercial came on and I was put off because they could not be bothered to use proper grammer. All the current "trendy" big player computer companies (mainly Apple and Google) seem to be run by irresponsible teenagers. I switched to Vista for good a few weeks ago and have had no problems whatsoever. In fact my gaming rig was crashing and having other issues under XP, all issues disappeared with Vista Ultimate 64. Apple runs the same ad concepts for like a year with just tweaked scripts, essentially beating the dead by the time they bother to find something new. Not to mention Apple never really shows what their products can do. Then again they seem to want all their users to be the same and use their stuff the same so yea...
One last thought: Microsoft probably paid more for advertising but at least they do not come off arrogant and derogatory in their ads.

I like Vista too... and honestly, I haven't seen any Microsoft ads on TV lately, of course I don't want much TV but still... it's all Apple ads that say NOTHING of value... at least to me, anyways.

PC Guy: Hi, I'm a PC and I work on all x86 hardware
Mac Guy: And I'm a mac. I only work on apple products so compatibility is never a problem. And if you need him.... buy our stuff and use both! So naturally we're better.

There's a windows commercial that starts with the "pc" guy and goes to show a bunch of other proclaimed windows users, like an austronaut, bill gates himself, a wrestler and a bunch of others.

Apple really is hitting hard with the low blows and it's a shame that MS can't sue the **** out of them because they say "PC" instead of windows, and MS can't copyright the word "Vista" =/

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Originally Posted by chaksq

One last thought: Microsoft probably paid more for advertising but at least they do not come off arrogant and derogatory in their ads.

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I'll agree on the lack of arrogance, but Microsoft gets the "stupidest commercial of the millennium" award for the Seinfeld ad.

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Originally Posted by Omega

Apple really is hitting hard with the low blows and it's a shame that MS can't sue the **** out of them because they say "PC" instead of windows, and MS can't copyright the word "Vista" =/

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Yet Apple manages to copyright an apple! As in, the fruit that grows naturally. It's so stupid,Apple's name. So far theyv sued everything from a Canadian college to New York City(the city that's been NAMED the big apple). I don't get how they can get away with it

I'm guessing Microsoft probably could make a case against these ads if they wanted to, but they just don't care. They have a huge market share in both business and home sectors and having few home users here and there jump ship based on a superficial ad campaign is more or less nothing to them. By owning the business and office work markets, MS owns the home market by default. After all, if you worked on Windows machines at work all day and you needed to take home some stuff to complete, it wouldn't make much sense to buy a Mac for home would it?

So yeah, I just don't think Microsoft is that concerned by the whole deal. Until governments decide they want to invest the billions of dollars it would take to switch operating systems, MS is just going to laugh quietly to itself as Apple acts like a baby and has a little tantrum.

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Originally Posted by noopypoop

Yet Apple manages to copyright an apple! As in, the fruit that grows naturally. It's so stupid,Apple's name. So far theyv sued everything from a Canadian college to New York City(the city that's been NAMED the big apple). I don't get how they can get away with it

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They had a lawsuit with apple records, and they weren't supposed to go into each other's buisnesses. Apple computer now sells music through itunes.

Microsoft shouldn't put any money into advertising. all of that money should be to fixing the Vista problems.

The saying that "word travels fastest by the mouth" or something like that is entirely true. If someone buys something that they really like, they will tell people about it. and then that person buys it, and tells another person about it. sooner or later, all of America knows about it and likes it.

They really aren't spending a lot, compared to some other companies, on advertising. In my opinion, there's really no problems to fix, other than security patches, and occasional bug fixes, just like xp, 98, and 2000. One thing that caused compatibility problems was lack of initial hardware driver and software support.

1. I like Vista. I am counting the days until I can assemble my new system and install it. I love the features, I love the look and I love the security and stability (yes, stability) that it improves upon over XP. My mom's computer has yet to BSOD whereas XP did it way more frequently than one would expect (which shouldn't be often).

2. I like Apple. They make nice products. In fact, I love my iPhone. It has great technology behind it, looks great and is very functional. It does everything that a smart-phone should do, does them all great and even adds a few extra features. (For better or for worse) Apples inability to write non-hackable code made my iPhone even cooler Jailbroken and even without that, the AppStore is awesome.

3. Both companies have their issues. Apple is an arrogant, hipster focused company that, while appeals to most people, market mainly towards rich, I-think-I'm-techie 20-30 year olds. They have nice hardware in their systems, a nice OS that is very functional but think way too highly of themselves.

4. Microsoft is like a fat kid with limitless money in an EULA candy store. They charge way too much to use their products. They have a tendency to "test" products on their debut, which annoys many people.

All in all, this post didn't have a point. I don't really know where I was going with it, but hopefully my main point was understood (I like both with equal amounts of hate). Vista's cool, Apple's got cool products, Linux will prevail.


I'm sorry, but I had to throw Linux in here. It was feeling lonely.

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Originally Posted by .Maleficus.

I'm sorry, but I had to throw Linux in here. It was feeling lonely.

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Two pages, and this is the first one of these posts:

Vista has no real problems anymore. All of the problems that it had when it came out have been fixed. The only thing it has against it at this point is that it requires a whole lot more hardware still, and software being released today is still compatible with XP. That said, I may wait for Windows 7, or I may install vista (I have a copy) when I get a new computer. I'll check and see if my favorite freeware is Vista compatible.

I hate these Mac ads. They only make Macs look better than PCs by making PCs look really awful. This in no way makes Macs look any better.

Pre bash ads
PC:100
Mac:50

Post bash ads
PC:-10
Mac:50

50 is still pretty crappy, and no better than before the ads; and that -10 is only a perception. Windows is still a lot better than Macs ever were.

And you can't forget, they're both PCs. Macs use intel core2Quad and core2Duo processors, and can run windows. It's windows PCs, in particular that they're trying to make look bad.

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Originally Posted by nevermind1534

They really aren't spending a lot, compared to some other companies, on advertising.

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I don't think I've ever seen a Microsoft ad.

The only one that I remember seeing was the Seinfeld one, and that was once.

In a very Steve Job sort of way, he is trying to brand the Mac as not being a PC, just like how all MP3 players are often called iPods, despite the fact that it's a Zune you moron!

He wants to say that macs are are not PCs, and that they are something different. It should be noted that when people refer to PCs, they are not referring to "personal computers" but windows or (more rarely) linux machines. PC is almost never ever used as a term to mean "Mac", "Apple", or "Macintosh". That said, the point is well taken; in the classical meaning of the term "PC", it means "personal computer".

Mac- Final cut pro and interface, low to no viruses.

PC- Cost, customization, and games.

Is there really any more arguing to be done here? If you aren't a professional videographer and you own a mac, you are really just paying more for an interface and "virus protection."

That's it.

Hypocrisy, hypocrisy, hypocrisy...

Hey Apple, you really think these ads are going to fix your market share?

Yeah. I guess I'm right.

And on a side note, if they weren't utter douches about their operating system, I'd love to give it a try. On a proper PC. Shame about that.

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Originally Posted by nevermind1534

They really aren't spending a lot, compared to some other companies, on advertising.

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Originally Posted by xmastree

I don't think I've ever seen a Microsoft ad.

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I would guess you two are too young to remember the "Start Me Up" Windows 95 Campaign then:



Notice that they cut the song off before Mick sung "You make a grown man cry"...now tell me, was that intentional? :D

I think I might have seen that on youtube before, but I never (If I did, I don't remember it) saw it on TV.

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Originally Posted by DrumThumper

I would guess you two are too young to remember the "Start Me Up" Windows 95 Campaign then:



Notice that they cut the song off before Mick sung "You make a grown man cry"...now tell me, was that intentional? :D

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Well, there's always this parody, too...

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Originally Posted by .Maleficus.

All in all, this post didn't have a point. I don't really know where I was going with it, but hopefully my main point was understood (I like both with equal amounts of hate). Vista's cool, Apple's got cool products, Linux will prevail.


I'm sorry, but I had to throw Linux in here. It was feeling lonely.

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I think ultimately all three OSes will prevail.

Linux is really good for people who want a powerful OS with minimal restrictions and a lot of free, powerful, open-source tools. Newer versions (especially ubuntu distros) are extremely user-friendly once you take a few minutes to figure it out and about the only thing lacking is games.

Windows still offers (under XP anyways, can't speak for Vista) a decent amount of user power, with a lot of user friendliness and a huge support market. It'll cost you more money in the long run and short run, but lets face it, photoshop > GIMP any day of the week and pretty much the pattern goes on like this.

Mac OSes are being marketed successfully to "IT" hipsters, people who can't figure out windows machines saying they're too difficult or how macs "just work", or to people who do a lot of media editing, and admittedly, if I did a lot of media work, I'd prefer a mac OS (maybe not their hardware, though). I don't do a lot of media though, and I'm a power user, so it's linux and windows for me!

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Originally Posted by DrumThumper

Two pages, and this is the first one of these posts:

[linux vid thingy]

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because nobody knows how to run wine, right?

(even though I'm feeling like an elitist linux geek, i will admit that linux sucks for games and even though I will run starcraft through wine on my kubuntu install, i wouldn't try to get like, WoW running there)

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Originally Posted by DrumThumper

I would guess you two are too young to remember the "Start Me Up" Windows 95 Campaign then:

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Too young?

Assuming that was around 1995, that would have made me 35.

Maybe they didn't advertise much in the UK.

Wow, I barely watch TV and I remember all sorts of TV ads put out by M$. The "I am a PC" response ads to Apple's attack ads are currently running. Also prior to that I remember various ads, one with celebrities explaining how they use Windows in their daily lives, revealing the celeb at the end of the commercial (I think Jay-Z was one, possibly D. Trump if i remember right). Also before that I remember Windows commercials to the effect of supporting youth creating the future or something like that.

I'd love to see this commercial...

"Hi I'm PC."
"And hi, I'm Mac."
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(large Penguin appears)
"And hi, I'm Linux and @#$% you"
(large Penguin kicks the crap out of first two.)

Unlikely to happen.... Linux is mostly non-profit organisations!

Yeah. The only thing I don't like about vista is its horrible networking. Other than that it is a great operating system. Apple is kinda iffy on their marketing now. (.maleficus, number 4 was worded beautifully ;P)

What is so horrible about Vista networking?

I think that Vista is a true failure not only because its lack of everything good but because Microsoft hasn't fixed it yet. I am hesitant to try Windows 7 due to this.

There's really nothing for microshaft to fix, though.

I got my uncle's new Vista machine online today. Despite the unfamiliar and sometimes counterintuitive options and wizards, this wasn't all that difficult once I figured out the real problem - by resetting the cable modem. Windows then decided all was well.

Of course, I then had to tell Internet Explorer no less than three times that it was no longer supposed to be in offline mode, so some of their software still needs a bit of work.

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Originally Posted by crenn

What is so horrible about Vista networking?

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Wireless. It keeps going out on my friend, and the "network manager" doesn't really help in vista. Not as many advanced features as XP

What advanced features as XP? I find it about the same for both.

There may be some interference, or just not a good card. Microwaves and Wiis interfere a lot with the signal. Other networks using the same channel can too.