if how is it compared to vista.... or dare i say XP.... dun dun daaaaaa
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if how is it compared to vista.... or dare i say XP.... dun dun daaaaaa
AWESOME! That is all.
really how so? i saw some vids on it, like shaking widows and snapping window line ups and fast minimizing and over response. but i want the dl.....i just build a rig and want to know if i should wait till it comes out for real or just buy vista, also does it recognize more than 3 an something gigs ram?
32 bit versions of Windows 7 will still be stuck to the same theoretical limit of 4GB RAM. In practice this means 3.xGB max addressable RAM after system devices and depending on your Graphics Card.Quote:
Originally Posted by l7.64ss
CB
Source:
While the maximum RAM limit for 32-bit Windows 7 editions is 4GB, when it comes to the 64-bit editions, the amount of memory that the OS can address depends on which edition you are running.
Here are the upper RAM limits for the different editions of Windows 7:
- Starter: 8GB
- Home Basic: 8GB
- Home Premium: 16GB
- Professional: 192GB
- Enterprise: 192GB
- Ultimate: 192GB
Windows 7 still has some stuff that's kind of wonky, but as a whole, it's actually pretty nice. way better than vista for sure.
Even in beta, too, it runs pretty well.
I've got it on the work machine downstairs.
hmmmmmm i c...... i think im just going to go ahead and get vista 64 premium, cuz there will proply be so many issues with 7 when it comes out, and also cuz ive never used it lol. im rocking xp on a alienware notbook that is a year old and would spank most desktops in benchmarks hahahah.... sorry got started on a bragging trip, so ill put vista on the new rig........was writing this when u posted that omega, well i want 7 but i dont want to have an os'less computer that i just build sitting here waiting.......
I think you would be wiser to spend your money on Win7 over Vista. From what I can tell there are less issues with Win7 out of the gate, then Vista did at the same point. Although it may be better now, Vista still has some issues on the 64bit version.
That would seem like a bad choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by l7.64ss
Microsoft make bad operating systems from time to time. Microsoft ME was their first big blooper, Vista another.
By common agreement of most everyone in the industry Windows 7 is better in it's RC form (except for a few blips) than Vista is with SP2 installed.
Certainly by release date or very soon thereafter with updates Windows 7 will beat Vista in every department.
I'm not suggesting you install the RC but when it's released.
Many companies have totally bypassed Vista and are waiting on 7 to upgrade desktops from XP.
CB
Save your $$ and buy 7 when it comes out. You will not be disappointed. I have vista ultimate 64 and just switched back to home premium 32 bit because I was having lots of issues with several programs and games.
BTW if you think your alienware notebook will spank most of the desktops here, you are fooling yourself. Alienware while better than most are over priced hot running POS's
Beautifully put .. you're a poet +repQuote:
Originally Posted by Oneslowz28
I just purchased Vista Ultimate x64 because it came with a Win7 upgrade for when it's released. Figured it'd be cheaper that way, theres no way Win7 will be cheaper the Vista at launch... at least thats my philosophy.
I don't plan on installing Vista until Win7 is out. lol
-CollinstheClown
no not most desk tops here, that would would be crazy, (this is a mod forum) lol, just most average, an i know i paid for the name, and its very hot, but idk i just got lucky and havent found a game to date that i cant run on a hi res and everything turned up to as high as it goes, sure whatever is under my laptop is going to melt lol but it plays it.....anyway my friend said download 7 to a boot cd so i can put it on my new rig (that will spank most ON HERE) is this possible?
That thing in parentheses... What is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by l7.64ss
There are some people on this forum that run quad-core clusters. They are fun to play with. Go try it.
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Originally Posted by l7.64ss
That will "spank" many systems on here when you get it running ... but maybe not most .... and it will certainly be far from the least powerful.Quote:
Originally Posted by l7.64ss
You only have one GPU for a start. Also what model i7 is it? And what RAM?
CB
Don't buy vista yet, unless it comes with a free upgrade to Windows 7.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116678
Thats the one I bought.
-CollinstheClown
Oh well. In time, many things will be learned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Buddhist
Back to the topic, I don't really want or feel the need to run Windows 7. Sounds cool, though. Just wish they would just phase out 32-bit already.
Windows just needs a new platform, and needs to get rid of the old one completely instead of just putting thousands of little "band-aids" over a third-degree burn.
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Originally Posted by Collinstheclown
Yes it will ..... yet ... I believe the cheapest way to buy Windows 7 is to buy a European version which ships without IE8 because of the anti-trust issues with the European Union.
These versions can not be installed as upgrades because of the lack of IE8 in the system, so .....
Microsoft are selling "upgrade" disks in Europe - at upgrade prices - but they are not upgrades at all - it's the FULL version for a new install on them !!!!!!
This was the only way Microsoft could release Win 7 globally at the same time. I pre-ordered two copies at £50 ($90) each.
CB
the comp i built is an i7 2.66 that I will be oc'ing . 6 gigs of ddr3 that i will oc a lil, two evga 9800+ in sli, and a western digital raptor, im thinking about getting geting another and doing raid 0 but i don't know much about it (advise would be greatly appreciated). i am not trying to get into a who's got the biggest dick conversation i am just proud of my self my saving to get all that... anyway from Europe u say??? hmmmm.. i just want to put 7 in and bott to it so i can just get this thing running. and if it is impossible to have it be the first os in a comp than i will be stuck with with vista cuz i cant buy both :(
I'm pretty sure you can still grab the 7 Release Candidate from MS for free. That would be my recommendation. That way you don't have to deal with Vista (not the hellhole that many will lead you to believe, but very bloated) and you get a legitimately free OS until, what, April?
As for your HDD, are you using a Raptor or a Velociraptor? Because if you're using a Raptor, honestly I'd recommend upgrading to something else instead of getting another one. If it's a Velociraptor, sure, go ahead with the RAID-0. You're MBB's controller should be able to handle that just fine. Just one thing to understand about RAID-0 before you use it:
There is one reason, and one reason only, to use RAID-0. Speed. You will get a nice boost of speed when you use RAID-0, but you will also put yourself in a potentially dangerous situation. If any drive in a RAID-0 array fails, you lose to entire array. Because of this, I would not recommend using RAID-0 unless you have some way of doing regular backups of the array.
Oh, and a friendly warning, be wary of saying any system will outperform most systems on this forum, there's some pretty amazing systems around here :D Yours does sound like it's gonna pretty sweet though. Make sure you get a hi-res monitor or 2 to take advantage of the SLI. Speaking of which, ooc, have you purchased the 9800GTX+'s yet? I'm just thinking that if you haven't it might be a better idea to drop the extra $30 each and get GTX260's instead. I think the individual cards have similar benchmarks, but the 200 series uses a newer chip and might scale in SLI better (I don't know if this is actually the case, just speculating). IIRC know with the 9000 series SLI only got you around a 60% boost.
...Whoa... lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Buddhist
Linky?
They wouldn't say things like colour right? :lick::think:
-CollinstheClown
Not unless you set it to UK/British English.Quote:
Originally Posted by Collinstheclown
Edited to be legible :whistler:Quote:
Originally Posted by l7.64ss
I was going to say that 6Gigs is overkill but found this. Of course you would REQUIRE a 64 bit version of Windows 7 to use 6 Gigs of RAM as 32 bit versions still suffer the 4Gig max addressable limit:
One thing I would say is that you need to look at your memory configurations carefully with i7 as having memory that is mistimed/mismatched to your CPU can really slow the systems down. I will try and track down the article I read explaining the ins and outs of it.Quote:
The results echo those of AN804 and show that 6GB of system memory is essential for gaming PCs based around Core i7 CPUs, with up to a 3x increase in performance compared to an identical PC with 3GB of RAM.
How we tested
To conduct the testing we built a high-performance Core i7 test system that reflects the type of PC that a gaming enthusiast would buy. By using high-end components we also preclude the possibility of any single item of hardware causing performance bottlenecks, which allows us to accurately measure the effect of increasing the memory density.
Memory Configurations
3GB - 1600MHz Corsair Dominator TR3X3G1600C8D
6GB - 1600MHz Corsair Dominator TR3X6G1600C8D
Test Platform
ASUS P6T Deluxe motherboard (BIOS version 0804)
Intel Core i7-965 Extreme Edition CPU
2 x 1GB Nvidia GeForce 280 GTX in SLI
2 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320GB in RAID 0
24in TFT monitor
Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit, SP1
Nvidia 180.43 BETA drivers (required for SLI on ASUS P6T Deluxe)
CrazyB
EDIT Good article here: http://techgage.com/article/intel_co...st_memory_kit/ but not the one I was looking for.
EDIT2: This one contains the core info .... http://techreport.com/articles.x/15967
i7 920's are officially limited to 1066 speed memory by the onboard controller, but you can push that:
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Despite the 920's lack of official support for faster memory, we can push its memory clock higher by overclocking the processor's base clock speed. We've done just that, dialing our Core i7-920's base clock up from 133 to 167 and 200MHz, which allows us to run the memory at 1333 and 1600MHz, respectively. Since we're focusing on memory performance, we lowered the 920's core multiplier to 16X at 167MHz and 13X at 200MHz. That gives us the same 2.66GHz core clock with a 167MHz base clock and 2.6GHz at 200MHz, which is close enough. As we did with the 965 Extreme, we've stuck with our DIMMs' default latencies of 7-7-7-20 at 1333MHz and 8-8-8-24 at 1600MHz. These results should let us know what happens to the i7's performance when you push both its base and memory clocks.
No .. you set the language as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Collinstheclown
http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=W...soft&scoring=p
There is still only one retailer left with the full discount "John Lewis" and you have to buy it in (a physical) store.
Next best price is £69
However ..... I doubt you will get these shipped outside the UK or any other European state purchased in as they are region specific versions and Microsoft will almost certainly have placed sales restrictions on them including shipping destinations.
CrazyB
Note- Windows 7E no longer exists.
Been using Win7 since January, any questions just ask.
Oh, and for the guy with the "awesome computer", hit my build log and see what I ended up with, the OCs and the scores I could pull out of it. And it's a tri-core.
Do you mean the version shipped in Europe will carry IE8? When did that change. If it's still shipping without IE8 then it is the Win 7 E no?Quote:
Originally Posted by crenn
Matthew
July 31st, 2009 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Buddhist
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10301299-56.html
MwuhahahahahahahhahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by OvRiDe
My two $90 copies are going to be full versions come what may :) So will any one else who finds and buys a pre-order version in Europe (there are a few left).Quote:
Those who pre-ordered Windows 7 "E" through a recent discount offer will get the full version, as Microsoft had promised. However, Microsoft plans to now sell Windows 7 upgrades in Europe and also offer a higher-priced full version (for those without an earlier copy of Windows)--similar to what it is doing in the rest of the world.
And $90 is CHEAP here - we typically pay almost 1 £ for 1 $ on S/ware and H/ware - despite the exchange rate being 1:1.60
It's not a finalised deal yet either - unless things have moved on from that press release - but the splash screen allowing you to choose your browser is a great idea for everyone - not just those of us in Europe.
CrazyB
Nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Buddhist
Agreed! I can imagine all the grief NOT having a browser installed after setup could pose to the consumer public. With windows not having a native "wget" command, it would be a total PIA to get updated drivers on a fresh install, not to mention a browser itself!Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Buddhist
All you need is firefox.exe install on a CD or USB key.Quote:
Originally Posted by OvRiDe
Matthew
Its true, but there will still be a huge amount of folks that don't realize that ahead of time.
:P
They could make you choose one, and not have the option to not have any.
-CollinstheClown
firefox is good, but google chrome is the **** i love it
my lain li case got here, i got it cuz my clear case+ a non modular psu makes for a horrific cable management mess and i herd it is a great case for new modders
Heheh, nice choice on manufacturer. What model did you get? Personally I prefer metal cases, but hey, that's me....the one problem with getting a really nice case (I had this problem with my P180 when I had it) is that it is sometimes hard to cut it when you've spent so much on it. :P
I just installed the RC on a spare machine - cel 3.06 - 1GB DDR400 - 256MB Ati1950XT and after the first round of updates every bit of hardware is installed and working - that makes a nice change.... Anyone know much about the windows rating on Win 7 - is it directly comparable to Vistas? I noticed it goes up to 7.9 instead of 5.9 but are the sub 5.9s equivalent?
Main reason I'm asking is I'm sure I used to get 5.9 for 3D for gaming with that card under Vista 32 HP and it's "only" 5.7 under Win7 - but I'm also aware the mobo in the spare PC isn't as high spec a mobo as I had in my old 754 A64 3000 w 3GB DDR400.
Yes, I believe that 5.9 and below in 7 are comparable to Vista scores.
Not exactly. Sometimes, but HDDs got reworked. Might explain the drop.
