I'm going to get my feet wet...
First time water cooling a rig. Better to go with a kit, or buy seperate pieces?
Any guides out there that are really good in describing what I should buy (i.e. a parts list)? I looked, but most of what I see is some guy blogging and he's just as likely to get it wrong as right.
How much should I get cooled? I am going with just a Sandybridge processer and a single graphics card. maybe 8 Gig or so Ram. Do I need to water cool the memory as well, or just the cpu ang gpu? Mobo?
My goal is QQQQQUUUUUIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTT!
My current rig sounds like an airplane taking off. I would rather hear the soft gurggling of water over the loud din of a fan.
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if you are looking to watercool, you have several things to consider, the biggest one is cost, followed by space, if you have a HAF x you have more options than you would if you had say, a micro atx case. That being said. you need to find some way to get at least 240mm of radiator space inside, 360 is ideal, 480 might be okay, but it could just add extra noise and resistance. so my list would go like this
places to shop: Performance-pcs.com, jab-tech.com, and dangerden.com will be your friends.
Radiator, look for one you can fit in your case, my advice would be to get one with a lower FPI count, as it gives you less resistance and a lower noise level.
CPU block, get a DD block, i say that because DD is super helpful and will answer all your questions.
GPU block, get a full cover block, Dangerden again, as the blocks are low flow restriction.
Ram should be okay with minimal airflow
fans, get some good ones, you want low sound, look for some with a higher static pressure, xigmatec makes good quiet fans if you like them flashy
reservior, get one. they make life easier.
Pump, read some reviews, mounting is 90% of the battle, as you need to be careful about how you mount it so it wont buzz or rattle.
fittings. what size tubing do you need, i recommend 3/8 as 1/2 is thicker and a bit harder to work with, will you use barb fittings? or pay a little extra for compression fittings (much more leak proof)
Plan EVERYTHING out. dont forget that because you can fit 2 fans you wont necessarily be able to fit a radiator which has about an extra 1/4 inch on each side, and an extra 1.5 inches off the fitting side.
More specifics about your system would be helpful so we can help you to pick parts.
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you need to start off by answering a few questions first,
what's your budget?
do you want an internal setup or external?
since you want quiet you will want a rad with a low FPI (fins per inch) which do tend to cost a bit more then most, but you can get away with cheaper rads, will discuss more once you post your budget.
IMO and most, water cooling ram is the biggest waste of money and serves no purpose other then looks. i've yet to see any ram that performs better with water vs air.
what gpu do you have? so far on what you said you will need at least a triple 120mm for a low noise option and decent-good temps.
you can go with 3/8" or 1/2" ID tubing, though i prefer 7/16" as it's in the middle of the road. but it really doesn't matter.
in the mean time, have a look through these guides for more info, it will be needed.
http://overclockerstech.com/index.ph...ling&Itemid=88
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/25...rcooling-guide
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/s...d.php?t=631501 - though i personally take my blocks apart to inspect for anything.
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/s...d.php?t=643364
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diluzio91
or pay a little extra for compression fittings (much more leak proof)
False. a properly sized barb and gear/worm clamp are just as good if not better, and i would say better when it comes to leaks, or lack of. i can easily pull out my tubing from my properly sized compression fittings, but i can't with a barb and clamp.
all compression's offer is looks, and ease of use over barbs, and the last one is a bit of a stretch.
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Well, I don't have all the specifics yet. Haven't picked up the mobo as I am waiting for them to be available. getting the CPU after I find the right mobo. Also still in the market for a graphics card.
What I do know:
Case: Dragon Rider (Inwin). So, I should have plenty of space
Power: Seasonic X-850
Hard Drive: 1x WD Cavier Black (2 TB). May add a second.
Optical Drive: Forget which one. Blu-ray writer. May add a second space permitting.
Mobo: PROBABLY ASUS Maximus. Not 100% sure. Open to suggestions.
CPU: PROBABLY i7-2600K. Open to arguments, but prefer 2600 to 2400.
Memory: TBD. 8-16 GB.
GPU: TBD. Single card (not going to SLI or X-FIRE). Open to suggestions.
Also through in some assorting lighting maybe. I like flare.
Was thinking of a fan controller, or a pump controller in one of the 5 inch slots.
Also probably add an all-in-one reader / USB ports in one of the 5 inch slots
Budget: Meh. It costs what it costs. I would rather spend an extra $100 to do it right then spend $200 next year cause I did it wrong. However, I am not likely to pick out gold plated tubing for example. I'll gladly spend extra for a quality component but don't want to spend money that doesn't deliver me anything for it. I figured the entire system may cost about $1500-2K when complete. Only about $500 in I think.
Oh... should add, I do play games, so this sucker will have to do more then e-mail and surf.
And as I said, I like it to be a quiet as I can while still having the power to play games. My ideal system would be almost silent when surfing the web, but I am okay with it spinning up a bit when I am taxing it.
Ideally, everything would be internal if it can all fit. However, I am okay with external if needs must be so.
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Originally Posted by
Linias
Well, I don't have all the specifics yet. Haven't picked up the mobo as I am waiting for them to be available. getting the CPU after I find the right mobo. Also still in the market for a graphics card.
What I do know:
Case: Dragon Rider (Inwin). So, I should have plenty of space
Power: Seasonic X-850
Hard Drive: 1x WD Cavier Black (2 TB). May add a second.
Optical Drive: Forget which one. Blu-ray writer. May add a second space permitting.
Mobo: PROBABLY ASUS Maximum. Not 100% sure. Open to suggestions.
CPU: PROBABLY i7-2600K. Open to arguments, but prefer 2600 to 2400.
Memory: TBD. 8-16 GB.
GPU: TBD. Single card (not going to SLI or X-FIRE). Open to suggestions.
Also through in some assorting lighting maybe. I like flare.
Was thinking of a fan controller, or a pump controller in one of the 5 inch slots.
Also probably add an all-in-one reader / USB ports in one of the 5 inch slots
Budget: Meh. It costs what it costs. I would rather spend an extra $100 to do it right then spend $200 next year cause I did it wrong. However, I am not likely to pick out gold plated tubing for example. I'll gladly spend extra for a quality component but don't want to spend money that doesn't deliver me anything for it. I figured the entire system may cost about $1500-2K when complete. Only about $500 in I think.
to cool your setup (cpu and gpu) look to set aside about $400-$500 for all new stuff. if you get a full cover GPU block that will be at least $80-$120
since you seem to want to fill up your front drive bays, then a res/pump combo is likely a good choice for you.
here are some Excellent pumps and bay res's that you combine once you get the parts.
Dual loops
XSPC Acrylic Dual 5.25” Reservoir + 2x Swiftech MCP355
Single Loop
XSPC Acrylic Dual 5.25” Reservoir + Swiftech MCP355
XSPC Acrylic Dual 5.25” Reservoir + either pump below
Swiftech MCP655 Vario - adjustable speed and 1 speed faster then the basic
Swiftech MCP655 Basic - is equal to the vario on setting 4.
koolance has a new res which look's pretty sick though costs a pretty penny as well.
they have them For the MCP655/Laing D5
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What I would love to do, but is probably out of scope for this project (and is completely offtopic, and probably not even possible) is to have the thing be almost dark and silent when at low power like email or surfing, but have it start to turn on more lights and add in cooling as needed. You know, have it create the illussion of this ultra-powerful machine when it wants to bring all it's resources to bear, but when not needed will put parts of itself to sleep.
But as I said - that's off topic to the cooling system.
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Originally Posted by
Linias
What I would love to do, but is probably out of scope for this project (and is completely offtopic, and probably not even possible) is to have the thing be almost dark and silent when at low power like email or surfing, but have it start to turn on more lights and add in cooling as needed. You know, have it create the illussion of this ultra-powerful machine when it wants to bring all it's resources to bear, but when not needed will put parts of itself to sleep.
But as I said - that's off topic to the cooling system.
it is possible IMO but you would need to know how to mod alot of things. for example there is a bay device that let's you know your power supplies usage, but only up to 850watt power supplies. if you could find a way to tap into that reading and have it then adjust your fans speeds and light levels you could do as you said.
of use thermally adjusted fans and lighting so when the heat goes up it adjusts accordingly.
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Spawn-Inc
to cool your setup (cpu and gpu) look to set aside about $400-$500 for all new stuff. if you get a full cover GPU block that will be at least $80-$120
Roger that.
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Originally Posted by
Spawn-Inc
since you seem to want to fill up your front drive bays, then a res/pump combo is likely a good choice for you.
Yeah, I have been looking at some of those. Only concern is quality of the pump.
Regarding Dual / Single: Do I need a dual? Or is running Single in serial better? Better to do Pump->CPU->Rad->GPU->Rad->Res or better to have 2 going Pump->CPU->Rad->Res and Pump->GPU->Rad->Res?
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Spawn-Inc
koolance has a new res which look's pretty sick though costs a pretty penny as well.
they have them
For the MCP655/Laing D5
Like that one. Not out for 2 weeks, but than again my mobo probably wont be either. So maybe dual loops with differnt colors in each res / loop?
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Oh, and do I need to cool the motherboard as well? Or just CPU and GPU and leave the rest to the air fans?
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I believe with the sandy bridge there is no north bridge to cool but I could be wrong air should be sufficient even with overclocking...
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Linias
I would rather hear the soft gurggling of water over the loud din of a fan.
In a well designed, well bled, water loop, there shouldn't be any gurgling. ;)
The only reason you ever really need two pumps is if you have two loops. For loop arrangement, the best arrangement is pump->waterblock(s)->radiator(s)->reservoir(s)->pump.
For pump quality, the best you can get for DC pumps are the Laing models. The Swiftech MCP355 is just a rebranded Laing DDC-12, and the Swiftech MCP655 is just a rebranded Laing D5. So, sometimes you can get a rebrand cheaper than the original. However, if you do buy a rebranded Laing, make sure you know what version you are getting. The later versions of the Laing pumps push more volume and make less noise, but often the rebrands are working with older versions. So, there is sometimes a good reason why the original is more expensive.
Personally I like to water cool the NB/SB/etc, but it's not really necessary most of the time.
As someone else mentioned, with GPU's the best route is to use full-coverage waterblocks..unfortunately, that is also the most expensive route. Expect to spend a good $100-150 for a good full-coverage waterblock.
The biggest benefit of reservoirs is to provide a fluid buffer, which is most important while filling the loop and letting it bleed the air bubbles out of the system. They also make filling the loop much easier.
For the radiator(s), for your use, I would recommend the Black Ice SR-1 series. They're optimized for maximum thermal transfer with low-flow (read: quite) fans. It looks like you should be able to fit a 2x120, 2x140, or possibly 3x120 (with some case modification) in the top of the Dragon Rider. If you put your HDD(s) in the 5.35" bays, you could pull out the 3.5" racks and open up enough space for a single 120 or 140 rad. Like most cases, it looks like you probably would not be able to fit a rad in the case at the back fan location, but you could definitely put one on the outside, like I have on Zeus.
One other thing; especially since you're shooting for a silent system, don't be afraid to spend money on fans. It seems a bit ridiculous, but my setup when I had all three rads in it was the quietest system I had ever had, and yet had more fans than I had ever had in a single system before as well (8 120's and 6 140's). That is in no small part due to the fans that I put in it...fans that it freaks me out a bit to say, I spent about $170 on in total. :eek: For 120mm fans, I would go with the Xigmatec's that were reviewed on the frontpage a while back. They have the best CFM/dBA ratio I've ever seen for 120mm fans.
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Spawn-Inc
IMO and most, water cooling ram is the biggest waste of money
You forgot about HDD water cooling. ;)
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lol... for gfx, I would go for a high end card, like a 570, or 6970, as block makers concentrate on these cards first, i know some people may argue with this, but for nvidia cards, buy from evga if you intend to watercool, as they use refrence blocks, and still cover you under warranty, xfx is the same deal for ATI cards, although they have been messing with reference PCB's on some of their lower end cards. I can vouch for the xigmateck fans too, i have 4 of them in my system and they are quieter than my hard drives at ~80% (i use a fan speed controller) and the 1 non xigmateck fan could be heard above the 4 at the same speed. lol.
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Originally Posted by
Linias
Yeah, I have been looking at some of those. Only concern is quality of the pump.
Regarding Dual / Single: Do I need a dual? Or is running Single in serial better? Better to do Pump->CPU->Rad->GPU->Rad->Res or better to have 2 going Pump->CPU->Rad->Res and Pump->GPU->Rad->Res?
Like that one. Not out for 2 weeks, but than again my mobo probably wont be either. So maybe dual loops with differnt colors in each res / loop?
any of the swiftech pumps are very high quality and the best selling pumps/most widely used. and again any of the XSPC, current koolance res's, and bits power are all great products.
dual and single loops are up to you and how you want it to look really. but for what your running single is plenty fine. main thing is having enough rad space to cool it all.
loop order makes no difference, route the tubing so it's as short as possible without having sharp turns or kinks in the tubing. so res>pump>rad(s)>block(s) is my normal routing, otherwise change it how ever pending the location of parts in your case. just put the res before the pump.
i strongly recommend not using any dye's in your loop as they have a tendency to break down and clog various parts in your loop. they also can stain the tubing. the best coolant currently is Distilled water and a biocide like .999 silver (can be plated fittings or silver strips, or kill coils) or PT nuke PHN.
if your after colouring use coloured tubing or lighting.
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diluzio91
great loop, though i would opt for a better cpu block, eg Swiftech XT, EK supreme HF (non-nickel finish due to all the issues going on with ek), koolance 360, XSPC Rasa. DD while a great company seems to have fallen behind on the cpu block. not to say that won't work, there are just better ones out for the same cost or more.
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This kit is working great for me, and wouldn't be a bad starting point. It would get the basics out of the way, and you would just need to pick a GPU block.
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The same can be said for this kit for me.
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thank you all for the great replies!!!
