Need a place to put thoughts for build

going to start this thread to put thoughts for my laptop build- current name hydro6000. As the name implies, it will hopefully be a water cooled DV6000 laptop when everything is said and done. A lot of the information is/will be moved from the now way off subject motherboard replacement - DV6000 post in the laptop section. This is starting to take shape but still need parts, plan, money and hopefully some input from the group here.

Quick overview to get those reading up to speed:
1. DV6000 motherboard was replaced with "upgraded model"
2. Still risking overheating and burning up chips/board
3. Working on custom copper block for CPU/CHP, and GPU to completely replace oem hs/f
4. Will most likely be WC this, hopefully more for the wow factor then necessity.
5. Stuck on cooler pad. I have found a couple good candidates but stuck on some of the hows, whats, and wheres of building/modifying.

Current parts list of on hand, need to get, and would like to get

On Hand:
DV6000
2x Waterblocks (in transit)
1x copper block (soon to be 2 blocks)

Need to get:
water pump 12v 72L/Hr
radiator
80mm fan
cooler pad (modded or built)
2nd power supply

Would like to get:
reservoir (still optional)
speakers (Dell AS501 or AX510 at this point)
speaker amp (for a mini subwoofer FA607 from qkits)
mini subwoofer
higher capacity battery/s
Secondary battery for cooler pad parts

If it's preferred I put all the pics up instead of links, please let me know.
I think this covers the majority of it for now. I'm sure ill be adding to this shortly though.

Outlaw

Couldn't you make your own cooler pad with alumimum or acrylic? Might bring down the cost for you and make this project that much more custom.

The building part would be ideal as I have run through it probably dozens of times in my head, the big part stopping me from doing that is tools and work space. The cooler pads considered were $25-$90 and would still need some modification.

I was thinking of posting in the service wanted to see if someone could at least make me the frame section. built from modders mesh would be preferred. I just don't have anything to correctly bend it to suit unless I missed something on tool less bending.

Approx dimensions needed.
16-16.5" wide
12-12.5" deep
2.4" MIN front, 2.5-3" rear

Using a 19x19" sheet, this would give me the front, top, rear, and a lip on the sides and bottom for mounting another sheet of metal and some acrylic to the sides.

In the end, the goal is to fit as much of the equipment into the cooler pad.

do you have a piece of wood, some C-Clamps and a torch? you could bend it your self. Actually if you wanted it rounded you could use a pipe and a rubber mallet. Modders mesh bends super easy. You could use a 1/8" thick alumimum strip to go under the edges of the modders mesh to give you a type of frame.

The only torch on hand isn't really a torch by my definition. Its a butane torch/soldering iron. The soldering iron "adapter" comes off and exposes a "torch" capable of up to 2400* per the box.

I do not have any C-Clamps or a piece of wood usable in this application.

I would have go to my dads about 20miles away on a good day who has most of this.

How easy is "super easy". lol

For bending the mesh, is there a recommended way to get tight corners close to each other? Or is that what the wood and C-Clamp is for? and why size wood? I think my dad mostly has 2x4 from previous home projects he's done.

Do you think the mesh would be strong enough on it's own?

If I were to get a couple clamps, I may be able to use our counter top, lol although the wife probably wouldn't care for it too much.

Thanks for the info
Outlaw


*edit*
found some angle aluminum. 1/8"- http://www.amazon.com/Steelworks-Bol.../dp/B000PXSJA0

It wouldn't have to be that exact one as I wouldn't need 8ft but would that be better to make the frame out of as it would give more support? Also, what is preferred for cutting it?

if your using the dense modders mesh it is strong but probably not strong enough to hold something.

Its easy as clamping it down with a piece of 2x4 thats longer than your mesh and hammering it down to a right angle on some type of edge with a rubber mallet. If you have a porch, your cement steps would also work instead of a counter top. (IF they have a nice 90 degree edge.)

Ok, good to know with the mesh. I will just have to find a good sheet to get and some angle aluminum.

Also, based on the info, I will most like have to paint as well.

Here's another radiator option that might be more appropriate.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11..._Radiator.html

I was actually considering that just because of the size but I wasn't sure how efficient it is and what the wattage it could handle. I was also discouraged because of the limited fan choice and high price for minimal cfm. Plus 4000rpm for upto 8cfm didn't seem to quite. lol maybe i missed the good fans though.

I asked over at overclock and they recommended against it. Any reviews on it?

The 3/8" barbs on it means I would need reducers as well which isn't all bad but an additional cost. Unless I change the pump I was looking at and purchase 3/8" barbs.

Thanks

Anyone know of a good set of portable speakers? Similar to size of the dells I referenced above. AS501 or AX510

Dimensions:
58(H)x340(W)x58(D)mm
2.28x13.39x2.28inch

If I am able to make the cooler pad, this would get mounted into the front. And also if the mini sub is possible, this would be mounted facing up somewhere under the laptop itself.

Happy Thanksgiving!
Outlaw

I'd recommend the Labtec LCS-600 speakers; however, they are hard to find and come by.

Looks like some are on ebay. How do you think they would sound out of enclosure? OR relocated to a project box to fit into my cooler pad?

If they are as good as the frequency response says, I wouldn't need a mini-sub.

*edit*
While searching. Look for Labtec Spin 60, I found that is the same as the LCS-600

I don't know how they sound out of their enclosure; I do know that they're 8 ohm, 3 watt, 6 volt, speakers.


Awesome bass, though. For portable speakers.



Once I get my soldering done, I'll upload pix and a vid.


*Looks like those Spin speakers are headset ready.

**UK eBay link:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Labtec-PC-...39559846704157

Thanks for the info!

These would fit into the pad somewhere, perferably the front as this will mostly be used on a desk of some sort. I will get a paint pic of what I am ultimately trying to accomplish.

Thanks!
Outlaw

You're welcome.


The Spin uses 2.5W speakers.
(Cnet)




No wonder why the 600 has so good of sound. 6 watt portable speaker set.
(3w speakers *2 vs 2.5W *2)


[rambling]
W=V*A
6=6*A
1=A
So, if you were to use a brick, you'd need a 6V, 1A brick.
[/rambling]




I must also say, the right speaker isn't fixed to the MoBo; soldering for extensions is accepted.

lol, yeah, surprisingly they have good specs. When I seen them, I was like are you seriously recommending these? Then I seen the response and wattage and was like, thats not too bad. lol

Not sure if the spacing in your post was for pictures, but my work as blocked them if so.

The housing would definitely get pulled apart and somehow crammed into the pad... just need to make a cooler pad. lol

Thanks again.

For 10-year-old speakz? Yeah, not too bad.

No pictures; big gaps for me means lots of thinking, suspense.

Haha, ok, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. lol

*edit*
Also noticed the battery was a huge source of the overheating.
13min into a standard definition movie is only about 55C at 800mhz. With battery, it would be about 70-75C.
At 2.1Ghz, it slowly raised to 70C and was still climbing when I put it back to power save.

With a junk battery, I can just leave it out and use the space for extra hardware or replace with the 8800mah battery... hmm.

*edit 2*
Here is a very rough idea of what I was looking to put into the cooler. For reference, I put the pump in there but if room provides, I will put in the location of the fan in the laptop. Obviously not to scale. The asterisk is the pump which may or may not be in the cooler. The mini sub is optional if I can find a good set of speakers that will work in the pad.

Well, I think I might look for a good soundbar and try using the sub i found at my dads. Its from a CA 4100 4.1 system. It is a 45W total. Since its free and the

SPECIFICATIONs -----------------------------------POWER OUTPUT - 45 watts total Satellites: 6 watts x 4 Subwoofer : 21 wattsDRIVERS - Satellites: 2.5" high efficiency 4 ohm radiators Subwoofer : 4" poly carbon high excursion driver Ported wood enclosed cabinetFREQUENCY RESPONSE- 35Hz

You know, I just realized that I got two HP batteries collecting dust.

Both HSTNN-DB17.


Both lightly used, but haven't been used in 2+ years, since both laptops that used them are toast.

Looks like the same battery I have that is currently a paper weight. If they are good, I think they could be used in the cooler pad in series to increase the overall capacity.

a pm has been sent.

I'd have to ask my brother, though, as they are his batteries.

PS: PM did not go through.

Ok, cool.

Lol, sorry, I just sent the pm.


*update*
As I sit at my desk. I realize I could pull apart my 2.1 7W but they are already mediocre in their oe enclosure.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16836183037

*update 2*
After playing with VLC (which I can't get to save the eq settings) and Windows sound I found some audio settings. Using the Speaker properties, you can set "enhancements", bass boost, virtual surround, room correction, loudness equalization. Turning on the bass boost with a +24dB and a cutoff at 50Hz, this eagle 2.1 came to life in the low end. I know its not saying much but the rumble of the tackles in Waterboy have some depth to it and my desk rumbles a little now. I still have the heat issues and wasn't able to test an hd with dts sound though. Overall, if the 21w sub works anything like this setup, I will be quite happy.

I have speakers on its way. I won 2 "new" Dell AS501 Sound bars for 20.50 shipped.

Anyone have info on the XSPC X2O 200 Single Bay Reservoir/Pump Combo?
I read a lot of mixed reviews. Seems the biggest issue is that people don't fill the res completely and/or the pump is too powerful for the small res and will cause a "funnel" and suck in air which causes excess noise from the pump.

I can get one slightly less then the online retailers are selling for. It's listed as "new" and comes with the silver and black bezel.


*update*
Scratch that, i found one for 38+shipping from sidewinder computers. Still not sure on quality but would be a perfect combo for this build.

Also, I found the screw info I need. I need PM2.5mm x ~10mm. The OE screws for the OE HS is PM2.5mm x 5mm. I will either need a washer 6-8mm in diameter or a screw with a head 6-8mm diameter. To know 100%, I will have to wait until I get the new block which will be shaved down from the soldering and to make it flat again. original thickness was 1/4" (6.35mm). Im guessing it will still be at least 4mm + original 5mm depth +the block doesn't have give like the original mounting.

Update to the parts list.

Today:
Received both waterblocks with 1/4" barbs
Picked up 10' of 1/4" ID (3/8" OD) Tubing
Picked up 8' of 1/16"x1/2"x1/2" angle aluminum

Total parts on hand or in route:
2x Water Blocks
2x Copper Blocks
1x 10' Tubing
1x 8' angle aluminum
1x AS501 speakers
1x 3" 21W Subwoofer
80mm fan

Still need to get:
Mesh
Acrylic (still in debate. used for sides)
U channel aluminum 1/16"
Screws M2.5mm
12v adapter for pump and accessories
Pump/Res Combo

:( update

Looks like I can't use the CA-4100 subwoofer board and speaker. I was hoping to maybe get away with slightly "modding" the board to work with an input and power source only. I think the volume controls in the right speaker which go through the sub are going to prevent me from using it. Also, I don't think I have the power adapter anymore and tried 2 different 12v adapters. One gave off a horrible pulsing noise, the other nothing.

IIRC, the pulsing from speakers means the polarity of the power adapter is reversed.

hm. good to know. Didn't realize they did that with them. thought there was maybe some standardization but that would just be silly. That means the one that just did nothing was probably the right polarity but not enough amperage. It was just a external hdd adapter.

Thanks, I'll have to look out for another adapter then.
Outlaw

update

Got the 2x AS501 today. Must say, I am impressed with them.

I've got a dual bay res with the 655 internal pump mount from xspc, and it's nice! only problem I have is that it's a bit too small for the bays, so it wiggles a bit, but other than that I haven't had any issues

Thanks for the confidence boost in the product. now i have to get the funds. xmas shopping from the wife kinda took care of that. lol

Thanks,
Outlaw

update.

Got the chopped up block back.

I may not need the block on the right if I am able to go water because the water block is plenty big and plenty heavy.

Just have to find the screws to hold these on now.

update-
The larger block was quite a bit off from the heating/cooling of the heatpipe. Lots of sanding took place today.

update 2-
Got the blocks installed in temporary form and the idle temps of the CPU are about 39/40c in the ~10min its been running. GPU is at 49c. idle 800mhz

upto 52c GPU, 42c CPU 800mhz

bumped to high perf setting at 2.1Ghz
52c GPU, 45c CPU 2.1Ghz 1min
55c GPU, 67c CPU 2.1Ghz 5min

Get that mirror finish!

Oh I got it. lol. that big block was ridiculously concave. I ran out of sandpaper. lol

I am happy that the blocks at least fit. Unfortunately, it wasn't enough to keep them cool. The GPU mounts are just far enough, I can get a cross bracket and secure it. The CPU is going to be a littly trickier at least with the blocks I have as the screws are too close together.

I'll get some pics up later of it mounted.


Update
Some pics

Motherboard with copper blocks only.

Only way for CPU water block to sit on copper block. May have to look at replacing this block.

GPU water block. You can see it would be a really tight fit but doable as the screws would come down the sides and not really interfere. This block/setup would be OK.

I might have to get the CHC-120
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...product_id=393

Unfortunately this is now put on hold until the new year. :(

Not too long now.

Don't be terribly bummed.

Just sucks I have to wait, I really want to see if there is a decent gaming difference from the old setup and be able to use it to it's full/max potential. lol BUT looking at the cost of the waterblock/s needed ($30ea) plus the pump and rad, it still wont be cheap but hopefully cool looking. lol

I guess we'll see next yr.
Outlaw

It's "next year" now, keep working!

:stupid: