Stonerboy, that is a very interesting hinge you have pictured there, I have been considering several different cabinet hinges but I had not really thought about going for a full 180 degree hinge. I just measured the area next to the desk, there is just enough room for the lid to completely flip I have about 1/2 an inch to spare so thats def. a option. Fuganater I have been planning on using a L brace like that since the get go (PC builders think alike ) those ones look like exactly what I need. Thanks for the link!