The Canyon That God Built?

[Slug Toy]

alright i found this through the grapevine obviously because im into geology. i just cant let this one slide. check it out.

http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=801

so im all for freedom of speech, thought, belief, and all that jazz. this, however, is beyond anything sensible. this is beliefs being imposed on others, and worst of all its by government officials. what happened to separation of church and state?

what really gets me is the fact that a book was written stating that Noah's Flood made the grand canyon. someone who knows the bible help me out here... if im not mistaken, Noah didnt make the flood, he just survived it, and supposedly made a nice little boat to do that which was named after him (dont even get me started on that one... the sheer mass of all the animals on that boat is insane... at least 5 tons of beetles alone). not to mention the erosional forces involved in this. it rains for longer periods of time in certain places of the world, and you dont see canyons popping up everywhere... it just CANT happen in 40 days and 40 nights... water doesnt have that much power in it. if it did... all the land in the world would have been worn down to sand by now and ill bet there actually wouldnt be any land left.

anyways... i dont know about you guys, but i find this sickening. i dont do much protesting, but this has got me amazed and angry. theres just something about being told what to believe that doesnt agree with me... oh ya, thats because its WRONG!

[CanaBalistic]

Another thing that caught my attention is the fact that during the time of noah, north america hadnt even been discovered yet.


P.S. Noah's flood was an pre ice age melting of the polar caps resulting in raised sea levels. That much is clear.

[DaJe]

Speaking of North America being discovered. One thing I've always wondered, is during the time when all of the Bible stuff was going on, what was happening in the other parts of the world? Such as North America. There were still people there when all of this stuff was supposed to be happening. What about them?

[Drac998]

Speaking of North America being discovered. One thing I've always wondered, is during the time when all of the Bible stuff was going on, what was happening in the other parts of the world? Such as North America. There were still people there when all of this stuff was supposed to be happening. What about them?

Sshhh don't let it out that other people existed on the entire planet during that time.

[CanaBalistic]

The flood was inevitable. We've had about 6 ice ages that we know of. I dont think it would take to much to determin from records that another one was on its way.

Another misconception is that if the ice caps melted that there would only be a hand full of mountain peeks above water. Epic flood anyone? Actually it isnt true, The ocean levels would only rise about 80ft or so. It would be a real hasstle and would displace billions of people but there would still be lots of land.

On another note:
If any of you want to learn about global warming, Look for Al Gore's movie "The Inconvient Truth"

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SnowFire:
You cant prove science any more than you can prove god. There was a time when scientists believed the earth was flat. That was disproved, so can anything we NOW believe to be true.

[DaJe]

Wait, what happened to that other post that was above Cana-Balsitic's?

[Durrthock]

Can someone just lock this before someone gets into a Religion vs science argurment

[Slug Toy]

i dont think that is going to happen. i hope it doesnt, because i didnt intend for this thread to get out of control. if i see it getting messed up ill do something about it.

[d_stilgar]

First thing, it being God's flood when they call it Noah's flood is a matter of semantics.

Second, it has recently been proven that Noah could, in fact, have been able to build a boat capable of holding all the creatures of the earth. He would have room to hold two of all the non-edible kind and eight of the food kind.

Third, the last major ice age predates modern humans. We came later, and so did Noah. The flood of Noah's day, the one that geologists are saying carved the grand canyon, was caused by something else.

Fourth, water has incredible power. A water jet can cut one inch+ thick metal. Surely billions of gallons of water flowing over the land could carve out a canyon. Certainly there are some rocks that will last longer than others when punished in the same way, and I'm not a scientist, but scientists have gone to school, done their research, and have come to a conclusion based that school and research. For a bunch of computer enthusiasts to argue it in a computer forum is a little silly.

Finally, odds are that the geologists use the term "Noah's flood" as a way of dating when the canyon was carved that most people in the US will relate to, and are not trying to say that Noah existed and that Christianity is the truth that all must embrace.

[nil8]

Creationism has been proven wrong time and time again. It has no place in any realm of science. Theology isn't science.

As for this specific topic, to anyone who knows small parts of geology understands that the minerals the grand canyon is made out of can't be cut by massive flooding or ice drift. Neither can do such a deep cut in a short period of time on such hard material.

There are modeled experiments that can be done to show how the grand canyon was formed. Just like there are experiments to show how natural selection works to fuel evolution. There are scientific ways to debunk bull****, which is what this is.

This is what happens when you have fundamentalists running the show. It's there way or heresy.

"Geysers of Old Faithful: Nostrils of Satan" HAHA. I want to see that book. That would be a good laugh.