Login:
Pass:
Forgotten Pass?
Forums
Forum Home
Search
Today's Posts
Members List
Calendar




Search
Google
Search TBCS
Search the Web


Follow Us On




Go Back   TBCS Community Forums > Mod Talk > Tips, Tricks, and Tutorials > General Tips Tricks & Tutorials


Welcome to the TBCS Community Forums forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.
Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 05-18-2010, 09:53 PM
Kayin's Avatar
Kayin Kayin is offline
Posts: 1,921
One Eye, Sixteen Cores.
 
Kayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder Supreme
My System
Default Lapping Your Processor For Fun and Profit!


So, I realized the other day my i7 is WAYYYY too hot. Like idles at 50 hot. So, being the intrepid soul I am, I decided to check its flatness. Warning:pics can be scary. Do not allow children under 18 to view.


You can see here the processor is actually proud in the center...


And that it extends all the way across in one direction. Machine skipped?

So, I've applied TIM to get a footprint test-it's not the normal way to check, but it gives better results than anything else I know. Sorry, Lumiere...


And here's the lapping glass in place. Not only is it perfectly flat, but it weighs as much as the average aftermarket heatsink, as well. Note the thick bond, air is squeezed out but there's too much TIM in the center-it's sitting around that crown.


Still, the TIM joint is far too thick-the glass rests on the high spot.


In this shot, the fractal pattern around the center indicates the area of greatest contact-in the center only. It's interesting to note the amount of area that never made contact...

So what's a guy to do? Lap, of course. We'll get rid of that high spot in no time flat. (Pun intended.)


Our tools assembled, we set to work. We have...


A CPU. If you're going to lap a CPU you kinda need one.


A sheet of glass. Mine is actually lapping glass, it's as flat as engineers can make it, but almost all glass is float glass today, which will be pretty much perfect.


Tape. I use 3M's top line stuff, but anything that pulls off clean will work.


And sandpaper. Once again, 3M, but be sure it's wet/dry sandpaper. You'll need to wet the processor to make sure the copper dust floats off instead of loads the paper.


Tape your paper to the glass. This will stop it from sliding around as much.

At this point, put a few drops of water down and start sanding. Also, you may wanna start a movie.

A few words on sandpapers and lapping-starting with 600 will remove metal fast, but you'll end up going through 800, 1000, 1500, and 2000 to get them out. As all I had was 1000 and 2000, it goes slow, but makes very flat CPUs anyway.


As you can see, the first area to lose metal is the center.










So reflective, it focused on the background...








Ready to move on...






And done. Took a few hours, a lot of elbow grease, and patience. But, as you can see, it looks much better.

Remember your processor is a sealed unit, and don't be afraid to put some water down or wash it clean. Both are important steps.

Questions, comments, flames, you know where to leave them. I have more testing to do.
__________________
Project:Mithril, sponsored by Petra's Tech Shop and Sidewinder Computers-MOTM Nominee October '08



Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-18-2010, 10:30 PM
diluzio91's Avatar
diluzio91 diluzio91 is offline
Posts: 2,426
rawrnomnom
 
diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.
My System
Default Re: Lapping Your Processor For Fun and Profit!

what are the temps now?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twigsoffury View Post
want to know a secret?

When your build a brand new computer, You can't place the side back on the case before powering it up or it won't work.

Leave the side off and it's first turn on works perfectly.

Put the side on and its a 45 minute battle getting it to post.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-19-2010, 02:07 AM
blueonblack's Avatar
blueonblack blueonblack is online now
Posts: 2,400
Stupidity feeds my children
 
blueonblack might just be god.blueonblack might just be god.blueonblack might just be god.blueonblack might just be god.blueonblack might just be god.blueonblack might just be god.blueonblack might just be god.blueonblack might just be god.blueonblack might just be god.blueonblack might just be god.blueonblack might just be god.
My System
Default Re: Lapping Your Processor For Fun and Profit!

What he said. /\

Also, I'm curious as to why it takes hours? I've never lapped a CPU but I've done my share of sanding and polishing, with wood acrylic and metal, and I can't figure why it would take that long. What am I missing? Are the IHS on a processor made of adamantium?
__________________
When you're lying on your deathbed looking back at your life, which will you regret most?

The things that you did?

Or the things that you didn't do?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-19-2010, 02:33 AM
BuzzKillington's Avatar
BuzzKillington BuzzKillington is offline
Posts: 2,489
Custom Title Honors
 
BuzzKillington might just be god.BuzzKillington might just be god.BuzzKillington might just be god.BuzzKillington might just be god.BuzzKillington might just be god.BuzzKillington might just be god.BuzzKillington might just be god.BuzzKillington might just be god.BuzzKillington might just be god.BuzzKillington might just be god.BuzzKillington might just be god.
My System
Default Re: Lapping Your Processor For Fun and Profit!

Very nice tutorial. Also interested in your temps now. Also, as a final touch I'd try undervolting.
__________________
PS3: CaptBuzzCooler
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-19-2010, 02:39 AM
diluzio91's Avatar
diluzio91 diluzio91 is offline
Posts: 2,426
rawrnomnom
 
diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.diluzio91 knows almost everything about modding.
My System
Default Re: Lapping Your Processor For Fun and Profit!

Quote:
Originally Posted by blueonblack View Post
What he said. /\

Also, I'm curious as to why it takes hours? I've never lapped a CPU but I've done my share of sanding and polishing, with wood acrylic and metal, and I can't figure why it would take that long. What am I missing? Are the IHS on a processor made of adamantium?
from what ive read the hours part is due to the excruciatingly slow speed you have to lap at/how lightly you have to press to keep the surface even? also multiple grits have something to do too to make it as smooth as possible... Havnt had to lap a cpu either, but thats my educated guess
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twigsoffury View Post
want to know a secret?

When your build a brand new computer, You can't place the side back on the case before powering it up or it won't work.

Leave the side off and it's first turn on works perfectly.

Put the side on and its a 45 minute battle getting it to post.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-19-2010, 12:04 PM
Kayin's Avatar
Kayin Kayin is offline
Posts: 1,921
One Eye, Sixteen Cores.
 
Kayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder SupremeKayin Modder Supreme
My System
Default Re: Lapping Your Processor For Fun and Profit!

You got it in one. Little pressure, high grits and patience produce a VERY nice end product, lower grits and muscle can do much the same but the finish isn't the same. We're going for engineer-quality flatness, not pretty. I'll take the time to do it right rather than have temps be worse than they were before.

As to temps, I'm still sorting things with the cooler I'm reviewing. The cooler may well be bad, as well. We've seen some inconsistencies thus far, and I'd like to investigate them further.
__________________
Project:Mithril, sponsored by Petra's Tech Shop and Sidewinder Computers-MOTM Nominee October '08



Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-19-2010, 12:51 PM
x88x's Avatar
x88x x88x is offline
Posts: 6,224
Will YOU be ready when the zombies rise?
 
x88x might just be god.x88x might just be god.x88x might just be god.x88x might just be god.x88x might just be god.x88x might just be god.x88x might just be god.x88x might just be god.x88x might just be god.x88x might just be god.x88x might just be god.
My System
Default Re: Lapping Your Processor For Fun and Profit!

Hmmm, this makes me wonder about my own CPU...I haven't been able to pull its idle temps under the mid 50's, and with my cooling system there's no reason for that. I already lapped the block a while ago, I think while I have the system apart anyways that I'll go ahead an lap the CPU as well. I've just always been paranoid about it...it's a lot cheaper to replace a $50 block or HS/F than a $300 CPU.. /crosses fingers
__________________
Quote:
That we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously.
--Benjamin Franklin
TBCS 5TB Club :: coilgun :: bench PSU :: mightyMite :: Zeus :: E15 Magna EV
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-21-2010, 04:45 PM
LiTHiUM0XiD3's Avatar
LiTHiUM0XiD3 LiTHiUM0XiD3 is offline
Posts: 984
Console God
 
LiTHiUM0XiD3 knows almost everything about modding.LiTHiUM0XiD3 knows almost everything about modding.LiTHiUM0XiD3 knows almost everything about modding.LiTHiUM0XiD3 knows almost everything about modding.LiTHiUM0XiD3 knows almost everything about modding.LiTHiUM0XiD3 knows almost everything about modding.LiTHiUM0XiD3 knows almost everything about modding.LiTHiUM0XiD3 knows almost everything about modding.LiTHiUM0XiD3 knows almost everything about modding.
My System
Default Re: Lapping Your Processor For Fun and Profit!

x88x... just take it rly light man..... dont put any pressure on it.. period... let the weight of the cpu do its own work.... just move it back and forth
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by nevermind1534 View Post
I wouldn't be surprised if somebody sigquotes part of this.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-23-2010, 10:21 AM
mDust's Avatar
mDust mDust is offline
Posts: 1,639
Mentally Underclocked
 
mDust knows almost everything about modding.mDust knows almost everything about modding.mDust knows almost everything about modding.mDust knows almost everything about modding.mDust knows almost everything about modding.mDust knows almost everything about modding.mDust knows almost everything about modding.mDust knows almost everything about modding.
My System
Default Re: Lapping Your Processor For Fun and Profit!

Nice job! Informative, entertaining, and well photo-documented.

I started getting nervous when I did my q6600 because I'd taken off so much metal that I decided to stop. Although it's flat, it doesn't look as good as this because I didn't get all the aluminum off. It's sort of an ugly swirl of the two colors even though it's an uninterrupted mirror finish. How thick is the typical IHS? The last thing I wanted to do was see silicon dust on the paper...
Anywho, this takes millions of strokes due to not putting any pressure on it. That's why it takes so long. It really depends on how untrue the IHS is in the first place. From online discussion and my own experience, 1-3 hours is pretty standard. Since Intel decided to get artistic and made my IHS in a wave-ripple pattern, mine took several hours as well.
__________________
I'll procrastinate tomorrow.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-30-2010, 09:25 PM
Spawn-Inc's Avatar
Spawn-Inc Spawn-Inc is offline
Posts: 4,100
.
 
Spawn-Inc might just be god.Spawn-Inc might just be god.Spawn-Inc might just be god.Spawn-Inc might just be god.Spawn-Inc might just be god.Spawn-Inc might just be god.Spawn-Inc might just be god.Spawn-Inc might just be god.Spawn-Inc might just be god.Spawn-Inc might just be god.Spawn-Inc might just be god.
My System
Default Re: Lapping Your Processor For Fun and Profit!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mDust View Post
Nice job! Informative, entertaining, and well photo-documented.

I started getting nervous when I did my q6600 because I'd taken off so much metal that I decided to stop. Although it's flat, it doesn't look as good as this because I didn't get all the aluminum off. It's sort of an ugly swirl of the two colors even though it's an uninterrupted mirror finish. How thick is the typical IHS? The last thing I wanted to do was see silicon dust on the paper...
Anywho, this takes millions of strokes due to not putting any pressure on it. That's why it takes so long. It really depends on how untrue the IHS is in the first place. From online discussion and my own experience, 1-3 hours is pretty standard. Since Intel decided to get artistic and made my IHS in a wave-ripple pattern, mine took several hours as well.
about a the thickness of a dime, so you have plenty of metal to keep going.
__________________
CPU: Core2Quad q6600 G0 3.5GHz@1.4v (highest so far 4.2GHz)
GPU: XFX 9800GTX @ 820/1220
Ram: Samsung 4GB (4x1GB) 700MHz PC5300
Mobo: EVGA-NF68-A1 680i (P31)
PSU: Enermax Galaxy 850Watt DxX
HDD: OCZ 60GB Vertex, WD5001AALS, WD10EARS, ST3500320AS
DVD: LG H26N,LG GH20LS10 both sata
CPU & GPU: 3x Swiftech MCR320, 2x MCP655, MCW60 R2, Dtek Fuzion V2, 18 high speed yates @ 5v
3Dmark06:17383, AquaMark:187,403
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Translate This Page

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
thebestcasescenario.com