Intellectual Property...thoughts?

[dr.walrus]

@Dr. Walrus - you do realize that there is no such thing as free healthcare don't you? that those of us who work are forced to pay for it for those who don't work. which comes back to why communism and socialism won't work.

OMG really? It comes from taxes?!?! Using that definition of 'free' means that 'free' doesn't exist. I don't hold with that definition of terms.

I have worked and paid towards my healthcare since my mid teens - I believe that this should be absorbed into our tax burden and health care should never be denied to anyone. The rich are more than welcome to have their own hospitals that they pay for. I don't believe the poor and those who do not work should be sentenced to die from preventable diseases! If that makes me a radical thinker then, jesus, count me in.

So what about 'free' schools? That's, strictly, just as socialist as government healthcare...

[dr.walrus]

oh and there I go derailing a thead again. Sorry x88x.

[xr4man]

OMG really? It comes from taxes?!?! Using that definition of 'free' means that 'free' doesn't exist. I don't hold with that definition of terms.

I have worked and paid towards my healthcare since my mid teens - I believe that this should be absorbed into our tax burden and health care should never be denied to anyone. The rich are more than welcome to have their own hospitals that they pay for. I don't believe the poor and those who do not work should be sentenced to die from preventable diseases! If that makes me a radical thinker then, jesus, count me in.

So what about 'free' schools? That's, strictly, just as socialist as government healthcare...

touche.



the difference though, is that with one, you are giving a man a fish and with the other you are teaching the man how to fish.

[RogueOpportunist]

touche.



the difference though, is that with one, you are giving a man a fish and with the other you are teaching the man how to fish.

So what you're saying is that to solve the health-care issue, instead of paying for the healthcare system that made many of the rich rich to begin with, the rich should pay for the schooling to make all the working class into doctors?

If teaching us about fish is the name of the game, I'll see you all in gynecological studies 101!

[xr4man]

no, that's not what i'm saying. what i'm saying is that i have worked hard to get where i am now and a lot of the "rich" have worked to build up their massive fortunes too (excluding those who inherited it). i'm also not saying that the former healthcare system wasn't broke, but my point is, that if you go to school and learn how to do something, then you can get a job where you can afford some form of healthcare. i'm all for affordable healthcare, but not for giving it away to some lazy f*ck that thinks he or she deserves it because the world owes them something, and especially not when i'm paying for mine and theirs.

[x88x]

i'm all for affordable healthcare, but not for giving it away to some lazy f*ck that thinks he or she deserves it because the world owes them something, and especially not when i'm paying for mine and theirs.

I guarantee you, that same "lazy f*ck" also benefited from the tax-supported schools, what with our mandatory education laws. Point being, the argument is just as valid for both. Education isn't going to make someone want to work if they don't want to already. And if they want to work, they're going to be doing so whether they had that education or not. They'll just be much more likely to earn more if they are educated.

[AmEv]

So, free as in health care...?

[xr4man]

I guarantee you, that same "lazy f*ck" also benefited from the tax-supported schools, what with our mandatory education laws. Point being, the argument is just as valid for both. Education isn't going to make someone want to work if they don't want to already. And if they want to work, they're going to be doing so whether they had that education or not. They'll just be much more likely to earn more if they are educated.

that's just it. give them the opportunity to better themselves. if hey still don't want to, then screw em. people are more inclined to help someone out that is willing to do something on their own. it all comes down to the choice you make. if you choose not to be a contributing factor to society, then why should the rest of society be burdened with taking care of you? on the other hand though, if someone had circumstances beyond their control, then i have no problem with my hard earned tax dollars going to help them out.

[dr.walrus]

So what you're saying is that to solve the health-care issue, instead of paying for the healthcare system that made many of the rich rich to begin with, the rich should pay for the schooling to make all the working class into doctors?

...well, to a certain extent, they already do.

[dr.walrus]

i'm all for affordable healthcare, but not for giving it away to some lazy f*ck that thinks he or she deserves it because the world owes them something, and especially not when i'm paying for mine and theirs.

Without state provided healthcare, more poor people die. That's a fact.

I don't think a poor work ethic should condemn people to death, nope. And I'll go to the grave thinking that.